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View Poll Results: How's the profit from sending traffic to VOD sites? | |||
I make more per click than sending to membership sites |
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10 | 50.00% |
I make less per click than sending to membership sites |
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7 | 35.00% |
It's about the same as membership sites |
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0 | 0% |
I promote fusker software, fuck you and your video! |
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3 | 15.00% |
Voters: 20. You may not vote on this poll |
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Per click do you make more money with VOD or Membership sites?
I see VOD everywhere on the board right now but I never see any thing that says it makes enough money per click to be worth throwing traffic at it.
So, here's a poll. Honest answers please. If you have good or bad experiences with it please let me know in detail. VOD companies, I don't wanna hear all that, "We have over 25,000 movies" shit. I don't care if you have 40 movies, I just wanna know how much this stuff makes.
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That's a fair answer Candyflip. Anyone else with any VOD experiences?
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While I haven't promoted VOD *yet*, I'm not convinced they can make more than membership sites on the PPS model. On the revshare model it does seem possible, but when you buy traffic up front like I do, I don't like being in the red for several months before I *might* turn a profit...
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I have my doubts as well, but I haven't sent any significant traffic to one in a long while and then it was only a couple of extra dollars. But, someone must have been making money from them so I decided to start this poll to give them a shot to come here and say so. The silence in this thread is saying a lot more so far.
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i'm not convinced either
but i'm giving it a try right now with http://www.adultrentalcash.com/?revid=218601 i will report back when results come in. I think its just another way to squeeze out few extra dollars, its not gonna make you rich. PornWolf, good poll. per click #s is what i'll be looking at.
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I think we'd all be interested in seeing these results.
I'm suprised the VOD companies haven't sent anyone of their bigger earners to this thread. It's still kinda quiet given all the VOD promotion we have seen the past week or so.
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I will bite. I have been in the VOD game long enough, I work with all most every one. Here is my view
If you run a pay site and want to upsell from members area then send traffic to VOD. If you are TGP / MGP still VOD will work because of the low price point. If we you are doing PPC (like wiredguy), you will have a better result with PPS since its a larger payout for targetted traffic. The VOD game is changing also. It used to be a rev share game where you got paid 20% - 25% but now I few of my clients are offering PPS to compete for the same traffic. I am seeing mroe and mroe PPS VOD players in the market. I will be intrested to see if a VOD site or pay site pays more per click on a PPS. Jay |
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I added our movies to hotmovies.com and it is great, first the money each money is always nice, plus when people always ask for a preview I just send them to my studio that they made madetoordervod.com and they can watch them there and get an idea if they want our videos. It took about a year but now all the people I sent there that signed up are now giving me a % everytime. It has grown month by month since we started too. I don't even send much traffic there either. just my thoughts
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how much do you make per movie , per member ?
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useless? first of all I have no clue how many people I send there. I just tell people about the studio, If they go or not I don't have a clue, they must. I also have 30 minute pre-paid cards that they give out for free that get people to sign up, anyone can get these. I get paid depending on how much the person spends each time they buy minutes. 25%.
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another factor here...
The vod revshare model is different than typical paysite revshare. It's not the same fixed $12 a month per member rebill or whatever. Better to compare it to a cams program as the VOD member can wind up spending MORE per month as time goes by.
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cant be that hard to do
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Thanks for a real answer Jay. You are a credible voice in this thread and we all appreciate the insight you gave.
I still can't believe the VOD players haven't added to this thread. It's speaking volumes. Am I to believe the only place that VOD belongs is as an upsale? As it stands that's what it looks like. This is looking really bad. Is VOD worth targeted clicks?
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The VOD isn't like a paysite argument doesn't hold water. If you know how much profit you made off of a number of clicks over a fair amount of time you know how much money you make as an average. It's the same for everything. If you are a webmaster and you aren't breaking down your profit in this way you are doing it wrong. How much you make PPS isn't important, it's how much you make per click that is. The only difference is you can't judge that in one month for a cam/dating/revshare/vod site. You have to give them at least a few months to get a real feel for it while the recurring comes in or more minutes accrue from VOD members. That's what makes them all hard to do PPC with unless they offer PPS.
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I can't give you HARD numbers, PW but from my experience behind the scenes I will say this ...
It IS more like the cams biz model. Customers are not locked into recurring BUT they like to be in control of what they spend and come back OFTEN. It's a very solid long term biz model for all involved ![]() |
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You have to give it time to do so fairly but you still can. What I'm waiting for are more responses from people who promote these things often. Over 6 months what have you made per click. Does it compare to the take on a paysite? Is it more, less or the same? What's disturbing is that I haven't gotten a response from anyone addressing that question on the most populated webmaster board in the world. VOD isn't new, it has been around since 2000. What gives? Has anyone sent these companies steady traffic for a while?
