Bush wants to send pornographers to prison for 5 years

[GatorB]

Still love Bush?

"Web site operators posting sexually explicit information must place official government warning labels on their pages or be imprisoned for up to 5 years, the Bush administration proposed Thursday.

A mandatory rating system will "prevent people from inadvertently stumbling across pornographic images on the Internet," Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said at an event in Alexandria, Va.

The Bush administration's proposal would require commercial Web sites to place "marks and notices" to be devised by the Federal Trade Commission on each sexually explicit page. The definition of sexually explicit broadly covers depictions of everything from sexual intercourse and masturbation to "sadistic abuse" and close-ups of fully clothed genital regions.
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Also

"During his speech, Gonzales also warned that Internet service providers must begin to retain records of their customers' activities to aid in future criminal prosecutions and indicated that legislation might be necessary there as well. "

[jollyperv]

1005 days left.

[jollyperv]

Got a link to that article?

[Remastered]

http://news.com.com/Gonzales+calls+f...3-6063554.html

[Remastered]

Here is what a pro-Bush Republican commented in a previous thread:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Hmm what bills has Bush endorsed that are against porn again? For some reasons all the main ones have been written by democrats. hmm, but good job trying to make everyone believe such crap. The republicans understand slowing down the porn industry would kill the economy. Again what bills exactly have been put forth by republicans and endorsed by Bush? Please let me know.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Also

"During his speech, Gonzales also warned that Internet service providers must begin to retain records of their customers' activities to aid in future criminal prosecutions and indicated that legislation might be necessary there as well. "

I have no problem with labeling. If there were an "official" label to put on our sites/pages that all child filtering software would recognize it would go a long ways towards keeping labeled sites out of the govt's crosshairs.

I do however have a BIG problem with ISP's monitoring people's online activities.

[lazzlo]

Bush truly wants to rule the world, I don't like him one bit

[Remastered]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I have no problem with labeling. If there were an "official" label to put on our sites/pages that all child filtering software would recognize it would go a long ways towards keeping labeled sites out of the govt's crosshairs.

I do however have a BIG problem with ISP's monitoring people's online activities.

Agreed, ICRA labels should be used on all pages with adult content.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I have no problem with labeling. If there were an "official" label to put on our sites/pages that all child filtering software would recognize it would go a long ways towards keeping labeled sites out of the govt's crosshairs.

I do however have a BIG problem with ISP's monitoring people's online activities.

Something tells m that's not why they want you to label your sites though. ;)

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Remastered

Agreed, ICRA labels should be used on all pages with adult content.

Right, the only problem with ICRA or PICS labels or even the meta rating tag is that none of them have received full government support...and everyone is using something different.
It would be much better to have one label mandated and then we could all stay on the right side of the law.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I do however have a BIG problem with ISP's monitoring people's online activities.

Appearantly some Bush lovers don't mind this.

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I do however have a BIG problem with ISP's monitoring people's online activities.

I share your concern, Lenny. The Philippine government is supposedly big on the practice mentioned above (with help/collusion with/ from trunk / data line providers) . Started with actions re 'illegal' VOIP, then sexcam, what the fuck's next or going on now? I don't do adult but my discomfort arises from this concept I picked up in the US... called INDIVIDUAL PRIVACY??? (anyone remember that concept )

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Something tells m that's not why they want you to label your sites though. ;)

I think you're seeing monsters under the bed when there aren't any.

If they want to find you they will, if they want to prosecute you for obscenity they will. Do you think that the absence of a label or a registry or an adult only TLD is keeping you hidden?

On the other hand if there is a uniform labeling system AND you happen to be in front of a jury the fact that you used the label will go a long way towards keeping you from looking like a predator.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Are they planning on blocking sites that don't originate in the states? Otherwise the labeling system isn't going to protect anywhere nearly as widely as they would think.

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by Remastered

Agreed, ICRA labels should be used on all pages with adult content.

Great idea...

