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woj · 04-22-2006, 10:04 PM

50........

DamageX · 04-22-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourd

It's not only about the amount of hits to the site, but also about the productivity. A decent no-skim TGP sends way more traffic to galleries than most skim TGPs.

Yeah, yeah, what do you know?

People pay for being listed on high-traffic sites, it's an honor.

Brujah · 04-22-2006, 10:17 PM

51......

digifan · 04-22-2006, 10:34 PM

My vote goes for skim free as usual. It takes more time and work to develop a clean site like that nowadays but worth it in the long run.

digifan · 04-22-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

51......

Hey Brujah...

MarkMan · 04-22-2006, 10:35 PM

people let me know when the network is up.. becouse i want to join

DamageX · 04-22-2006, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digifan

My vote goes for skim free as usual. It takes more time and work to develop a clean site like that nowadays but worth it in the long run.

You do realize that sending traffic to trades from hardlinked thumbs isn't really skim free, right? It's more like trading totally blind traffic.

DamageX · 04-22-2006, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkMan

people let me know when the network is up.. becouse i want to join

ICQ me, 1566665.

4Pics · 04-23-2006, 12:20 AM

interesting thread, I think the skim is high because of the ads that sites run, either they run Amateurmatch or Adultfriendfinder or they pretty much just run hosted galleries. But they make enuff from galleries and the ad spots that it doesn't matter.

I think we'll see some sort of change happen, since the thumb sizes now are gigantic, so we're due for something different.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2006, 12:45 AM

The problem arises because you have people building sites who have little to no knowledge of how to create, build and run a business, running websites or driving traffic.

It's obvious there are three kinds of surfers. The ones who buy porn, the ones who might and the ones who will never buy. But they are all counted the same as clicks and traffic.

So trade 50% of them to this guy, who sends 50% back, who again trades 50% with another guy and so on. Look at it from the view of the three surfer types.

Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more.

Possible Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more. But WHT it's more free porn.

Free Surfer. More free porn.

Think of it from the TGP owner. I have 100,000 surfers going through my site every hour.

Problem is to open a TGP site without trades takes money, skills and hard work. Much better to short cut the process and just tell the submitters how many clicks I have.

I laugh when people tell me they have to have the content that is inside the site, otherwise the member WILL get upset and might charge back. Plus a guy falls in love with the girl he sees on gallery.

They then submit to a TGP that spins surfers around the Internet.

DamageX · 04-23-2006, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The problem arises because you have people building sites who have little to no knowledge of how to create, build and run a business, running websites or driving traffic.

It's obvious there are three kinds of surfers. The ones who buy porn, the ones who might and the ones who will never buy. But they are all counted the same as clicks and traffic.

So trade 50% of them to this guy, who sends 50% back, who again trades 50% with another guy and so on. Look at it from the view of the three surfer types.

Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more.

Possible Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more. But WHT it's more free porn.

Free Surfer. More free porn.

Think of it from the TGP owner. I have 100,000 surfers going through my site every hour.

Problem is to open a TGP site without trades takes money, skills and hard work. Much better to short cut the process and just tell the submitters how many clicks I have.

I laugh when people tell me they have to have the content that is inside the site, otherwise the member WILL get upset and might charge back. Plus a guy falls in love with the girl he sees on gallery.

They then submit to a TGP that spins surfers around the Internet.

I see running a paysite has helped you understand traffic better.

Paul Markham · 04-23-2006, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

I see running a paysite has helped you understand traffic better.

Nothing to do with traffic, it's basic business knowledge. Just applied it to traffic.

DamageX · 04-23-2006, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Nothing to do with traffic, it's basic business knowledge. Just applied it to traffic.

As did I.

04-23-2006, 03:18 AM

I don't skim a single hit on any of my sites... And like I've told people before: A network of non-skim sites doing a total of 100k a day beats the hell out of a 250k a day skim TGP/MGP.

JD · 04-23-2006, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shermsshack

I don't skim a single hit on any of my sites... And like I've told people before: A network of non-skim sites doing a total of 100k a day beats the hell out of a 250k a day skim TGP/MGP.

Bourd · 04-23-2006, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shermsshack

I don't skim a single hit on any of my sites... And like I've told people before: A network of non-skim sites doing a total of 100k a day beats the hell out of a 250k a day skim TGP/MGP.

And I'm sure you are being generous. I wouldn't trade my 65k no-skim TGP for a 300k skim TGP.

SmutGiant · 04-28-2006, 07:53 PM

Let the skimmers skim. they'll just end up killing themselves off in the end and there will be more traffic for everyone else

Skimming is very short term fast buck thinking imo... as the internet evolves, surfers wont stand for shit like that and will find something better by either searching for it or hearing about it from someone else.

