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Webby 04-29-2006 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
There is no pipe involved sorry.

That has got to be the saddest statement on GFY.

At least if there was a pipe it would explain why you are obsessed and manage to find a political theme/agenda in every thread.

Check for the communists under your bed tonight - cos they are evil :winkwink:

pussyluver 04-29-2006 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum
Those people were heroes stop fucking pissing on their memory by claiming you know better than their own family. Some of you people make me fucking disgusted.

The people of Flight 93 were heroes, no question. I do not believe this film did them justice. They deserve more. Perhaps yet another movie will be made? I don't know if that would be wise or not. Please do not mistake my comments about the victims of United 93 and the makers of this film.

I could go into the details of the inaccuracies and the unreasonableness of some of the scenes and story line. That would best be done in a conversation, not on a board. I would only extract emotional responses from people that didn't even see the film.

See the film you you want. Again, I don't think it is a fair representation of the facts. I read the reports and background information on United 93 since that horrible day. This film just doesn't cut it.

Splum 04-29-2006 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
The plane was logged at an altitude of 40k ft. when the calls started coming in.. At&t engineers and commerical pilots have said that cell phones are pretty much worthless once a plane leaves the runway.. and at best, a max of 10k ft. ..
But supposedly 13 calls made it to their destination... And I'm sure the hijackers were ok with all these folks making phone calls.. :)

You are a liar.
I dont know what makes you think they dont work at high altitudes, the FCC had to BAN ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION above 10000 feet in fact because it would interfere with critical flight controls.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...air-cell_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...s-planes_x.htm

Also may I remind you that there were IN FLIGHT PHONES ON UNITED 93.

Kevin - The PNN 04-29-2006 09:29 PM

I watched it - overall I thought it was a good job. I am sure some of it was BS, but remembering the events from that day is good. If you fail to stake the time to remember - and think how easy of a target we are, we will remain an easy target. If nothing else - there is value in that.

pr0 04-29-2006 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin - The PNN
I watched it - overall I thought it was a good job. I am sure some of it was BS, but remembering the events from that day is good. If you fail to stake the time to remember - and think how easy of a target we are, we will remain an easy target. If nothing else - there is value in that.

Everyone will always be an easy target, so long as we live in a free society. Its the fear mongers who feast on controlling your weak minds that win.

They bring up just how easy we can perish everyday...& everyday they take away another freedom in the cause of fighting terrorism.

Splum 04-29-2006 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0
Everyone will always be an easy target, so long as we live in a free society. Its the fear mongers who feast on controlling your weak minds that win.

They bring up just how easy we can perish everyday...& everyday they take away another freedom in the cause of fighting terrorism.

As I recall from your sig you frequently get high, I dont know off of which drugs but I am pretty sure it has done some brain damage to you. You may want to do something about that. Also in your location field on your profile it says you are in the matrix, again now all your posts make sense to me. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Oh and I say these things with some sense of sadness for your life not to be mean spirited at all.

Sexxxy Sites 04-29-2006 10:13 PM

The matrix? This explains alot.

J$tyle$ 04-29-2006 10:16 PM

It's on A&E right now for whoever is interested (PST)

Scootermuze 04-29-2006 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum
You are a liar.
I dont know what makes you think they dont work at high altitudes, the FCC had to BAN ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION above 10000 feet in fact because it would interfere with critical flight controls.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...air-cell_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/...s-planes_x.htm
Also may I remind you that there were IN FLIGHT PHONES ON UNITED 93.

From your links...:
Cell phones usually don't work at high altitudes. When they do, they simultaneously communicate with hundreds of cell towers on the ground, clogging networks.....

Amazing for something that usually doesn't work, but 13 calls worked.. and they were supposedly calls from cell phones...

Here are some more liars for ya.. :)

"The idea of being able to use a cellphone while flying is completely impractical. Once through about 10,000 feet, the thing is useless, since you are too high and moving too fast (and thus changing cells too rapidly) for the phone to provide a signal." (AVWeb, 1999)

..... even at the latter altitude (and below), the handoff problem appears. Any airliner at or below this altitude, flying at the normal speed of approximately 500 mph, would encounter the handoff problem (Dewdney 2003). An aircraft traveling at this speed would not be over the cellsite long enough to complete the electronic "handshake" (which takes several seconds to complete) before arriving over the next cellsite, when the call has to be handed off from the first cellsite to the next one. This also takes a few seconds, the result being, in the optimal case, a series of broken transmissions that must end, sooner or later, in failure.

Wow.. lots of liars out there.. :)

Splum 04-30-2006 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
From your links...:
Cell phones usually don't work at high altitudes. When they do, they simultaneously communicate with hundreds of cell towers on the ground, clogging networks.....

Amazing for something that usually doesn't work, but 13 calls worked.. and they were supposedly calls from cell phones...

Where the fuck is your information coming from lol? Conspiracy website no doubt if you read it on the internets it must be true! I noticed you didnt provide links lol. Here Ill even put some more proof out there for you from an impartial technical journal...