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Remastered

Here is what a pro-Bush Republican commented in a previous thread:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Hmm what bills has Bush endorsed that are against porn again? For some reasons all the main ones have been written by democrats. hmm, but good job trying to make everyone believe such crap. The republicans understand slowing down the porn industry would kill the economy. Again what bills exactly have been put forth by republicans and endorsed by Bush? Please let me know.

What Bills? Um the one I just posted. Who cares what some democrats did 10 years ago. Did those laws pass? No. By the way the REPUBLICANS have been in power in Congress since 1994 so I don't how the dems could have done anything. Also I am not a dem, so if you are trying to say "looks dems do it too" well so fucking what. Dems are NOT in power so you point is pointless. I only care about those in power than can do things not weak ass groups with no power.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I think you're seeing monsters under the bed when there aren't any.

If they want to find you they will, if they want to prosecute you for obscenity they will. Do you think that the absence of a label or a registry or an adult only TLD is keeping you hidden?

On the other hand if there is a uniform labeling system AND you happen to be in front of a jury the fact that you used the label will go a long way towards keeping you from looking like a predator.

Oh I'm all for the labels. I just don't see Bush, Albert Gonzales, or the government doing anything involving porn without having some other motives.

[The Sultan Of Smut]

Better get a condo quick they're going fast.



My place is in the middle

[chadglni]

I wonder if they will make the label 1200x5000 pixels or something.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Are they planning on blocking sites that don't originate in the states? Otherwise the labeling system isn't going to protect anywhere nearly as widely as they would think.

We're talking about Jesus freak conservatives. They think the US controls the internet. I'm going to enjoy them trying in vain to get the Netherlands to hand over the Hun when he refuses to label his site.

Gonzales : "Um Netherlands, yes we would like you to arrest the Hun and extradite him to the US"

Netherlands: "Why?"

Gonzales: "He didn't put a label on his porn site"

Netherlands: "So"

Gonzales: "It's against US law to not have your porn site labeled"

Netherlands: "He is not a US citizen and he doesn't live in the US. He doesn't have to obey your laws"

Gonzales: "We we think he does. So are you going to arrest him and hand him over?"

Netherlands "No." click....dial tone.....

[justsexxx]

12clicks rocks

[Blogster]

Originally Posted by chadglni

I wonder if they will make the label 1200x5000 pixels or something.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Blogster

Gator, what is your problem with labeling sites now? You think we shouldn't do this?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Gator, what is your problem with labeling sites now? You think we shouldn't do this?

It's who proposing it. Bush and his ilk have made no bones about their desire to rid the web of porn. I question his real motives. Also did you not read the part where he wants all ISPs to keep track of EVERYONE's web activities? WTF is this China. No wonder he and the China ruler are buddies.

I'm sure Hitler had some good ideas too, but would you be for any of them?

[AnneT]

Definitely the main problem is ISPs monitoring surfers actions/transactions. I guess they could have spied on ppl all along but several governments are now advocating (and even trialling) ISP surfer tracking schemes. Seems like a massive violation people's right to privacy. Trouble is, I don't think anyone care about privacy anymore

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by AnneT

Definitely the main problem is ISPs monitoring surfers actions/transactions. I guess they could have spied on ppl all along but several governments are now advocating (and even trialling) ISP surfer tracking schemes. Seems like a massive violation people's right to privacy. Trouble is, I don't think anyone care about privacy anymore

Privacy will be THE issue for the Supreme Court over the next decade. Unfortunately all anyone seemed to care about during the last couple of confirmation hearings was abortion.

[datawookiee]

does that mean all the victoria`s secret posters needs these labels aswell?

fully cloathed genital regions..
thats like saying everyone should wear warning stickers..

warning. i am human, i have genitals.

[FunForOne]

Originally Posted by GatorB

It's who proposing it. Bush and his ilk have made no bones about their desire to rid the web of porn. I question his real motives. Also did you not read the part where he wants all ISPs to keep track of EVERYONE's web activities? WTF is this China. No wonder he and the China ruler are buddies.

I'm sure Hitler had some good ideas too, but would you be for any of them?

