My .XXX post to ICANN

[FightThisPatent]

My post to ICANN. Post your own by emailing to: [email protected]

posts show up at: http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/


subject: Reasons why .XXX TLD is a good idea



With all the overwhelming posts rejecting the .XXX domain, I thought it
might be good to have some voice of reason, some clarity as to why .XXX is a
good idea.


The .XXX TLD will open up the domain namespace.
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Right now, websites have to be clever in creating new porn domains,
concatenating words together, making them longer until they can find one
that isn't taken. These longer names are harder to remember and longer to
type.

A urine fetish website can now get yellow.XXX that previously before .XXX,
only a yellow pages website had the name.

More and more porn sites can now open up, going for the names that were
long-lost in the .COM namespace.

There could be Muslim.XXX for Muslim specific sex preferences.
Christian.XXX could be a porn site for the type that go to strip clubs on
Saturday night, and church on Sunday morning.



A .XXX extension will be an easy to spot warning for kids to stay away
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When kids see the .XXX extension in a search result, their proper upbringing
and parental guidance will be fully tested as the child will know not to
even click on the link, for fear that mom would be watching and they would
get less Christmas presents because Santa knew they were being naughty at
looking at naughty websites. Those big warning messages about adult content
and being over 18 to enter are just not clear enough for kids. Kids
identify with characters like in cartoons, not lengthy legalese statements.
.XXX would be like a cartoon character that tells them to be good boys and
girls and to stay away because only big boys and girls should be looking in
there.



.XXX will stop the porn .COM websites
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Filtering software will be able to lookup the IP of the .XXX website and
block by the IP. Since porn websites usually host many domains on the same
IP, including their .COM equivalent, filtering software will be able to
block them all.

Some webmaster who decides that it is cool to get a .XXX domain and puts it
on a virtual webhost like at GoDaddy (with thousands of non-adult websites
hosted on the same IP) where he doesn't even have any porn pics, would all
get blocked because his .XXX domain shared the same IP as others. Who cares
if those other sites get blocked.. they shouldn't have been hosting on the
same server as that deviant.

Hopefully, the porners aren't that smart to catch on to this and won't put
their .COM website on one IP and the .XXX website on another.



The purchase of .XXX domains will help fund child protection organizations
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Some child protection organizations will be given grants/funding from the
proceeds of .XXX domains to help with their laudable mission of protecting
children. Maybe playgrounds and playscapes that are purchased with this
.XXX money could have a sign put up that says 'Your porn dollars at work",
or "This play area paid for by porn".




.XXX will protect children
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Everyone knows that the minute .XXX gets approved that every porn site in
the world will switch to .XXX because it's the "responsible" thing to
protect children. It is with this 100% shifting to .XXX, that filtering
programs can easily identify a porn site since it would have the .XXX
extension.

No longer will websites that operate just on an IP number, or using other
extensions or operating in countries that don't subscribe to US policies,
cause problems. For once, there will be universal unity and agreement.
Just by saying that .XXX will protect children makes it so.




Better to tax the money making pornographers to pay for the .XXX domains
than have non-porn websites pay to have a .KIDS TLD
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Since porn websites are making so much money, they should be the one to pay
for the protection measures that .XXX afford.

.KIDS would certainly be much more effective in its whitelisting approach,
that only approved kid-friendly sites would get a .KIDS extension.

But why tax the websites who already paid for their .COM domain names for
the sins of the pornographers? The Robin Hood strategy of financing child
protection is exactly what Senator Lincoln and other similar porn tax bills
have proposed.





.XXX will stop Child Porn websites because they wouldn't be allowed to get a
.XXX domain
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No one wants the Child Porn websites around, so those pedos will be excluded
from .XXX and usually from .COM as well, since they use those free web
hosting places to put their websites up one day and down another anyways.

And we all know that its impossible to get a .COM name with the word Lolita
or Beastility in it.. since that would just be too obvious what might be on
that website, such that .COM registrars already offer us that level of
protection. A .XXX registrar would allow us to all sleep at night, knowing
they would be doing their jobs of making sure that the really bad stuff didn't
get a domain name.




