Originally Posted by Rand

Trey -- I have hardly heard of anyone complaining that they are getting too many sales. And to be quite honest, if you don't know how or why something is the way it is I think it'd be worth your while to ask appropriate questions instead of making outrageous accusations.

The "store" is a Mastercard regulation. Nothing more and nothing less. The surfer gets to that store from your traffic on the join form. That's the way the regulation works and that is true with ANY U.S. IPSP.

Tech ran the numbers today to see how many Mastercard transactions had taken place compared to overall MasterCard transactions. Ready for this? 0.0035 % of all Mastercard transactions were from the "continue shopping" store. Had you tried doing a test transaction from your site's join form using a Mastercard you'd see how this works.

As for a product code that you don't wish to offer anymore, let me say this... We don't make up product options / codes. We create them from your instructions. If you decide to stop offering an option you should have those specific codes deactivated. If not, they are active and could have been cached, bookmarked, or sold from the "store". If you don't tell us to deactivate a particular option, guess what.. we have no way of knowing any different and we will process sales based on the options you asked us to create.

The CEO of Epoch, Joel Hall, would like to speak to you. Please give us a call. 888-627-3888.

Originally Posted by Rand

Trey -- I have hardly heard of anyone complaining that they are getting too many sales. And to be quite honest, if you don't know how or why something is the way it is I think it'd be worth your while to ask appropriate questions instead of making outrageous accusations.

The "store" is a Mastercard regulation. Nothing more and nothing less. The surfer gets to that store from your traffic on the join form. That's the way the regulation works and that is true with ANY U.S. IPSP.

Tech ran the numbers today to see how many Mastercard transactions had taken place compared to overall MasterCard transactions. Ready for this? 0.0035 % of all Mastercard transactions were from the "continue shopping" store. Had you tried doing a test transaction from your site's join form using a Mastercard you'd see how this works.

As for a product code that you don't wish to offer anymore, let me say this... We don't make up product options / codes. We create them from your instructions. If you decide to stop offering an option you should have those specific codes deactivated. If not, they are active and could have been cached, bookmarked, or sold from the "store". If you don't tell us to deactivate a particular option, guess what.. we have no way of knowing any different and we will process sales based on the options you asked us to create.

The CEO of Epoch, Joel Hall, would like to speak to you. Please give us a call. 888-627-3888.

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If this is the case with paycom, its reasonable to assume ccbill is doing something similiar? If so, does anyone have links to the store feature via ccbill? I'm rather curious to see how this is reflected on other processors as well.
WG

Originally Posted by A1R3K

one thing i can say is i don't think anyone over there is buying any ferarris with the sales on this store. there are no graphics, no text, no info at all, only price points in drop down menus. i actually had to search for TEEN to find a list of sites that i could subscribe too. i think that if they were trying to make money on it instead of it being a "have to do" thing, they would enhance it to make it sell. i'd never buy anything off of that store. thats what makes me lean towards the regulation thing they they are talking about. nothing but dropdowns and textlinks.

heres one of the returns for search term MILF

https://wnu.com/secure/jsp/view_pric...&useSiteDesc=Y

if you were a surfer would you buy anything off of this?

i wouldn't.

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

i am a lil concerned about the join page refreshing when you start to put in your cc info.

that may scare some ppl away.. Rand any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by p1mpdogg

they are. its a master card requirement for over 2 years now. just happens that ALOT of ppl were not notified apparantly.... but i highly doubt its affecting many sales.

i am a lil concerned about the join page refreshing when you start to put in your cc info.

that may scare some ppl away.. Rand any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by A1R3K

heres the part i dont believe is right. most will agree.

being that i am the one that sent that customer to that store inside the processors umbrella, i feel entitled to a piece of whatever they buy. this is not the case. they do not payout to anyone for anything that my customer bought in the store. i asked several times and was told "no". also, should the customer buy something else and like it better they may cancel what they originally purchased instead of rebilling off of the trial, etc, etc. you see where i am going with this.

you learn something new everyday.

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

Originally Posted by Rand

Airek - Damn! -- Who did you speak with? I want names! :mad: :mad:

This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. A sale, if one ever actaully takes place from the "Continue Shopping" experience, is a sale. YOU DO get paid for it. It is NO differenct from any other primary transaction.

Come on!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by SwordFish

Its a good thing no one pointed it out on a highly visible board filled with surfers then! ;)

lol

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Browse thru the pulldown and find the cheapest option of $1 for 5 days which recurs to $9.95. So instead of paying $40/month I get a 75% discount for knowing about the Paycom store. Add to that affiliates won't get credit for the referral.

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

Originally Posted by media

This was one of my biggest concerns, Surfers are NOT as stupid as they used to be.. They are educated by people on how to commit what basicly amounts to consumer fraud by being allowed to join, and charge back or request refunds months later.. You had a membership, this creates expenses, fees, and penalties with chargeback... but hey, we're the black sheep, it's ALWAYS the adult industries fault... I heard Steve Lightspeed say one time "Our industry is the only one that constantly fucks itself" which is pretty true.. lol

Originally Posted by Wiseman

As far as I know this has been in place for a cpl years and is in place for no other reason then it was told to be done by master card for all IPSP'S to basically stay in buisness. and as far as needing explaining it is basically explained as ITS TYHE MASTERCARD LAW. simple enough

Originally Posted by A1R3K

whats this store url trey, i wanna have a look at extreme paychecks and ragecash info.

i dont see any store links anywhere.


thanks.

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I doubt hardly anyone is using this method to join either but what I find interesting is that people can find the cheapest option through this means. For example, say I'm about to join MilfSeeker. Forget joining through the join page since I'll be given the $39.95 option for recurring. Instead, come here:

https://wnu.com/secure/jsp/view_pric...&useSiteDesc=Y

Browse thru the pulldown and find the cheapest option of $1 for 5 days which recurs to $9.95. So instead of paying $40/month I get a 75% discount for knowing about the Paycom store. Add to that affiliates won't get credit for the referral.

This is something both affiliates and paysite owners would never want the public to know about as nobody would join directly through the paysites anymore.
WG

Originally Posted by media

This was one of my biggest concerns, Surfers are NOT as stupid as they used to be.. They are educated by people on how to commit what basicly amounts to consumer fraud by being allowed to join, and charge back or request refunds months later.. You had a membership, this creates expenses, fees, and penalties with chargeback... but hey, we're the black sheep, it's ALWAYS the adult industries fault... I heard Steve Lightspeed say one time "Our industry is the only one that constantly fucks itself" which is pretty true.. lol

Originally Posted by Rand

Airek - Damn! -- Who did you speak with? I want names! :mad: :mad:

This is ABSOLUTELY incorrect. A sale, if one ever actaully takes place from the "Continue Shopping" experience, is a sale. YOU DO get paid for it. It is NO differenct from any other primary transaction.

Come on!!!!!!!!