Someone just sent me this link : MPA3 + NaughtyBank - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 04-23-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oystein

Franck, Verbal Kint, TheSenator, and all others with questions are hereby invited to come to my office (bring a PHP and SQL expert if you dont know it yourself) and get full access to the source code to see for yourself how it is built - and stop being so childish and accuse top notch people of things with unsubstantiated rubbish.

This is business, not a kindergarden, and you should treat people like you want to be treated yourself. This is ridiculus.

Jayman stood up and said what is right here and you should listen to him and other well respected program owners alike.

If you dont take my invitation serious, then you are not serious yourself.

Call me anytime to schedule it all. We are located in Los Angeles. Looking forward to seeing you all here.

Oystein

Im not saying they shave...

I just wonder why that code is there if they never had mpa2 and there is no shaving module in mpa3. Looks like nobody is gonna answer that.

Theo · 04-23-2006, 12:12 PM

Oysten, possible you are right but comments like "offesting webmaster fraud" put MPA back to old status in the eyes of many webmasters. What would be really smart is to come up with a straight attitude and admit you were aware of what you were doing and you have regretted it.

2HousePlague · 04-23-2006, 12:17 PM

This reminds me of a story called "Family Doctor". A middle-aged couple and their teenage daughter all go to the same doctor.

First the man has his appointment:

MAN: "Doc, I need some condoms."
DOCTOR: "Why? You are married and I gave you a vasectomy last year."
MAN: "Errr... I am fucking whores on the side."
DOCTOR: "Hmmmkay... here's a box of a dozen."
MAN: "Thanks, Doc!"

Then the wife has her appointment:

WIFE: "Doctor, will you fit me for a diaphragm?"
DOCTOR: [Scratches head] "... sure."

Then the daughter has hers:

DAUGHTER: "Put me on the pill, Doc."
DOCTOR: "I can't... you're only 15, I need your parents permission."
DAUGHTER: "Hmmmkay"

A month later the Doctor has made an appointment with all three at the same time, unbeknownst to them. Surprised to see each other there, the Doctor sits them down and says:

"I have test results back and some news for each of you."

To the man he says: "I have good news and bad news. Which do you want first?"

MAN: "The good news."
DOCTOR: "Your daughter is not pregnant."
MAN: "So, what's the bad?"
DOCTOR: "I've been fucking her in the ass for a month."

Then he turns to the wife: "Same goes for you, I have good news and bad."

WIFE: "I'll take the bad first."
DOCTOR: "You have genital warts."
WIFE: "And the good?"
DOCTOR: "You are also not pregnant."

Finally, he turns to the daughter: "Well?"

DAUGHTER: "Gimme the bad first."
DOCTOR: "We're breaking up."
DAUGHTER: "Awww, what's the good news?"
DOCTOR: "I called the Family Planning clinic across town and they have a great big box of condoms for you,."

The moral of the story: "Protection" is a relative term.

2hp

sonofsam · 04-23-2006, 12:54 PM

Jake: You think i have something to benefit by accusing you of shaving?

I didn't say or imply you guys shaved. I just found that link VERY interesting and thought i'd share it... if there is nothing wrong with it, then you guys have nothing to worry about.

the fact that you guys took the page down though, probably made it look worse then what it was.

Jakke PNG · 04-23-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

the fact that you guys took the page down though, probably made it look worse then what it was.

Not sure if they want to shout any of their DB structure to the word.

Sly · 04-23-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

the fact that you guys took the page down though, probably made it look worse then what it was.

Not really. That "page" shouldn't have ever been web accessible to begin with. By taking it down they corrected the error.

Why would you have posted this thread if you didn't want to cause harm? Releasing something like this to the wonderful assuming folks of GFY was only going to lead to problems. You should have known that. Actions like this only show how you don't think before you act.

baddog · 04-23-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

baddog shut the fuck up you washed up biker dork

christ you're annoying....

Know it all, whiny, crybaby, punk ass 19 year old kids should keep their mouths shut and their eyes and ears open.