Why didn't you copy and paste the entire article. It looks like this started with Clinton.

""""
An idea once proposed by Democrats
The Bush administration's embrace of a rating system backed by criminal penalties is uncannily reminiscent of where the Clinton administration and a Democratic member of Congress were a decade ago.

In the mid-1990s, the then-nascent Internet industry began backing the Platform for Internet Content Selection, or PICS. The idea was simple: let Web sites self-rate, or let a third-party service offer ratings, and permit parents to set their browsers to never show certain types of content. Netscape and Microsoft soon agreed to support it in their browsers.

At a White House summit in July 1997 hosted by President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore, the head of the Lycos search engine proposed that only rated pages would be indexed. (Bob Davis, the president of Lycos at the time, said: "I threw a gauntlet to other search engines in today's meeting saying that collectively we should require a rating before we index pages.") Sen. Patty Murray, a Democrat from Washington state, suggested that misrating a Web site should be a federal crime. And Australian government officials began talking about making self-rating mandatory. """

[aHosting]

Originally Posted by lazzlo

Bush truly wants to rule the world, I don't like him one bit

He is doing everything to twist everything around ;) like his dad.
if he wants to prison pornographers, let him do it. Until they approve the case, he wont be a President anymore...

[fritz]

i believe there is a creeping and somewhat unconcious trend to 'thought policing' - it is 60 years since 'pink triangle yellow star' was accepted human branding in western countries - it hasn't stopped cambodia china korea iran and a 100 other countries from cleansing their culture of impure citizens - the pit count now runs into the millions - there is a slow decline in individual freedoms we enjoy - i am routinely interviewed by australian customs officers simply because i go to russia - it's like 100% now and i am not simply imagining it - i feel safer in Moscow than any city in Australia and i'm not talking about theft - i'm talking about being 'labeled' and dealt with for what is essentially nobody elses fukin business - the girls want to do it - i want to shoot it - and surfers want to look at it!!
i've been pulled up by police in australia for being seen holding a decent looking camera in public.
My business is in amsterdam - my accountant is in amsterdam - my bank account is in amsterdam.
when i was younger i thought you couldn't tell the dutch anything - now i'm glad nobody can tell the dutch anything - i could handle being dutch.
a lot of thoughtless people tout these new laws because they don't see the long term threat to individual freedom.
I'd rather put up with a few creeps than lose my freedom to act.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

I think you're seeing monsters under the bed when there aren't any.

If they want to find you they will, if they want to prosecute you for obscenity they will. Do you think that the absence of a label or a registry or an adult only TLD is keeping you hidden?

On the other hand if there is a uniform labeling system AND you happen to be in front of a jury the fact that you used the label will go a long way towards keeping you from looking like a predator.

Hm, I fully agree with what you're saying, but do you know what's coming next after the labeling?

Now that we have them all labeled how about force all the ISPs to block the labeled websites by default, poooooooof my income drops by 90% ........

[seeric]

USA webmasters = fucked

Webmasters in BFE countries that don't care = fuck you bush and your stupid labels.

end result = filtering content to kids, once again unsuccessful.

[Nicky]

Why hasnt be been assasinated yet?

[Tapaz]

I think that bush is sick .

[thricer]

You gotta be stupid to love Bush

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Hm, I fully agree with what you're saying, but do you know what's coming next after the labeling?

Now that we have them all labeled how about force all the ISPs to block the labeled websites by default, poooooooof my income drops by 90% ........

Like I said initially, you're seeing monsters under the bed where there aren't any.

Sure there are "some" that want to get rid of pornography altogether but that just isn't going to happen. This type of argument sounds eerily similar to the militia people who think that the government is going to use social security numbers to brand us with the mark of the beast.....so they don't register their children for social security numbers.

Forcing 7-11 to put the porno mags behind the counter where kids couldn't see them wasn't the first step towards banning porn mags. IMHO site labeling is very similar to this.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Nicky

Why hasnt be been assasinated yet?

