even so, mad respect for posting up


Fight the baddog cloning! :1orglaugh

Why is that? The world would be a better place with a massive army of baddogs :2 cents:


:)

Fight the Sent!

One thing I'm not clear on is this: Does this only affect US webmasters? If I do not live in the USA, who is going to stop me from running a .COM (as well as .XXX) domain name? I have signed the petition, and posted it to the Adult Editor forum at DMOZ, hopefully get some support there too.

I read in one ICANN post, that a great comment was made that .XXX will make it easier for kids to find porn.

One of the claims by .XXX supporters is that adults will see the .XXX and be more likely to click on it.

I don't see MORE traffic going to a .XXX domain for these reasons:

1) if someone uses .XXX to filter out porn, they aren't the target customers anyways

2) given the way SE results come back, there is already a short blurb of text that lets the surfer know a little bit about the .COM domain, they use that to decide what to click


now back to the idea that .XXX will make it EASIER for kids to find porn.

a kid could type in gijoe.xxx and could end up at a porn site (as long as hasbro didn't sue the website first for trademark infringement).

whereas if a kid typed in gijoe.com they wouldn't see porn.

there are many instances where kids curiosity to just slap on a .XXX at the end, to see if anyone did create a porn site, will mean it will be EASIER for kids to find porn!


Fight the unintended consequences!

got that pink power going now!


Fight the plum!

.XXX is not a US-only thing.

Anyone can register a .XXX domain if they become available.

What the fear is that there are U.S. laws being proposed to make .XXX mandatory for US-based companies.

EU would never go for that, since they already stated they support a .KIDS TLD idea.

Fight the .XXX!

Legendary Lars........:thumbsup

i just sent you an email...plus bump.

Jim

Ok for the life of me I can't figure out why this thread is not sticky and on top of this board.

Mark

could it be related to this GFY replay:

Thread link: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...5&page=1&pp=50

poster: lensman

subject: .xxx - the best way to stop censorship.

message:

Think about it. If adult content was on it's own TLD, it's easy to block it for kids. No major isp is going to block it, because they'd lose 20% of their customers. And people that want porn will have the power to see it.

I'd rather have that than have the US gov't try to prosecute people.

And if ICANN enforces it, it would be worldwide. The KEY is that the registry MUST allow the current .com owners to get the same domains as .xxx, without the regisgtered tm bs. If you own a .net, you are second in line. If they don't, I can see lots of lawsuits.


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Fight the famous last words!

.xxx is a crazy thing, i'll tell ya

Tap tap tap....tap tap tap....quit dancin Roger and be a leader......

Thanks for the reminder! My email has been published, though I'm not holding my breath.

Tell ya what KCat, was just telling fight the patent this:

[19:23] MikeHawk: what is so great, i am clean of my mind of what is right and just
[19:23] FightThePatent: exactly
[19:23] MikeHawk: and i took the time to let those in our biz know about it (.XXX), just like you

You voted, you stood for something, you have defined your self, congrats.:thumbsup

Bump for this thread - So important for us all to email - and let your surfers / affiliates know too what the implications are for them.

If you haven't emailed - do so there are ONLY 284 emails here http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-tld-agreement/ as at 2006 May 08 02:00:43 (UTC)

Email: [email protected] before it's too late. Have your say on an issue that affects all of us.

Mike, I don't think that is who you think it is

at least I sure hope not

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
NN..hey we met by the pool in Phoenix at the Forum, hit me up on ICQ, lets catch up and continue our talk.

there are many "leaders" sitting on the sidelines on this one.. not wanting to have to rock the boat with traffic deals with parners they know support .XXX

it's sad to think that someone would curb their opinions for an important issue that would greatly affect their own business, for the sake of thinking of what kind of retaliation someone might do (ie. drop their deal???)

you would hope that biz is biz, and how someone feels about .XXX has nothing to do with their business relationships.

whenever some other big issue comes up, these "leaders" might come forward, only if the issue hits them squarely in the wallet, because the moral issue of standing up doesn't seem to hold as much weight as the potential financial losses...


Fight the profit/loss analysis!

ummm i think it is....no biggie ....


Hey how you doing?

You flying up to Toronto this week?

BULLS EYE!
BINGO!
EXACTAMUNDO
PRECISLEY

:thumbsup

So, RogerV is posting as RogerV5 and RogerV10 too? That is pretty sad if true.


No, I don't go to Canada.

Don't go to Canada? On what grounds? Can't stand the cleanliness?

Bumps for the "night crew"

You give far too much credit. If such analyses were the norm, we would handle ourselves much better in situations like this than we do. It is also apparent that online porn has no leaders, but is just a collection of very ordinary people, some of whom happen to have made a lot of money.

Simply to survive, people entering the business now have to be more professional than their predecessors. So from among those who are successful, over our second decade likely will come people who understand the importance of protecting their environment as well as attending to their immediate concerns. I guess we just have to hope that enough of the ceiling stays put until then.