.XXX will legitimize porn
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With laws being proposed by Congress on the mandatory use of .XXX for porn
sites, it will finally more "legitimize" porn, especially since porn is
already "legit", but it's always good to have government approval. So the
government will acknowledge the .XXX identifier and all those who don't like
smut, won't be shocked the next time they visit an innocently looking .COM
website and find porn.






Conclusion
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There are many reasons why .XXX is a good thing. There's something here for everyone. So ignore all those adult webmasters who are against .XXX

Ignore the fact that one of the ICANN requirements for a TLD is that it must
represent the wishes of the community, to have built up constituency over
the group that the TLD presides over.

There are many people outside of the porn industry who think .XXX is a good
idea, so it makes perfect sense to use ICANN to corral them all into a
virtual red light district and use the TLD as a way of controlling the
content. Better to force one's personal moral and ethical standards onto
another group of people, and the kicker, make them pay for that containment,
and use the proceeds from the .XXX domain transactions to do good.

For those that couldn't read into the satire of the actual commentary
presented, the quick summary:

.XXX SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.

[Pleasurepays]

you copied me word for word.

i am dissapointed.

i've been had.

going to buy Acacia stock now...

[Bama]

Sending sarcasm to them probably isn't the brightest thing you can do. Those guys ever do anything that gives you the impression they have a sense of humor?

[Rhino22]

I love the tenacity you have man. Keep it up.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Bama

Sending sarcasm to them probably isn't the brightest thing you can do. Those guys ever do anything that gives you the impression they have a sense of humor?

The comments posted in general, probably don't mean much to ICANN as a whole, but where it may matter, is the individual GAC members that have to weigh in on their vote.

The points that I presented are ones that have been brought up in support of .XXX, and my satirical responses to those points actually hits the hot button nerve points of conservatives and religious groups, as well as international ICANN members.

It is my hope that those voters who might be on the fence, will read my post, since all the rest are clearly against .XXX.. that they find some bit that drives the point home to them, where the satire is lost on them, because to them, a serious point may have been made that gives them that final reason to vote against .XXX


Fight the humor-challenged!

[fetishblog]

I won't put my site on an .xxx domain.

[Aly]

Nicely done, darling!

...At first I thought you'd finally lost your mind.

[Doctor T]

Let me be the first to only read the first few sentances, and call you an asshat for supporting .xxx



But seriously, nice letter.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Aly

Nicely done, darling!

...At first I thought you'd finally lost your mind.

shhhh... i have





Fight the insane in the membrane!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

The purchase of .XXX domains will help fund child protection organizations
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Some child protection organizations will be given grants/funding from the
proceeds of .XXX domains to help with their laudable mission of protecting
children. Maybe playgrounds and playscapes that are purchased with this
.XXX money could have a sign put up that says 'Your porn dollars at work",
or "This play area paid for by porn".

[MikeHawk]

BUMP for the cause!


Post people....take your heads out of the sand, it wont go away until you help to make it.....

.XXX = bad idea.

[FightThisPatent]

ICANN will be meeting on May 10th, to review .XXX again.

Some documents they posted up:
http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...t1-18apr06.htm

I just emailed my comments about an hour or so ago, and it's already posted there: http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/


Fight the last minute rush!

[pornguy]

I just hope that the people at Icann can follow what you were saying.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by pornguy

I just hope that the people at Icann can follow what you were saying.

If they can't , rawalex posted (his always insighful comments) up to the ICANN board:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld...ent/index.html


Here is the non-satirical version:

The .XXX TLD will create domain speculation, duplication, and squatting
issues.
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There are literally millions of adult domains on the internet already. Many
additional TLDs including country TLDs and things like .info have been
overwhelmed with adult names. Many seek these additional TLDs to attempt to
profit from the names of existing .COM domains, and to mislead the public,
search engines, and such. Confusion between the legitimacy of porn.com and
porn.xxx would create new and overwhelming commercial issues for those who
have create a brand on their .com domains, and lead to more and more domain
disputes to be handled by authorities. It would also lead to another round
of trademark disputes and other issues that could potentially overload the
dispute ssytems.