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memberships rock!
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pps or revshare make a lot more from my experience, this was off SE traffic too. it was on free signups, but the amount of traffic i sent the results were still pretty shitty and could have made a lot more sending to membership sites.
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VOD converts much much better in my experiences.
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Any program looking at this business today has to realise the days of the newbie webmaster coming in and driving significant traffic are gone. Todays affiliates are mostly seasoned professionals.
They will look at the bottom line, not the top line. Assess the site, drive some traffic, see how it performs and then decide if it's in there long term interest to keep driving traffic to that program. The payout model, %, $$ amounts are not all important. What matters is the money that hits your bank account. Pornwolf, try it out and see if you can drive good traffic to VOD sites. could be that your traffic is better for you on the paysite model, or not. You will only know by testing YOUR traffic. |
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testing an unproven model is like pissing money in the wind Show me the money, show me the #s where are the people making money with VOD ?? i hate to quote web father on this, but i too dont trust people... i trust #s. show the me the fucking #s otherwise go fuckyourself when i look for new affiliate programs, i look in the ppc engines not gfy boards where cocksuckers sig whore their shit i've yet to see a single major mainstream or adult PPC guy push VOD maybe the market for VOD is not here i dont know, and thats what pornwolf is trying to figure out as well. i'm setting up 2 vod sites to set right now but i'm not concvinced thats where is money in it
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membership for me, VOD never really worked
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Bump for Shap, perhaps he'll share his experience from last year's sales.
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Like every other model in the industry, it will depend on your sponsor and your working relationship with them. How you promote the product will affect your success at it no matter if you get PPC, PPS or Revshare.... Just getting started with XonDemand (sig), they appear to be aggresive at growing the program. Rob (vod) is accesible and you see him on gfy all the time. Gives ya a warm fuzzy that you can make some bling with their program. Another point for this sposnor is that rather than take the easy way out and just spend the advertising $ and throw up a top banner on GFY, they took the time to find people they hope to develop long term relationships with and got their sigs FIRST. Then they'll prolly followup with banners etc. |
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Compared to a Pay Site, VOD site over head is more since they have to pay a % of your sale for content plus the technology cost is hight too (I charge an arm and a leg for software ...just kidding)...mostly band width. Also its a volume game, more people will join and buy a 5$/40min PPM package then a 29.95 pay site membership. Also these days the ratio of Trial to Full on a pay site is going down so much I dont know how long pay site owners can sustain the high pay out on trials. What I am seeing this year is far more interst in vOD, a lot of programs launching VOD so that tells their is money on it. Jay |
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I think they are setting up VOD sites because you and others like you are making it more convenient to do that than ever before... and the money is obviously gravy on top of the entree.
My question is whether or not VOD is ready to be primetime. Is it ready to be "the entree" instead of just the gravy.
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I always look at RPC (Revenue Per Click)
I promote both pps and rev share, and to compare them I need a median like RPC to compare. I have promoted VOD, and overall my RPC was much lower on VOD than pps and revshare. |
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Totally agree. I want to see a whale post some numbers or some company buying up top tgp/mpg spots or a major ppc ad buy. Until then, its all rumours trying to create hype on message boards. Remember the $10/month paysites that was supposed to make everyone rich, where are they today... WG
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I have a comment regarding the reference to 'is it worth sending targeted (or PPC) traffic to VOD sponsors" ...if you are targeting the words 'porn movies' or 'hardcore porn videos' probablly not. However if you are able to send traffic directly into pages of the videos themselves, targeting words like 'aria giovanni video' and sending the traffic directly to her vod page/section would have a much different result in the long run. This is a good arguement for revshare if payable per video download. If it's a subscription type of vod site, as long as you can send traffic directly in to the exact location in the site you want than a pps is also viable. Depends on what the VOD sponsor allows you to do and their business/payment model.
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Hi I'm with XonDemand.com and I can tell you that some of our affiliates promote us on yahoo (overture) and google ad words... and do well... we also do pay per click with yahoo (overture) and google ad words, we do very well with our pay per click accounts and turn 230% return on some keywords... you will see 80% retention with XonDemand from year to year. Give away 15 Free minutes with free hosted movie content, on a non-recurring subscription model to best retain the customer. 'On Demand' Cyndalie with Adult Chamber had some pretty good points - " if you are able to send traffic directly into pages of the videos themselves, targeting words like 'aria giovanni video' and sending the traffic directly to her vod page/section would have a much different result in the long run. This is a good arguement for revshare subscription type of vod site, as long as you can send traffic directly in to the exact location in the site you want than a pps is also viable. Depends on what the VOD sponsor allows you to do and their business/payment model. " VOD is here to stay. Test out XonDemand see sig... |
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