moniker1

Lets do a little math here. Suppose we get the cheapest ass keywords at 5c a pop. Now we only get half of the revenue cuz the sponsor gets the other half... so about $15 per sale. Now, what kind of conversion do we need pull to even come out in the profit? Unreal conversion! 1:300 just to break even. I'm calling bullshit!!!!!!

For one, I'd like to make money with Adwords, and if anyone can show me the error of my ways - I'd thank you... with $ also.

madawgz

adwords sucks.....

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Libertine

PPS is often about $30-$35 per sale, but aside from that, quite a few program owners actually do campaigns themselves.

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baddog

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.

Damian_Maxcash

I would have thought Adwords did WAY better than 1:300 - This isnt TGP traffic.

Also I doubt anyone would do it for $15 a sale - where did you get that figure from?

vvq

1:300 with adwords traffic? that's horrible. target less broad terms. get off their content network. make sure people know they'll be paying for porn when they click your link. shoot for the #1 spot on the left, or #3 spot on the right. send the traffic to a landing page offering multiple sites in the niche you're targeting. tweak your campaigns as needed.

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chshkt

of course that everything can be achieved... but on what price?

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moniker1

OK I fucked up with the payout amount... let's say it is $30 PPS. Then break-even conversion is 1:600. Still un-real. And that's with 0.05 MINIMUM BID. Any keyword worth shit is multiples of 0.05

Libertine

Ehm, 1:600 is not unreal.

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Sosa

Seems to me you have to have a lot of traffic to make a decent amount with adwords.

Tom_PM

1:300 is horrible

Shoot for less than 1:50 and you're doing well.

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Damian_Maxcash

Go back to school - and I thought my maths was bad

moniker1

Are you telling me you do 1:50 and below on adwords selling porn?

V_RocKs

My account....

One campaign - 1,797 8,322 21.5% $0.05 $95.35

That is 1,797 clicks on 8,322 impressions... .10 average CPC for $95.35



Now sponsors stats:
Total 4681 4440 320 22 $396.95 10 $149.75 0 $0.00 $546.70

4681/4440 raw/unique 320/join page - 22 signups 10 rebills... $546.70 total.

$546.70
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My total profit on this campaign is:
$451.35

You need to try and look and search.. It took me about 3 months to come across the sponsor...

moniker1

btw I wish there was an Edit button on this motherfuckign forum

Splum

Not trying to discredit your numbers there but how do we get 4440 uniques from only 1797 clicks on the ad?

Damian_Maxcash

OK - now its my turn to be an idiot - how did you get 4440 uniques from 1797 clicks?

Tom_PM

yes, regularly.

Work hard and smart and experiment and watch your bottom line like a damn hawk. Learn spreadsheets to do your P&L. It's a business

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moniker1

And that's for what period of time?

Dirty F

I do 1:30 with adwords.

Dollarmansteve

I run the adwords campaigns over here. I currently run one that does between 5 - 8 joins per day converting at 1:20. I have a $100/day cap.

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Pornwolf

It's possible but you definitely can't do it with every sponsor. The more niched you can get the better.

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StuBradley

I do about 1:85 on evalovescum with adwords. I dont know if any of my affiliates use it but I pay $25-30 per signup for her site. I can't see how they could not make a profit unless they were going for overly broad words like "cum".

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V_RocKs

Galleries from TGP/MGP traffic that doesn't convert for shit...

Also I do SE work... so a small portion comes from that too... unfortunately the sponsor in question doesn't have campaign tracking...

So you can attribute about 10% of sales to everything else and 90% to the Adwords campaign it runs in.

V_RocKs

The month.... now multiply it by 10 and you have about what an IT guy would make out of college...

I love this campaign because I set it up last year and haven't touched it since... I just keep getting paid for basically do.... nothing....

vanillaice

Adwords traffic doesn't convert, dont' believe the hype ;)

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V_RocKs

I used to do better than that with some Nasty Dollars ads before someone decided to do them for amounts per click that I was no longer comfortable with.

vanillaice

Quick question to Adwords gurus who use landing pages. What's a good CTR from the landing page to the affiliate? I'm pushing between 70%-85% depending on the landing page / niche. Is that what I should expect, or more? Personally I would think better, but i'm picky. I don't like losing 150-200 clicks every 1k

GatorB

Ok first of all you can get keywords for as low as 1 cent not 5.