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jayeff..you post reminded me of the very first time i heard about this .XXX. I was brought up to speed by someone who has been in the online adult biz almost since it started, he at that time informed me about "the group" that is involved with .XXX ...they are older, been around along time, made a ton of money in this biz, also i dont sit at the same table they sit at ( he did say i would one day lol)

I was also told that ALOT of money had changed hands for introductions and deals behind closed doors were made to secure votes and support....some of those that supported then, dont now.

The best part that really got me going was: "there was nothing i could do about it, and there is far to much money involved to stop it" When i hung up the phone, that was maybe the best and worst thing he could have said to me at that time.

It got under my skin that a few older members of our biz can make the money they did then take a big fat crap on the very biz they helped create and make all there money with. Amazing!

So the good news we dont do any biz with any of those people, and dont plan on ever doing biz with them or any one like that. There are a ton of really great people in this biz that choose to take it as a real biz, and hopefuly in the end that will show it self.

Soon i hope.




NO to .XXX

Except that it isn't amazing.

How many people who have enjoyed major success do you think are running businesses they still understand? Come to that, how many do you think have any real ambition left or even still enjoy turning up for work every day? I'm not being patronizing: I have been through this myself.

I started my first business in a 2-room basement with almost no capital. In less than 5 years it was in its own building with a 7-figure turnover. Very nice, but what almost no-one ever considers is that the job of growing a company from zero to its first million is totally different from that of earning its fifth million or its fiftieth. The focus of a business changes as it grows, shifting from earning money to managing it. The different phases require completely different skills and experience, even different pyschology and they are rarely all going to turn up in a single individual.

My response was to sell out and start something new. But I guess this business offers more support for fragile egos than most, among them opportunities to make sordid deals as a way of feeling still in control.

unless Visa decides to process only for the 'self regulated', 'ethical' .xxx sites

150..........

another brilliant post by jayeff.


Fight the east coast bump!

341 emails, we should get to 500 before May 10th

it should be over 1,000.. but the issue is to not stack the results by posting with several different email addresses just to get the number up, but rather, let the webmasters speak their mind.

If you have to do that, then those tactics are no better than what .XXX supporters have done.

This is about free-will, this is about doing what is right. If webmasters can't stand for themselves, then they get what they deserve.

on the flipside, i can understand that wanting to do anything possible to ensure that .XXX doesn't go through is in self-interest and of the greater good, and therefore some self-justification in wanting to "stack the votes" by posting from multiple email addresses.

there should literally be thousands of affiliate webmasters posting up, who would have been contacted by their paysites to act. Same with webmaster resource boards.

ICANN may not be making a final decision on May 10th, but i believe that May 10th is the end of the (second) public comment period.

What is a little good news, is that the pro .XXX side seems to have not heard about the open period, since there are very few pro .XXX posts

Fight the apathy!

the adult industry is the few armies left that actually shoot its own wounded. There cant be much of an uproar and a united voice when we are all fighting amongst ourselves !

sadly, many just leave it up to the few who actually do give a shit to sort out the problem. Only until the industry looses does the webmaster community (who will feel it in the pocket book) get up and start doing something - in this and other situations - it just may be too late.

VERY VERY valid post

post of the fuckin' year

341 posts now to the icannn website


lets keep it going

alien you nailed it on the head my friend.

actually, that is sadly wrong.

the phrase "united we stand, divided we fall" was created to illustrate that each individual person does have a part to play.

The "cost" for a paysite/resource board to send a mass emailing to their affilliates/members: $0

The "cost" for a webmaster to take 2 minutes to write an email to ICANN to express their feelings on .XX: $0

Showing a unified stance: priceless


the "return on investment" for being a part of a large voice is huge. the "return on investment" of postig up and still having .XXX get approved, is still huge.

Silence is golden, only for crying children, for adults who don't stand up and take issue with factors that affect them, is shameful.



Fight the PSA!

i just sent them this


.XXX is about money and taking advantage of a situation, nothing more nothing less. Those behind .XXX are opportunists, nothing more nothing less. The facts are that .XXX will not protect kids from pornography on the Internet. .XXX will not stop the bad CP people either. I am sure that ICANN has extremely intelligent people driving the ship, and can see right through the veil of "false desire" that those in favor of .XXX are painting for them. Lets hope that they are not swayed by the deceitful tactics of those who are planning to line their pockets with the results of a decision opposed by the majority in the online adult theatre. Many online adult webmasters are afraid of the spotlight, but are greatly opposed to .XXX. Those of us who are not afraid of standing up for the rest of the industry should be counted as exponential voices for those that are not willing to publicly post their views and positions for fear of future retaliation or exploitation. For every one of us that are making public comments, there are 99 behind us that will not publicly post their opinon. .XXX is a coup of sorts, with the full intention being greed. I have been involved in online adult marketing since 1999 and this is one of the most abhorrent displays of brute thuggery that I have had the displeasure of experiencing. .XXX serves no positive intent. .XXX has many detrimental ripple effects. We respectfully request that ICANN really take a look at the intentions of those behind .XXX and not allow their presented falsities and deception to sway a decision in favor of those motivated by money. .XXX is bad for everyone in so many ways. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Regards
A very concerned webmaster.