DamageX · 05-12-2006, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmutGiant

Let the skimmers skim. they'll just end up killing themselves off in the end and there will be more traffic for everyone else

Skimming is very short term fast buck thinking imo... as the internet evolves, surfers wont stand for shit like that and will find something better by either searching for it or hearing about it from someone else.

I don't know, skimming has been going on for 10+ years, think it's gonna die any time soon?

JD · 05-12-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

I don't know, skimming has been going on for 10+ years, think it's gonna die any time soon?

slavery was around for a long time too. but that's gone now...We need an Abraham Lincoln of TGP's

Devilporn · 05-12-2006, 12:45 PM

Let me know as well when you start your no skim project DamageX, I'm interested.
And I really hope more people would start to make no skim sites.
I also think text sites would be much better as all those big thumbs sites.
Think of it for 2 seconds....anyone from any country will click a thumb but good luck having that surfer understand your sales pitch on the gallery if he doesn't understand the language.
Whereas with text sites, if the surfer does not speak the language the descriptions are written with, he is less likely to start clicking everything, you weed out a ton of non productive traffic that way and have better chances to make some sales.
Just my 2 cents

PS: if any of you guys have real no skim sites that send a good amount to galleries, we would be happy to have you on board with Submitpasses...we really do believe that traffic from these sites have a very good value, that's why sites like Pinkworld, Elephant List and etc are often sold out

rowan · 05-12-2006, 01:27 PM

I'm also interested in any sort of no skim co-op. I have a very modest offering but I've recently played around with the layout and have managed to get the prod above 600%, with a trade return of 78%. Now I just need more traffic.

JD · 05-12-2006, 02:39 PM

rowan and Devilporn, the fun begins sooooooooon

AmateurFlix · 05-12-2006, 03:24 PM

I've got a few no skim sites as well I'm frequently looking for trades on.

Devilporn · 05-15-2006, 06:15 AM

bump for an interesting thread

Screaming · 05-15-2006, 06:16 AM

surfers are by now used to not getting what they want when they click.

crockett · 05-15-2006, 06:18 AM

Well since you bumped the thread.. I've personally been raising the skim on one of my sites. It's currently set at 80% skim and at 50k + or - on any given day. I hope to be 100% no skim on that site in 3 months with the same traffic levels.

Za Ha · 05-15-2006, 06:54 AM

Great post!
Here are my 2 cents.
No skim takes a lot of time and money to build to a big site (at least 50k no skim)
However, with that same time and money one can easily build a 300-400k a day network between a few sites that skim. In my experience I have found that #s are king, because you can feed, slowly lower skim, build better network of contacts, and most likely make more money if you know how to market well on your site.

Za Ha · 05-15-2006, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shermsshack

I don't skim a single hit on any of my sites... And like I've told people before: A network of non-skim sites doing a total of 100k a day beats the hell out of a 250k a day skim TGP/MGP.

I takes a TON of money to get from 0-100k non skim today. And to go from 0-250k will cost you a few hundred bucks (maybe a grand max).

crockett · 05-15-2006, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Za Ha

I takes a TON of money to get from 0-100k non skim today. And to go from 0-250k will cost you a few hundred bucks (maybe a grand max).

Hey i'll give yea 2k to get me 250k a day on one of my skim sites.

dynastoned · 05-15-2006, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Za Ha

I takes a TON of money to get from 0-100k non skim today. And to go from 0-250k will cost you a few hundred bucks (maybe a grand max).

where do you buy your traffic from?

Devilporn · 05-15-2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

Well since you bumped the thread.. I've personally been raising the skim on one of my sites. It's currently set at 80% skim and at 50k + or - on any given day. I hope to be 100% no skim on that site in 3 months with the same traffic levels.

Yeah, I read that thread about it on another board....god luck with the switch

Theo · 05-19-2006, 03:24 PM

bump for a nice thread

JD · 05-19-2006, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Za Ha

I takes a TON of money to get from 0-100k non skim today. And to go from 0-250k will cost you a few hundred bucks (maybe a grand max).

it may take a ton of $ but it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more valuable

SmutGiant · 05-19-2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

it may take a ton of $ but it's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more valuable

Theo · 05-19-2006, 03:40 PM

if you run non-skimming sites send me an email and I can more likely meet even the most crazy demand. Sites with large bookmarkers base have both extremely good ratios and send a significant volume of sales at our sites.