You starting this thread has caused you more long term damage than you will ever know.

sonofsam · 04-23-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Know it all, whiny, crybaby, punk ass 19 year old kids should keep their mouths shut and their eyes and ears open.

You starting this thread has caused you more long term damage than you will ever know.

shut the fuck up geezer

if you havn't noticed, i don't give a fuck what people think about me...

unlike most of you cowards, i will say what is on my mind... regardless of bullshit board politics

so go fuck yourself baddog

baddog · 04-23-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

shut the fuck up geezer

if you havn't noticed, i don't give a fuck what people think about me...

unlike most of you cowards, i will say what is on my mind... regardless of bullshit board politics

so go fuck yourself baddog

Explains why Julia Blue was such a success

baddog · 04-23-2006, 01:37 PM

I have to wonder why you thought send me that link was going to work in your favor.

sonofsam · 04-23-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Explains why Julia Blue was such a success

coulda been worse... coulda ended up like your PR service

Fetish · 04-23-2006, 01:51 PM

MPA seems like a very solid product and the customers that I have spoken to that use them are very happy with the software and support.

baddog · 04-23-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

coulda been worse... coulda ended up like your PR service

Really? How is that?

Zero monetary investment and it makes money. How much did you spend to make no money?

Dirty F · 04-23-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Im not saying they shave...

I just wonder why that code is there if they never had mpa2 and there is no shaving module in mpa3. Looks like nobody is gonna answer that.

Alky · 04-23-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

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Originally Posted by Alky

one thing i don't understand is if there was a shaving feature in mpa2 then the tables in sql would be named mpa2_ etc.

so the php removal tool would have to alter the mpa2_* stuff. it would not be altering mpa3_* unless there was some sort of shaving feature in mpa3.

that is unless of course you just decided in mpa2 to plan ahead and call everything mpa3.

Doctor Dre · 04-23-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Wait . . . you mean to tell me you are going to choose a piece of software based on whether or not it has more features than what you need/want?

That is like saying you are sticking with DOS because Windows has that annoying calculator function that I will never use.

hes right on this one thought...

If a program knew it had a shave feature, they obviously thought about what could be the outcome years later and the possible allegations ... no ?

baddog · 04-23-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

hes right on this one thought...

If a program knew it had a shave feature, they obviously thought about what could be the outcome years later and the possible allegations ... no ?

I try to not make presumptions about the thought processes of others.

Doctor Dre · 04-23-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Oysten, possible you are right but comments like "offesting webmaster fraud" put MPA back to old status in the eyes of many webmasters. What would be really smart is to come up with a straight attitude and admit you were aware of what you were doing and you have regretted it.

Told them that years ago, but they like to play it like the Bush admin and hope everybody forgets...

MPA3 is a great software, and I dont see anybody here question that. People are questioning the integrity of the people behind it.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-23-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Mpa3 never had a shave module you said. You never had mpa2. Then why do you have this anti shaving thing?

? .............

Due · 04-23-2006, 02:30 PM

Not sure if this is correct or not, but I think when a MP3 is installed, what is done is first copying or renaming ALL old tables into new tables. From Mpa2 to Mpa3
To speed up that process, you first do the rename / copy part, verify data is handled correct and THEN you "drop unused" fields.
Setup process is usually done through scripts, like the SQL script (did not see the code, was 404), since they had a lot of old customers wanted to upgrade, and most likely a lot of new customers because of the version update, then I could suspect they delay the "boring part", wich is writing new install scripts.
As they would already have a install script for Mpa2, and they already have the database converter script it is most likely a lot faster setting up the DB for Mpa2 and then do the upgrade to Mpa3.
Then you dont need "2 sets of install scripts", 2 sets of install scripts is also bad, especially after a version update since you need to change same data 2 places, giving higher riscs for errors whenever a bug is detected.
I do have a server with a Mpa3 copy installed, no longer active, as a programmer I ofcourse spend a lot of time going through all the files (many are encoded though) and also spend alot of time going through the database structure, and there was absolutely nothing showing evidence of any kind of shaving mechanism build into mpa3.
Oystein your office is a long way away from Denmark, can you just E-mail me the full source instead??

