This sends shivers down my spine - the bloody Chinese are animals.

[Damian_Maxcash]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4921116.stm

Sometimes Im ashamed to be human.

Professor Stephen Wigmore, who chairs the society's ethics committee, told the BBC that the speed of matching donors and patients, sometimes as little as a week, implied prisoners were being selected before execution.

[Turf]

well why is that so bad ??

this way they can pay their debt by allowing someone else to get a better life... hell they where executed anyways so not like they need it anymore! ?

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by Turf

well why is that so bad ??

this way they can pay their debt by allowing someone else to get a better life... hell they where executed anyways so not like they need it anymore! ?

Because China's human rights record is dreadfull - it dosnt take a huge leap of imagination to assume they are executing people to order - whether they have commited a crime or not.

In China everything is a comodity to be bought and sold.

[StuartD]

liver is good with fried onions.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by StuartD

liver is good with fried onions.

'and a fine Chablis'

[SlamDesigns]

Eh, that's a tricky subject. Is it wrong the way that they went about it? Yeah, probably. I didn't read the whole story, but if they were selling the organs, then that is wrong. But on the other hand, if 10 year old "Little Timmy" is laying in a hospital bed and is gonna die if he doesn't get a new heart, and some saddistic rapist, serial killer, etc. is setting on Death Row and his heart is a match...well, I guess you have to decide which life has the most value. In my opinion, the kid that has never had a chance at life is gonna win out every time.

That's just my opinion, but I'll also say this. There was talk of "human rights violations" in that story...but in my opinion, if you're sitting on Death Row, that pretty much means that you have violated the "human rights" of others...and thus, you shouldn't have any human rights anymore. I've seen too much in the papers lately about child molesters/killers, and in my opinion, if harvesting their organs could save another childs life...strap them to the gurney, baby!

[gooddomains]

the should burn in hell

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Turf

well why is that so bad ??

this way they can pay their debt by allowing someone else to get a better life... hell they where executed anyways so not like they need it anymore! ?

You realize this is CHINA and most likey 90% are innocent. Most are just anti-commuist protesters. Something worng with being pro-freedom anti-comunist. You can be shot for looking at porn.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SlamDesigns

Eh, that's a tricky subject. Is it wrong the way that they went about it? Yeah, probably. I didn't read the whole story, but if they were selling the organs, then that is wrong. But on the other hand, if 10 year old "Little Timmy" is laying in a hospital bed and is gonna die if he doesn't get a new heart, and some saddistic rapist, serial killer, etc. is setting on Death Row and his heart is a match...well, I guess you have to decide which life has the most value. In my opinion, the kid that has never had a chance at life is gonna win out every time.

That's just my opinion, but I'll also say this. There was talk of "human rights violations" in that story...but in my opinion, if you're sitting on Death Row, that pretty much means that you have violated the "human rights" of others...and thus, you shouldn't have any human rights anymore. I've seen too much in the papers lately about child molesters/killers, and in my opinion, if harvesting their organs could save another childs life...strap them to the gurney, baby!

That would be fine if it was the States and you could assume they had a fair(ish) trial and had commited a violent crime - then I would say go fo it as well.

[Phoenix]

they must get their transportation boxes from the same supplier of mr.wongs chinese food


seriously though..they have death vans..you get convicted you are dead 20 minutes later..and i agree i bet a good 50% are totally innocent

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by damian2001

'and a fine Chablis'

[justsexxx]

Locking up ppl without trial in Cuba is much better indeed

[Turf]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You realize this is CHINA and most likey 90% are innocent. Most are just anti-commuist protesters. Something worng with being pro-freedom anti-comunist. You can be shot for looking at porn.

well i think that even in china the majority of the people being wacked did something truely bad to deserve it - and again, if i where in the situration of either being in a hospital bed wating to die due to lack of organs or getting a "so so" guilty chinese organ i would choose the "so so" one over dying..

anyhoot unless the US plan on invading china and liberating the poor chinese people from their communist leaders getting your panties in a bunch over this is a waste of time...

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by Turf

....... if i where in the situration of either being in a hospital bed wating to die due to lack of organs or getting a "so so" guilty chinese organ i would choose the "so so" one over dying.. ....

I can honestly say, with my hand on my fully funcioning heart that I would die first.

If someone wants to sell an organ to me then I will take it - but the thought that I can 'order' an organ in my hospital bed and someone on the other side of the world gets killed and 'harvested' is probably one of the most vile things I can imagine.