Secondly doing revshare with Adwords is retarded. If you have 3 months worth of ad budget money are are willing to wait 3 months to see if can even break even then go for it.

1:300 sucks. If you keywords are perfoming that badly then you need to drop them. Still 1:300 even at 5 cents per click and a sponsor paying $30 per sign up means a 100% profit.

Also depends on how much you spend. Say if you could spend $20K a week and even if you only made 10% profit that's $100K in profit a year. Not bad.

GatorB

That seems about right. You can't expect to get 100% of everyone to go to the sponsor. Those 150-200 probally wouldn't have signed up anyways. But if you want to be sure make 2 ads, one going to the landing page one going directly to the sponsor. This is assuming your sponsor uses campaign codes. Have both ads show equally for the exact same keywords at the same price per click. do this for a month and see which ad makes you more money. Don't worry about conversion ratios in your sponosr stats it's PROFIT that counts.

SmokeyTheBear

i will give everyone the simplest cliff notes

If you buy traffic for 5cents and sell it for 6 cents your making 1 penny

do that a million times and how much money have you made.. ?

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GatorB

A lot of pennies. I'd imagine rolling all those pennies up would take long time.

potter

1:300 ? I do better than that off tgp/babeblog traffic.

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Dollarmansteve

I only get 60% CTR and it is very profitable. This is on 24 unique-IP tracking.

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vanillaice

Since they made the '1 site per search listing', i've been very scared to try to send directly to sponsor. Doesn't it cost a fortune? (unless you find a rare unused sponsor of course) I assume you have to get in shitty bidding wars with people.

vanillaice

Thanks, I was stressing over the 60% today, it definitely makes my 75-80% ratios look better.

vanillaice

My biggest Adwords gripe...

Not only does it seem like they stop reviewing ads at like 1pm on friday afternoon until sometime monday morning, it's getting frustrating to see mid-week changes take 2-3 days now. To be fair though, my last few changes have been completed in about 24 hours, but it does suck when you're A/B testing ads and want to make changes every 50-100 clicks or so.

chadglni

A guy in my downline was pushing around $250,000 per year on paid advertising. About 90% of it was adwords and that was just 1 program out of a dozen or so on his landing page.

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nice thread

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No money on the net..nothing at all. ;)

beemk

how about $30-35 a sale with conversion ratios of 1:50 - 1:100

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GatorB

Yes I've noticed this too. Sometimes it takes over a week to get anything reviewed and that's only because after they get a profanity laced e-mail from me. The last time the person that responded said next time I should e-mail them everytime I want to make a change if I want my ads to be review within 24 hours. That's bullshit. EVERY fucking time? If that's their new policy then fine they should say that and quit saying that your ads will be up within 15 minutes.

And frankly the main reason I use them over Yahoo is because I could change ads and add keywords in an instant. If this is no longer the case I have to seriously consider other options. At least with Yahoo if you pay the $179 for the "pro" level of service you actually get your ads on FIRST then they are reviewed. Which is how it should be. I've been with Adwords for over 4 years and I get treat like a noob? I mean it's stupid if I feel like my ad text needs a change I have to not have my ad shown for DAYS or if I want to add a keyword not have it show up for days and thus lose sales until some lazy fuck from Google finally decides to do his fucking job.

camuseeme

I just got back in the biz so I don't have a lot of traffic sources other than Adwords and Yahoo. I make between 30% -50% profit each week.

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vanillaice

Yea it's pretty stupid that you can spend $30k+ a year with them, but still need every single change you make to your ads reviewed like you're some newbie. And not only do they need to be reviewed, they need to be reviewed before they'll show.

Didn't google have something like the "pro" service included a year or two ago? I seem to remember making changes, seeing them pretty quickly, then getting an e-mail a few days later if my ad was declined for whatever reason.

I don't remember exactly when the extreme slowness started, but I don't think it's always been like it.

Remastered

Fuck I hate these threads, die thread die.

SomeCreep

There is no way to make money with Adwords. Keyword bidding is too high and sponsor payouts are too low. It is best not to try.

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Splum

Hahahaha adwords rules, dont let the haters fool ya there is LOTS of money to be made with it. Ive got my shit set straight so it dont bother me to speak the truth.
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