*Note to self*

Nicky is one seriously dumb S.O.B.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Forcing 7-11 to put the porno mags behind the counter where kids couldn't see them wasn't the first step towards banning porn mags. IMHO site labeling is very similar to this.

Those laws are done LOCALLY. big difference

[AmateurFlix]

out of everything these idiots could possibly be doing, they choose to concern themselves with clothed groin pics... sounds about right though given their track record

seriously though, some programs should sort through their client lists and get the dirt on which sites these anti-porn gov't folks are buying memberships to in their spare time. anyone with this much of a problem against nudity and human sexuality is likely buying memberships to tranny sites or extreme bukkake sites or something... the public has a right to know what is going on with their representatives behind closed doors!

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Remastered

Here is what a pro-Bush Republican commented in a previous thread:

and since he wont show up ( owned ), here is for you to know who this Bush supporter is:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Hmm what bills has Bush endorsed that are against porn again? For some reasons all the main ones have been written by democrats. hmm, but good job trying to make everyone believe such crap. The republicans understand slowing down the porn industry would kill the economy. Again what bills exactly have been put forth by republicans and endorsed by Bush? Please let me know.

on the other hand, he is just a naive kid that saw his first boobies in Phoenix ....

[white-rob-like-whoa]

Fuck that.... fuck that

[TheLegacy]

the word that stands out is "proposed" - hasn't happened and more than likely won't. Many just love to drop these little bombshells for political reasons when elections roll around saying, "oh we proposed this bill but the opposition turned it down, therefore the opposition loves porn"

[Dirty Dane]

5 years prison? lol... whats the penalty for parents that fail to raise their kids?

[Phoenix]

how are large link lists and tgps going to enforce the rule of having a marker on every page?

i mean going forward seems easy enough..but what ab out the say one billion pages already out ther eon free sites that dont have any labels?

do they all come down?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

USA webmasters = fucked

Webmasters in BFE countries that don't care = fuck you bush and your stupid labels.

end result = filtering content to kids, once again unsuccessful.

End result = Canadians own the porn industry soon

thanks Bushie..you da best

[dynastoned]

just one more fucking hoop to jump through for these assholes.

[Trixxxia]

Originally Posted by AnneT

Definitely the main problem is ISPs monitoring surfers actions/transactions. I guess they could have spied on ppl all along but several governments are now advocating (and even trialling) ISP surfer tracking schemes. Seems like a massive violation people's right to privacy. Trouble is, I don't think anyone care about privacy anymore

I'm not sure the reason is that they don't care, but I do think that they have been conditioned to feel that it's for the greater good.

When they first started looking for the 'terrorists', they mentioned on all news broadcasts that they were communicating via coded pixels in Porn pics. So Porn is 'fair game'

Notice how the last gruesome murders in the news lately have been affiliated with porn or using some dating site? *Porn is bad*

What you search is now being subpoenaed! Your phone could be tapped - your mail can be opened - soon, someone will be sticking their fingers up your nose to check what you've been smelling. They can strip search you at an airport, photograph you, do whatever they want to know what you ate, expelled and even track back when the last time you had sex is - all in the name of 'security'. What I'm asking is who's protecting us against them? People are being dociled into submission and they don't even see it even if it's at the tip of their nose.

[Nikki_Licks]

I hope the rest of the world tells this Gestapo Nazi president George fuchwad Bush and his nut sucking side kick gonzalas to eat shit and go fuck themselves.

Maybe we should demand a new labeling system for shit dirtbag politicians; How about a swastika tattoo on their foreheads for the good of the people of the world!!!!

We could call it "The New World Order Labeling System" for shitbag politicians like Bush and political buddies...LOL

[BlackCrayon]

i have no problem with labelling but if everyone uses the same 'approved' label that could easily be used to filter out your sites at the isp level. who knows what they are thinking. when i first got into this biz i wanted to move to the states. im glad i didn't. seems like its one thing after another these days.

[iwantchixx]

I have no issues with labeling either..

however..

"close-ups of fully clothed genital regions" I do have a problem with that. What if it's a girl bent over in jeans showing off her ink stain in her back pocket? lol