[Antonio]

Using execution figures from Amnesty International herehahaha8217;s the story:

1. USA hahaha8211; 300 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 20 per 100 million
2. Vietnam hahaha8211; 80 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 75 per 100 million people
3. Iran hahaha8211; 70 million people hahaha8211; 160 executions per year = 230 per 100 million people
4. China hahaha8211; 1.3 billion people hahaha8211; 3,500 executions per year = 270 per 100 million
5. Saudi Arabia hahaha8211; 25 million people hahaha8211; 80 executions per year = 320 per 100 million
6. Singapore hahaha8211; 4 million people hahaha8211; 30 executions per year = 750 per 100 million people


Funny how everybody bitches about China and almost none (with few exceptions) about Singapore, true, jailing people simply because of their political views is pathetic, but the makority of the executed are violent criminals

Go to China to see kids taking the bus on their own late at night, come to South Africa and see GROWN-UPS walking the streets past 7 pm - there're NONE !!!! I support the death penalty 100% - murderers, gang rapists, child molesters, and all the other scum should be shot in the head 5 days after the end of their trials.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Using execution figures from Amnesty International herehahaha8217;s the story:

1. USA hahaha8211; 300 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 20 per 100 million
2. Vietnam hahaha8211; 80 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 75 per 100 million people
3. Iran hahaha8211; 70 million people hahaha8211; 160 executions per year = 230 per 100 million people
4. China hahaha8211; 1.3 billion people hahaha8211; 3,500 executions per year = 270 per 100 million
5. Saudi Arabia hahaha8211; 25 million people hahaha8211; 80 executions per year = 320 per 100 million
6. Singapore hahaha8211; 4 million people hahaha8211; 30 executions per year = 750 per 100 million people


Funny how everybody bitches about China and almost none (with few exceptions) about Singapore, true, jailing people simply because of their political views is pathetic, but the makority of the executed are violent criminals

Go to China to see kids taking the bus on their own late at night, come to South Africa and see GROWN-UPS walking the streets past 7 pm - there're NONE !!!! I support the death penalty 100% - murderers, gang rapists, child molesters, and all the other scum should be shot in the head 5 days after the end of their trials.

Its interesting about Singapore

My mother went their a few years back and she got talking to a Taxi driver about how safe the place was - he told her a few things he probably shouldnt and then got really nervous that he said too much to the wrong person. She had to convince him she wasnt some govt official.

Im not sure that feeling safe at any costs is worth it.

[elitetec]

It makes me puke, they are animals not humans

[justsexxx]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Go to China to see kids taking the bus on their own late at night, come to South Africa and see GROWN-UPS walking the streets past 7 pm - there're NONE !!!! I support the death penalty 100% - murderers, gang rapists, child molesters, and all the other scum should be shot in the head 5 days after the end of their trials.

Lol like if there was no dead penalty in China, ppl would become all more violent...SA is just fucked up...

[Bansheelinks]

In China, the individual is subject to the state, and must constantly submit to the order of the state.

[wdsguy]

You guys are a bunch of morons. I'm sure you are the idiots who claim your own race would never do anything barbaric or inhumane? go read a fucking history book.

[SmokeyTheBear]

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

seriously though..they have death vans..you get convicted you are dead 20 minutes later..and i agree i bet a good 50% are totally innocent

Sorry, with your tin foil hat views on most things, that doesn't go very far.

[baddog]

Personally, I have been advocating that Death Row be turned into a parts house for 20+ years.

[kanalj]

probably a few of them are shot just because they have, say a good liver.

the red dragon awakens...

[warlock5]

Originally Posted by GatorB

You realize this is CHINA and most likey 90% are innocent. Most are just anti-commuist protesters. Something worng with being pro-freedom anti-comunist. You can be shot for looking at porn.

You think China doesn't have real criminals and 90% are just political prisoners? Lets see, China has over a billion people; even if they have a far lower crime rate than the US, they could still have more murderers, rapists, whatever, by number. I was watching a documentary on China, they have trial lawyers going after companies for workers injuries, pollution, etc. just like the US. Not to say they have a perfect system, but neither is the US's.

[leggs]

I'm not certain how this is a violation of human rights....
They are exectuted prisioners...
IE: DEAD!

Better their organs are in someone that needs a chance at life than rotting in the ground.

[seanchai]

Damian you really need to get off your anti-Chinese stance unless you can get them on something other countries aren't doing.
Look at the lovely Thailand and how many they execute yearly? I'm sure in this industry you're contributing to the wealth of Brasil, they execute without trial, the police dragging criminals out of site to shoot them before arrest.