A .XXX extension will make it even easier for children to find porn

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When kids see the .XXX extension in a search result, their absent parents,
normal curiosity, peer pressure, and ragins hormones will have them clicking
on the links faster than ever. They could type anything.xxx into the
address bar of their browsers and be 100% sute to get a porn site. I can
picture young teenagers in their room alone with their computers, finding
new porn at every turn without any effort required, and with 100% certainty
of hitting porn every try.





.XXX will stop the porn .COM websites when cows fly

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Simplistic reverse lookups will not stop porn from appearing on .com or any
other TLD. If the filter is by IP address, then you can be certain that
adult webmasters will not have the .xxx and .com domains on the same IP.
Further, there is no mechanism or legal process to move porn off of any tld,
and any modification to the rules of the .COM TLD would surely meet with
very strong resistance and reactions from those people who have invested
heavily in .COM domains.



The purchase of .XXX domains will bring a great profit to the TLD operator

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While the TLD operator may potentially offer some money to "protect the
children", the net effects of this new TLD would nothing more than a large
and immediate windfall profit, by attempting to get the .xxx domain mandated
and then overcharging for the rights to register these domains. Further, it
has been made clear that many of the prefered "best" domains would not be
sold on a first come first served basis, but rather in an auction type
situation which could bring literally tens of millions of dollars to the TLD
operator. It is a very unnatural process where adult site operators would
be effectively force at electronic gunpoint to scrap it out for the .xxx
versions of the .com domains they own, promote, and market.



.XXX will just add to the confusion

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Everyone knows that the minute .XXX gets approved that huge domain
speculation will occur, and not a single .COM adult site will disappear
unless made the law of every land using the internet. If the US (example)
requires it, then all those .COM domains will suddenly be owned in Canada or
Peru or some other country, and will continue to offer porn. .XXX will do
nothing but create millions more adult oriented domain names. US based free
speech advocates would likely take this move to court, and this whole
process could be tied up for years.

There is no mechanism to force adult material onto a specific TLD, in the
same manner that .org and country TLDs have little or no control over the
content on those TLDs. Creating .XXX will not magically make porn move away
from it's existing domain base, but rather will create more domains
displaying porn as a percentage of the total domains on the internet.





Better to tax the money making pornographers to pay for the .XXX domains
than have non-porn websites pay to have a .KIDS TLD
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Since porn websites are making so much money, they should be the one to pay
for the protection measures that .XXX afford.

.KIDS would certainly be much more effective in its whitelisting approach,
that only approved kid-friendly sites would get a .KIDS extension.

But why tax the websites who already paid for their .COM domain names for
the sins of the pornographers? The Robin Hood strategy of financing child
protection is exactly what Senator Lincoln and other similar porn tax bills
have proposed.








.XXX won't Child Porn websites because child porn is already illegal.
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Child porn creators and distributors wouldn't let a silly little thing like
a TLD designation stop them from distributing their sick products. Very
little of the CP in the world is actually on a domain anyway, most of it
appears to be traded in chat rooms, through private websites, and email.
There is nothing to say that they wouldn't register a .XXX domain, put an
acceptable front page on the site, and bury child porn inside protected
directories. A TLD does nothing to stop child porn.

Child porn is illegal already. TLD changes isn't going to stop a single
child from being abused.






.XXX will move porn into a ghetto

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AG Gonzales has already admitted that some adult material is protected
speech. A TLD will do nothing to legitimize the already legit adult
industry, but if every porn site went onto a .XXX domain, a porn ghetto
would be created. It would take little or no effort for anti-porn crusaders
to force some ISPs and common carriers to block .XXX domains, which would
seriously impede free speech and in fact removed legitimacy from the adult
industry.

Don't think so? It would just take a group of strongly christian investors
to take a controlling stake in a major common carrier, and they could use
their financial influence to force that carrier to stop handling .XXX
traffic. Worse, using misleading routing information, they could create
apparent routes that would make it appear that a user could connect to the
site, but in the end discarding all of the traffic or blocking the site.

Putting all the porn in one place makes it very, very easy for these groups
to take aim and disrupt legal and protected free speech.










Conclusion

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There are few reasons why .XXX is a good thing. There's little here for
anyone except the anti-porn groups and the companies who seek to profit from
this new TLD. You cannot ignore the adult webmasters, this TLD will greatly
limit their free speech and affect their businesses in many ways.