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Our research shows clearly that, in violation of FCC and FAA rules, calls are regularly made from commercial aircraft. Results from our analysis imply that calls from on board scheduled commercial aircraft in the eastern United States occur at a rate of one to four per flight. In addition, we saw other signals that suggest that at least one passenger neglects to turn off his or her cellphone on most flights.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar06/3069/2

pr0 04-30-2006 10:05 AM

You're all sheep. Sheep i say...if you pay to see this movie.

Fetish 04-30-2006 11:04 AM

Whether alot of it was speculation or not, I do not really care. The movie was very well done and the audience was very emotional. What really interested me was not what went down on the plane as much as the confusion between the Military and the FAA.

DBS.US 04-30-2006 11:10 AM

The movie was made for one thing, making money. lots and lots of money:2 cents:

StuartD 04-30-2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
this has ZERO (0) to do with politics.

PURE HEARTLESS GREED BULLSHIT COOKED UP FOR IGNORANT FUCKS & REDNECKS :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

Make up your mind, does it have 0 to do with politics or is it about a Bush election win?

stickyfingerz 04-30-2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
From your links...:
Cell phones usually don't work at high altitudes. When they do, they simultaneously communicate with hundreds of cell towers on the ground, clogging networks.....

Amazing for something that usually doesn't work, but 13 calls worked.. and they were supposedly calls from cell phones...

Here are some more liars for ya.. :)

"The idea of being able to use a cellphone while flying is completely impractical. Once through about 10,000 feet, the thing is useless, since you are too high and moving too fast (and thus changing cells too rapidly) for the phone to provide a signal." (AVWeb, 1999)

..... even at the latter altitude (and below), the handoff problem appears. Any airliner at or below this altitude, flying at the normal speed of approximately 500 mph, would encounter the handoff problem (Dewdney 2003). An aircraft traveling at this speed would not be over the cellsite long enough to complete the electronic "handshake" (which takes several seconds to complete) before arriving over the next cellsite, when the call has to be handed off from the first cellsite to the next one. This also takes a few seconds, the result being, in the optimal case, a series of broken transmissions that must end, sooner or later, in failure.

Wow.. lots of liars out there.. :)

Still waiting for you link to the logs of the cell phone call times, and the logs of the altitude of the aircraft at that time. You fuckin liar....

directfiesta 04-30-2006 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Still waiting for you link to the logs of the cell phone call times, and the logs of the altitude of the aircraft at that time. You fuckin liar....

what an idiot.

stickyfingerz 04-30-2006 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
what an idiot.

Yes he is an idiot.

stickyfingerz 04-30-2006 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
It's not a conspiracy...

The plane was logged at an altitude of 40k ft. when the calls started coming in..

At&t engineers and commerical pilots have said that cell phones are pretty much worthless once a plane leaves the runway.. and at best, a max of 10k ft. ..
But supposedly 13 calls made it to their destination... And I'm sure the hijackers were ok with all these folks making phone calls.. :)

But there are those in here that know so much more than the engineers and pilots.. So it'll continue to be a conspiracy theory... :)


Where is the link to this information? Please post it. Prove you are not a fuckin liar.

candyflip 04-30-2006 11:36 AM

If they really wanted to honor these folks, they wouldn't stalling on the $60+ million memorial they want to build.

BlueWire 04-30-2006 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0
JFK hundreds of witnesses in & around the book depository, the grassy nole, SMELLED gunpowder, saw/heard shots, people etc.

Titanic - hundreds of surviving witnesses

Alive - surviving cannibals

Plane crash (supposed cellphone calls)

anyone see a common ground?

Know what else....these movies were made DECADES after. This film was made.

This film was made for one reason & one reason only. GREEEEEED

I am a movie buff, i've seen thousands of films & i know a pile of shit when i see it. And i don't need to see the film to critique its philosophy of greed.


JFK situation is still one of the most debated events in history as to what EXACTLY really happend

Titanic....As the ship goes down, you're in the middle of fucking nowhere without a light in sight. They have NOW discovered that the ship went down in THREE pieces, not two....yet these "eye witnesses" couldnt figure that out......So really...how much of the events were REALLY accurate.


Take a movie for what its worth. Its a hollywood depiction that is MAYBE half accurate....just like the rest of these other movies.

I hate bush...i'm open to the conspiracy theories...i'd still like to see the movie. I just can't see myself bashing like you are but I'll wait to see it to make FINAL decision on that i guess :upsidedow

pr0 04-30-2006 12:31 PM

100 reasons woj can kiss my ass ; )D

directfiesta 04-30-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Where is the link to this information? Please post it. Prove you are not a fuckin liar.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

Now how about a link to show that cell phones works while at high altitude ... Should be easy for you ...

But just think about what are cell phones: they connect to a cell, and when you change area, they connect to another cell. Sometimes, no cell are available, so no service. So just try to portrait in a fucking plane ....

Passengers of UNITED 93 are victims of a terrorist act ... but people don't want to see a film about victims, but about heroes ( which they are not )... so the spin comes in :

- Pat Tillman
-Jessica Lynch
- and now this ....