2HousePlague · 04-23-2006, 03:31 PM

quattro, cinque, sei... -

2hp

SmokeyTheBear · 04-23-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Due

Not sure if this is correct or not, but I think when a MP3 is installed, what is done is first copying or renaming ALL old tables into new tables. From Mpa2 to Mpa3
To speed up that process, you first do the rename / copy part, verify data is handled correct and THEN you "drop unused" fields.
Setup process is usually done through scripts, like the SQL script (did not see the code, was 404), since they had a lot of old customers wanted to upgrade, and most likely a lot of new customers because of the version update, then I could suspect they delay the "boring part", wich is writing new install scripts.
As they would already have a install script for Mpa2, and they already have the database converter script it is most likely a lot faster setting up the DB for Mpa2 and then do the upgrade to Mpa3.
Then you dont need "2 sets of install scripts", 2 sets of install scripts is also bad, especially after a version update since you need to change same data 2 places, giving higher riscs for errors whenever a bug is detected.
I do have a server with a Mpa3 copy installed, no longer active, as a programmer I ofcourse spend a lot of time going through all the files (many are encoded though) and also spend alot of time going through the database structure, and there was absolutely nothing showing evidence of any kind of shaving mechanism build into mpa3.
Oystein your office is a long way away from Denmark, can you just E-mail me the full source instead??

souinds reasonable , but as a program owner i certainly wouldn't want an outdated script that was rumoured to be untrustworthy installed first.. then the "good" version installed over it.. seems to me if they want to make a fresh start they shouldnt begin by installing the "questionable" version first , wouldnt want any part of the "questionable" script on my server because it reflects poorly upon me when things like this happen
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for those having trouble following along he is saying instead of installing mpa3 to new clients they basically install mpa2 then upgrade it.. ( or his theory anyways, but sound plausible )

baddog · 04-23-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

souinds reasonable , but as a program owner i certainly wouldn't want an outdated script that was rumoured to be untrustworthy installed first.. then the "good" version installed over it.. seems to me if they want to make a fresh start they shouldnt begin by installing the "questionable" version first , wouldnt want any part of the "questionable" script on my server because it reflects poorly upon me when things like this happen
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I am going to go back to the Windows analogy.

So, if you had Windows 95, you would not use the upgrade disk to install 98?

I don't think the (mpa) software itself was questionable, just the use of some of the available features.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-23-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I am going to go back to the Windows analogy.

So, if you had Windows 95, you would not use the upgrade disk to install 98?

I don't think the (mpa) software itself was questionable, just the use of some of the available features.

I understand your point , like i said its completely plausible ,

but because of the previous " problems " associated with the previous version , i would expect a fresh start not an upgrade with names like "shave" that may be percieved to be "shady" by potential clients..

The 95 - 98 analogy isnt exactly the best analogy..

If bill gates had built a component into windows 95 that allowed your i.s.p. to steal money from you, then you can be DAMN sure i wouldn't use an upgraded version of it when i paid for 98 and never used the 95..

This being said , all that matter is consumer confidence , and although this is more than likely nothing more than what was explained by oystein, it sure helps when your more transparent about things..

StuartD · 04-23-2006, 04:59 PM

You guys think to 2 dimensionally... software isn't generally written in two stages, it's written in one.

They don't write an "install" script and an "upgrade" script... they write both into "one script."

Hense, if you buy mpa3 (at least in the beginning of it's release), you would receive a script that would either A) install if no mpa2 is present... or B) upgrade from mpa2 if present.

Why would that be there if they didn't have mpa2 first? Because that's just how the script was written!

Why would they send 2 different sets of scripts off to customers based on what their previous systems were when they can just send one script that does it all?

irbobo · 04-23-2006, 05:00 PM

Yah... hmm.. this really causes me concern.