You cannot ignore the fact that one of the ICANN requirements for a TLD is
that it must represent the wishes of the community, to have built up
constituency over the group that the TLD presides over.

ICANN is not in the business of deciding what is acceptable and not
acceptable content on the internet. That is an issue of law in the
individual countries. ICANN should not even consider being the thought
police, giving in to the anti-porn crusaders who seek to limit free speech
where the US courts have already ruled nothing can be done. It is the
equivilant of using zoning bylaws to limit adult businesses, running all the
porn out of town on a rail to satisfy a small puritanical group that cannot
accept the rulings of the top court of the US on the matter.

Interestingly, the conclusion is the same:

.XXX SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED.

[FightThisPatent]

I just submitted this post to ICANN

subject: .KIDS is a better way to protect children

In my previous post titled: "Reasons why .XXX TLD is a good idea", I made satirical commentary that actually expressed why .XXX is a bad idea.

All joking aside, the .XXX TLD has been positioned and propositioned by ICM as "protecting children", but yet there is not tangible method or explanation of how that would actually occur.

Blocking the .XXX IP in order to block the .COM IP is a swiss cheese solution, filled with so many holes.

A web browser could block if it sees .XXX, or an ISP could do the same, but unless .XXX is mandatory world-wide, the "protections" are non-existant.

Black List filtering methods are largely ineffective. The common methods to filter by filtering software today, is to create a list of known bad websites, and if the web browser is going to visit a domain on the list, then it is blocked. Black Lists are ineffective because they can only block for the KNOWN domain names. New domains that surface won't be blocked. Black Lists have to be highly maintained and is always a constant battle to keep up.

White List filtering is 100% effective, because it works the opposite of Black List filtering.

If a website/domain is on the list, it is allowed in. If it is not, it is blocked. Only websites that have been approved to be on a White List are accessible.

.KIDS would be an international White List. IFFOR has defined many policies for .XXX that are perfectly suited for .KIDS

IFFOR could ensure that only kid-friendly websites are approved for .KIDS

This would mean that there would be disney.kids, aol.kids, etc.

Any website that wanted to cater towards kids, would find the economic and marketing reasons to purchase a .KIDS domain.

US CAN-SPAM laws can be amended to include penalities for emailing to a .KIDS address (ie. [email protected]) without proper opt-in by the parent (there are state laws being proposed and passed such as with Utah and Michigan that are attempting to protect children from email solicitations).

The major defense against a .KIDS TLD by ICM, is that there is no money to be made from it.

Besides that being a telling answer that .XXX isn't really about protecting children, there is an alternate solution.

While .XXX is looking to charge $75/domain, it is not without reason that a .KIDS domain could cost like $125/domain per year.

yes, it's a high number, but there are logistical costs of validating and ensuring that the .KIDS applicant is a good one.

Also, there wouldn't be millions of .KIDS domains, but a sufficient quantity to cover the costs of operations.

If ICM feels that the expense to running .KIDS is too great, that there is more profit in .XXX, then the answer is simple.

Allow Network Solutions to administer and maintain the .KIDS TLD

Network Solutions already has the infrastructure in place, that the .KIDS TLD should not impact it.

The IFFOR component of ICM's proposal could still be applied, having child protection experts be on the board, maintaing the integrity of the .KIDS TLD, etc. where IFFOR can service Network Solutions.

Another solution, though more drastic, is that if ICANN is failing to serve the needs of ALL internet communities, and choosing to IMPOSE .XXX on the adult online entertainment community that DOESN'T WANT IT, then it seems clear that ICANN has lost touch with reality and with the international members, that maybe the ICANN duties should just be rolled in under the United Nations.

-brandon




Fight the .XXX!

[FightThisPatent]

bump. more posters needed to ICANN to make it very clear, there is an overwhelming show of NON-SUPPORT for .XXX


Fight the divided we fall!

[RogerV5]

alot of people support it

[MikeHawk]

Originally Posted by RogerV5

alot of people support it

Here are some that dont:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/



Who in there right mind would support this? unless they will make so much money, then i guess its ok, to sell us down the river?

[Elixir]

They all work fine for me....