Splum 04-30-2006 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

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Our website was established on the 9th of September 2001, two days before the tragic events of September 11. Barely a few days later, Global Research had become a major news source on the New World Order and Washington's "war on terrorism".
You call that a SOURCE? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Also remember even if you dispute cell phone calls from that flight some of the phone calls were made by IN FLIGHT AIR PHONES. Sorry man your arguments just have no factual basis in them at all. As a matter of fact your 'source lol' is basically saying that 9/11 commission(which contains Democrats and Republicans) lied about the phone calls when scores of people on the ground VERIFIED these transmissions. What basis would a family member of a victim have for lieing about a phone call they engaged in?

leggs 04-30-2006 02:22 PM

Why go see it and waste good money when you can download it.

LINK PLEASE

stickyfingerz 04-30-2006 02:45 PM

Why would the government go through all the trouble of this huge operation of flying planes, and faking manifests, and carrying on with this HUGE conspiracy, and not research that Cell phones dont work on airplanes according to Direct Cum Fiesta, and Scootermuzehead...... Doesnt make much sense does it? The government would plan this apparently for years and years in order to get all the details right. Have thousands of people keeping their mouths shut, and yet somehow not check into the chances of cell phones working on aircraft? hmmmmm Common sense. Look into it K? :winkwink:

dv2 04-30-2006 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
LMFAO!! Yup this all has nothing to do with Bush. :error :error :error :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Baaa back atcha.:winkwink:

I'm off to go walk my dog now...he shits like 2 times a day and it's all because of bush... or is it?

Michaelious 04-30-2006 03:17 PM

I wonder how the family will feel

Splum 04-30-2006 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Michaelious
I wonder how the family will feel

See for yourself
http://www.apple.com/trailers/univer...ook_large.html

Scootermuze 04-30-2006 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
From your links...:
Cell phones usually don't work at high altitudes. When they do, they simultaneously communicate with hundreds of cell towers on the ground, clogging networks.....
To which you replied:
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Originally Posted by Splum
Where the fuck is your information coming from lol? Conspiracy website no doubt if you read it on the internets it must be true! I noticed you didnt provide links lol. Here Ill even put some more proof out there for you from an impartial technical journal...


You made me laugh out loud on that one..

That information is on the link that YOU GAVE ME when you called me a liar!!!
Perhaps you should read something before you provide links to it in your lame attempts to act as though you know something...

As for me giving you links.. I gave references... Look em up.. Don't be suck a lazy ass.... :)

Splum 04-30-2006 04:04 PM

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The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA's air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft. During the first broadcast, the captain or first officer could be heard declaring "Mayday" amid the sounds of a physical struggle in the cockpit. The second radio transmission, 35 seconds later, indicated that the fight was continuing. The captain or first officer could be heard shouting:" Hey get out of here-get out of here-get out of here."
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Shortly thereafter, the passengers and flight crew began a series of calls from GTE airphones and cellular phones. These calls between family, friends, and colleagues took place until the end of the flight and provided those on the ground with firsthand accounts. They enabled the passengers to gain critical information, including the news that two aircraft had slammed into the World Trade Center.
These quotes provided straight from the NON PARTISAN 9/11 COMMISSION - Democrats and Republicans alike.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

directfiesta 04-30-2006 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Why would the government go through all the trouble of this huge operation of flying planes, and faking manifests, and carrying on with this HUGE conspiracy, and not research that Cell phones dont work on airplanes according to Direct Cum Fiesta, and Scootermuzehead...... Doesnt make much sense does it? The government would plan this apparently for years and years in order to get all the details right. Have thousands of people keeping their mouths shut, and yet somehow not check into the chances of cell phones working on aircraft? hmmmmm Common sense. Look into it K? :winkwink:


Please quote where I say or even imply it is a " gov. conspiracy " ... You really are sick ... I just said that it is a spin to a story to make " a feel good " feeling to americans .... just like Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman ....
:Learn to read moron ....

And to the SPLUM, here are more links :

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cell+p...en-US:official

OK, so source one is no good, neither source two and three.. so they are ALL not good... Cell phones don't work .. OK...

They Do ???? So YOU SUPPLY THE links to they do ... should be easy .. no ?

A bit like if you ask me to suply proof that a plane can fly at 25 000 feet ...

So go ahead, prove that cell phones work at that altitude ....

Splum 04-30-2006 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
OK, so source one is no good, neither source two and three.. so they are ALL not good... Cell phones don't work .. OK...They Do ???? So YOU SUPPLY THE links to they do ... should be easy .. no ? A bit like if you ask me to suply proof that a plane can fly at 25 000 feet ...So go ahead, prove that cell phones work at that altitude ....

I have provided plenty of impartial links that those calls were made including the 9/11 commission report link(http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm) or here let me give you this link from an impartial technology non-profit organization(http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cf...ContentID=3309) that states cell phones certainly do work on airplanes. Also you fail to explain why would scores of families lie about receiving in flight phone calls from their loved ones? So now you are calling the families liars? Also many of those links that Google pulls up are conspiracy theory websites dude lol, not all but many and I would hardly consider some teenage kid writing a conspiracy theory website a SOURCE.


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