You're just buying into the current anti-Chinese stance, if the country wasn't Communist or politicians weren't able to get votes by making China a scary foreign power, the newspapers would be looking elsewhere.
seanchai

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

lol mmm sweet and sour

[LittleSassy]

china is a weird country....not surprised t all...

[OG LennyT]

Originally Posted by damian2001

In China everything is a comodity to be bought and sold.

stack a billion people in the US and we'll be the same way

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by LittleSassy

china is a weird country....not surprised t all...

Yup, nothing surprises me anymore...

[reynold]

I believe selling your organs must be done voluntarily. Prisoners should not be forced to do so. I mean it's still their organs.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by damian2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4921116.stm

Sometimes Im ashamed to be human.

this has been going on for decades and has been in the news many many many times over the years.

[potter]

china has some fucked up shit going on, people are very expendable in alot of their business

[Matt 26z]

I think China gets a bad wrap sometimes.

There are very contradicting reports of what that country is like. You can turn on TV one day and see a well developed country, and the next they have an extreme human rights violation show where kids are picking food out of mud to eat. So which is true?

They have the Olympics in 2008, and the world media will be there. Then we will get an accurate picture of what's really going on. They won't be able to contain the media to specific parts either. You can bet undercover documentaries are being planned right now.

[BigCashCrew]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

I think China gets a bad wrap sometimes.

There are very contradicting reports of what that country is like. You can turn on TV one day and see a well developed country, and the next they have an extreme human rights violation show where kids are picking food out of mud to eat. So which is true?

They have the Olympics in 2008, and the world media will be there. Then we will get an accurate picture of what's really going on. They won't be able to contain the media to specific parts either. You can bet undercover documentaries are being planned right now.

haha, I don't agree with you on the Olympics. you will only see what they allow you to see. they aren't going out into the peasant farms where 95% of their population lives... where most all of these people on death row are coming from. You guys should read some books on the history of the CCP. Then it will make sense to you.

[Paul]

Top British transplant surgeons have accused China of harvesting the organs of thousands of executed prisoners every year to sell for transplants.

Thats fucking GENIUS

We should do this in the UK to criminals that are serving life sentences

Think how much money the government could make from criminals organs

I've always thought at the very least we should use criminals as test subjects to try new drugs on, but selling their organs is taking it to a new level of intrapreneurialism !

Talk about creating a postive out of a negative

[american pervert]

good for the chinese! atleast they are helping others and not eating those livers

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Coatsy

I've always thought at the very least we should use criminals as test subjects to try new drugs on,

I used to argue with animal rights activists that perhaps we should use prisoners instead of animals to test things on. They never seem to know how to respond to that.

[xroach]

china will pwn all you n00bs

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by baddog

Sorry, with your tin foil hat views on most things, that doesn't go very far.

get over yourself...i bring truth and an open mind....you are still supporting the lone gun man theory

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by baddog

I used to argue with animal rights activists that perhaps we should use prisoners instead of animals to test things on. They never seem to know how to respond to that.

well if that is your actual stance on things..they probably just wanted to get far away from you


you realise how creepy that sounds?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by baddog

Personally, I have been advocating that Death Row be turned into a parts house for 20+ years.

you are obvioulsy unstable...did someone sneak into your computer and write this?

[mazdaman]

Originally Posted by Antonio

Using execution figures from Amnesty International herehahaha8217;s the story:

1. USA hahaha8211; 300 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 20 per 100 million
2. Vietnam hahaha8211; 80 million people hahaha8211; 60 executions per year = 75 per 100 million people
3. Iran hahaha8211; 70 million people hahaha8211; 160 executions per year = 230 per 100 million people
4. China hahaha8211; 1.3 billion people hahaha8211; 3,500 executions per year = 270 per 100 million
5. Saudi Arabia hahaha8211; 25 million people hahaha8211; 80 executions per year = 320 per 100 million
6. Singapore hahaha8211; 4 million people hahaha8211; 30 executions per year = 750 per 100 million people


Funny how everybody bitches about China and almost none (with few exceptions) about Singapore, true, jailing people simply because of their political views is pathetic, but the makority of the executed are violent criminals

Go to China to see kids taking the bus on their own late at night, come to South Africa and see GROWN-UPS walking the streets past 7 pm - there're NONE !!!! I support the death penalty 100% - murderers, gang rapists, child molesters, and all the other scum should be shot in the head 5 days after the end of their trials.

thanks man i did not know about those stats! apart from you supporting the death penalty