DutchTeenCash · 04-23-2006, 05:09 PM

no matter how you look at it - everytime this pops up its bad rep, removing stuff that was totally ok, features that arent there but still need to be added in the command line and page long replies that its all ok now.

xlogger · 04-23-2006, 07:50 PM

Well, lets look at one thing.

If they really wanted to shave why switch to mpa3? Why not stay with mp2?

Thread closed.

xlogger · 04-23-2006, 07:54 PM

^ thats mpa2 above, stupid typo

2HousePlague · 05-22-2006, 01:37 AM

... sette, otto, nove...

2hp

The Ghost · 05-22-2006, 01:42 AM

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04-23-2006, 12:17 PM	#103
2HousePlague CURATOR Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the attic Posts: 14,572	This reminds me of a story called "Family Doctor". A middle-aged couple and their teenage daughter all go to the same doctor. First the man has his appointment: MAN: "Doc, I need some condoms." DOCTOR: "Why? You are married and I gave you a vasectomy last year." MAN: "Errr... I am fucking whores on the side." DOCTOR: "Hmmmkay... here's a box of a dozen." MAN: "Thanks, Doc!" Then the wife has her appointment: WIFE: "Doctor, will you fit me for a diaphragm?" DOCTOR: [Scratches head] "... sure." Then the daughter has hers: DAUGHTER: "Put me on the pill, Doc." DOCTOR: "I can't... you're only 15, I need your parents permission." DAUGHTER: "Hmmmkay" A month later the Doctor has made an appointment with all three at the same time, unbeknownst to them. Surprised to see each other there, the Doctor sits them down and says: "I have test results back and some news for each of you." To the man he says: "I have good news and bad news. Which do you want first?" MAN: "The good news." DOCTOR: "Your daughter is not pregnant." MAN: "So, what's the bad?" DOCTOR: "I've been fucking her in the ass for a month." Then he turns to the wife: "Same goes for you, I have good news and bad." WIFE: "I'll take the bad first." DOCTOR: "You have genital warts." WIFE: "And the good?" DOCTOR: "You are also not pregnant." Finally, he turns to the daughter: "Well?" DAUGHTER: "Gimme the bad first." DOCTOR: "We're breaking up." DAUGHTER: "Awww, what's the good news?" DOCTOR: "I called the Family Planning clinic across town and they have a great big box of condoms for you,." The moral of the story: "Protection" is a relative term. 2hp __________________ tada!

04-23-2006, 12:54 PM	#104
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04-23-2006, 02:30 PM	#120
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	Not sure if this is correct or not, but I think when a MP3 is installed, what is done is first copying or renaming ALL old tables into new tables. From Mpa2 to Mpa3 To speed up that process, you first do the rename / copy part, verify data is handled correct and THEN you "drop unused" fields. Setup process is usually done through scripts, like the SQL script (did not see the code, was 404), since they had a lot of old customers wanted to upgrade, and most likely a lot of new customers because of the version update, then I could suspect they delay the "boring part", wich is writing new install scripts. As they would already have a install script for Mpa2, and they already have the database converter script it is most likely a lot faster setting up the DB for Mpa2 and then do the upgrade to Mpa3. Then you dont need "2 sets of install scripts", 2 sets of install scripts is also bad, especially after a version update since you need to change same data 2 places, giving higher riscs for errors whenever a bug is detected. I do have a server with a Mpa3 copy installed, no longer active, as a programmer I ofcourse spend a lot of time going through all the files (many are encoded though) and also spend alot of time going through the database structure, and there was absolutely nothing showing evidence of any kind of shaving mechanism build into mpa3. Oystein your office is a long way away from Denmark, can you just E-mail me the full source instead?? __________________ I buy plugs Skype: Due_Global /Due

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04-23-2006, 12:12 PM	#102
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Oysten, possible you are right but comments like "offesting webmaster fraud" put MPA back to old status in the eyes of many webmasters. What would be really smart is to come up with a straight attitude and admit you were aware of what you were doing and you have regretted it.

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