04-22-2006, 10:04 PM	#51
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04-22-2006, 10:17 PM	#53
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04-22-2006, 10:34 PM	#54
digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	My vote goes for skim free as usual. It takes more time and work to develop a clean site like that nowadays but worth it in the long run. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

04-23-2006, 12:45 AM	#60
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The problem arises because you have people building sites who have little to no knowledge of how to create, build and run a business, running websites or driving traffic. It's obvious there are three kinds of surfers. The ones who buy porn, the ones who might and the ones who will never buy. But they are all counted the same as clicks and traffic. So trade 50% of them to this guy, who sends 50% back, who again trades 50% with another guy and so on. Look at it from the view of the three surfer types. Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more. Possible Buyer. Fuck this I want to see what raised my dick and find out more. But WHT it's more free porn. Free Surfer. More free porn. Think of it from the TGP owner. I have 100,000 surfers going through my site every hour. Problem is to open a TGP site without trades takes money, skills and hard work. Much better to short cut the process and just tell the submitters how many clicks I have. I laugh when people tell me they have to have the content that is inside the site, otherwise the member WILL get upset and might charge back. Plus a guy falls in love with the girl he sees on gallery. They then submit to a TGP that spins surfers around the Internet. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-12-2006, 12:45 PM	#70
Devilporn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal , Quebec Posts: 676	Let me know as well when you start your no skim project DamageX, I'm interested. And I really hope more people would start to make no skim sites. I also think text sites would be much better as all those big thumbs sites. Think of it for 2 seconds....anyone from any country will click a thumb but good luck having that surfer understand your sales pitch on the gallery if he doesn't understand the language. Whereas with text sites, if the surfer does not speak the language the descriptions are written with, he is less likely to start clicking everything, you weed out a ton of non productive traffic that way and have better chances to make some sales. Just my 2 cents PS: if any of you guys have real no skim sites that send a good amount to galleries, we would be happy to have you on board with Submitpasses...we really do believe that traffic from these sites have a very good value, that's why sites like Pinkworld, Elephant List and etc are often sold out __________________ TASTY DOLLARS Solo Girls \| Hardcore Teens \| Milfs Need a good upsell for your members area? Check our TastyFreeFeeds Contact me: ICQ: 323729438 \| E-mail: hubert at tastydollars.com

04-22-2006, 10:35 PM	#56
MarkMan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Money Land Posts: 1,370	people let me know when the network is up.. becouse i want to join

04-23-2006, 12:20 AM	#59
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	interesting thread, I think the skim is high because of the ads that sites run, either they run Amateurmatch or Adultfriendfinder or they pretty much just run hosted galleries. But they make enuff from galleries and the ad spots that it doesn't matter. I think we'll see some sort of change happen, since the thumb sizes now are gigantic, so we're due for something different.

04-23-2006, 03:18 AM	#64
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I don't skim a single hit on any of my sites... And like I've told people before: A network of non-skim sites doing a total of 100k a day beats the hell out of a 250k a day skim TGP/MGP.

04-28-2006, 07:53 PM	#67
SmutGiant Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,895	Let the skimmers skim. they'll just end up killing themselves off in the end and there will be more traffic for everyone else Skimming is very short term fast buck thinking imo... as the internet evolves, surfers wont stand for shit like that and will find something better by either searching for it or hearing about it from someone else.

05-12-2006, 01:27 PM	#71
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I'm also interested in any sort of no skim co-op. I have a very modest offering but I've recently played around with the layout and have managed to get the prod above 600%, with a trade return of 78%. Now I just need more traffic.

05-12-2006, 02:39 PM	#72
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	rowan and Devilporn, the fun begins sooooooooon

05-12-2006, 03:24 PM	#73
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	I've got a few no skim sites as well I'm frequently looking for trades on. __________________

05-15-2006, 06:15 AM	#74
Devilporn Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Montreal , Quebec Posts: 676	bump for an interesting thread __________________ TASTY DOLLARS Solo Girls \| Hardcore Teens \| Milfs Need a good upsell for your members area? Check our TastyFreeFeeds Contact me: ICQ: 323729438 \| E-mail: hubert at tastydollars.com

05-15-2006, 06:16 AM	#75
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	surfers are by now used to not getting what they want when they click. __________________

05-15-2006, 06:18 AM	#76
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Well since you bumped the thread.. I've personally been raising the skim on one of my sites. It's currently set at 80% skim and at 50k + or - on any given day. I hope to be 100% no skim on that site in 3 months with the same traffic levels. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

05-15-2006, 06:54 AM	#77
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	Great post! Here are my 2 cents. No skim takes a lot of time and money to build to a big site (at least 50k no skim) However, with that same time and money one can easily build a 300-400k a day network between a few sites that skim. In my experience I have found that #s are king, because you can feed, slowly lower skim, build better network of contacts, and most likely make more money if you know how to market well on your site.

05-19-2006, 03:24 PM	#82
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	bump for a nice thread

05-19-2006, 03:40 PM	#85
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	if you run non-skimming sites send me an email and I can more likely meet even the most crazy demand. Sites with large bookmarkers base have both extremely good ratios and send a significant volume of sales at our sites.