Bush did WHAT?

[gornyhuy]

So, help me understand this...

1)This guy Wilson was a spy in charge of obtaining intelligence about Iraq's nuclear activities

2)Wilson was trying to expose that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence to justify taking us to war

3)Bush, Cheney, and others exposed Wilson and his wife as a tactic to undermine him

In other words, the president more or less committed treason to help make sure he could take us to war on false pretenses?

Help me out? Am I getting this right?
Where are the riots?
Where are the maddened throngs?

[G-Rotica]

The sheep don't care anymore.

[gornyhuy]

Apparently not.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

So, help me understand this...

1)This guy Wilson was a spy in charge of obtaining intelligence about Iraq's nuclear activities

2)Wilson was trying to expose that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence to justify taking us to war

3)Bush, Cheney, and others exposed Wilson and his wife as a tactic to undermine him

In other words, the president more or less committed treason to help make sure he could take us to war on false pretenses?

Help me out? Am I getting this right?
Where are the riots?
Where are the maddened throngs?

thats what i wouldlike to know..but it is easier to keep your head in the sand


look for 12 clicks to come in here and call us foolish or immature for questioning our others....fuck if we all got pinched hed still be preaching that shit from the cell next to us

[Tom_PM]

Well, they're saying there is no indication that bush/cheney told libbey to leak her name. They're saying he authorized leaks of classified information though, which any president is permitted to do legally.

But, they still have a load of gall to come out and decry leaking and vow to find the leakers and promise to fire anyone who leaks when they knew damn well they'd authorized it themselves.

Liars.

[ContentSHOOTER]

Yup yup yup that's what I done, what you going to do about it

[Damian_Maxcash]

That just about sums it up

but nothing will happen as usual - its the same here - we have the same crap all the time.

So much spin it makes you dizzy until you give up thinking about it and go and stare at some porn instead.

[scardog]

Valerie Plame, someone working for the CIA sent her husband on a mission to discredit Bush on the Iraq/niger Uranium statement. When her husband was asked who sent him, he lied and said Cheney sent him. Bush said who is this guy, and who sent him on a mission he has no experience for? Cheney did not know, and found out it was his wife in the CIA, a Bush hater. Her husband had already outed her on his website, and introduced her at parties as his CIA wife, so she was not a covert agent. The administration decided to get the facts out about who sent him to Niger to discredit them.

If a law was broken, in the mentioning of Valerie Plame to the press, don't worry, impeachment will be coming. If it does not, then I guess we will have to wonder.

Politics is a dirty business! And they want to shut us all down.

[Tom_PM]

The only reason impeachment hasn't begun is because ONE party has control. Thats ALWAYS a problem in our government, and if they were all democrats instead of republicans I'd be saying the same damn thing.

[scardog]

The impeachment doesn't have to succeed. I would hope democrats would stand up and be heard it they think impeachment is the right thing to do.

Feingold wanted to Censure him, and he got absolutely NO backing from any democrats. What's up with that?

[RAM]

Shit I just get out of the shower, Come to my PC, Check Stats and there GOOD....then of course I'm thinking about Jerome Breakfest 2 Eggs, 2 Baccon or Sausage, Toast or Muffin, Coffee or Juice, for only 2 Bucks !!

Now this...

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by scardog

The impeachment doesn't have to succeed. I would hope democrats would stand up and be heard it they think impeachment is the right thing to do.

Feingold wanted to Censure him, and he got absolutely NO backing from any democrats. What's up with that?

I dont think he can be impeached on this - Bush can declassify anything anytime he wants.

So if he said 'leak this info' - it became declassfied by default - so no law was broken.

[ContentSHOOTER]

Originally Posted by RAM

Shit I just get out of the shower, Come to my PC, Check Stats and there GOOD....then of course I'm thinking about Jerome Breakfest 2 Eggs, 2 Baccon or Sausage, Toast or Muffin, Coffee or Juice, for only 2 Bucks !!

Now this...

This is what I had for breakfast

[scardog]

Originally Posted by damian2001

I dont think he can be impeached on this - Bush can declassify anything anytime he wants.

So if he said 'leak this info' - it became declassfied by default - so no law was broken.

Yes, you can't "leak" information that has already been made public by other means either. So no leaking took place, that is why Libby was gotten for lying to them, intead of for leaking classified information. They got him, like they got Martha Stewart. Like I said, a dirty business.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by scardog

The impeachment doesn't have to succeed. I would hope democrats would stand up and be heard it they think impeachment is the right thing to do.

Feingold wanted to Censure him, and he got absolutely NO backing from any democrats. What's up with that?

1. You don't impeach a President because you don't like his policies. Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors," such as Clinton's lying to a grand jury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, filing a false affidavit, etc..

2. Censure is ridiculous too. It says the backers are traitors who don't back a war time President who is doing what HE thinks is right to protect US.

[RAM]

Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER

This is what I had for breakfast

Maybe BUSH should have some more flakes too...!!!

[DaddyHalbucks]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

So, help me understand this...

1)This guy Wilson was a spy in charge of obtaining intelligence about Iraq's nuclear activities

2)Wilson was trying to expose that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence to justify taking us to war

3)Bush, Cheney, and others exposed Wilson and his wife as a tactic to undermine him

In other words, the president more or less committed treason to help make sure he could take us to war on false pretenses?

Help me out? Am I getting this right?
Where are the riots?
Where are the maddened throngs?

I wouldn't characterize it that way. Obviously, there was some jockeying for position by all parties. Bush has the authority to declassify material, which pretty much ends the discussion.

[scardog]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

1. You don't impeach a President because you don't like his policies. Impeachment is for "high crimes and misdemeanors," such as Clinton's lying to a grand jury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, filing a false affidavit, etc..

2. Censure is ridiculous too. It says the backers are traitors who don't back a war time President who is doing what HE thinks is right to protect US.

Double true!

[seven]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

Apparently not.

wait...

12clicks step in here please.

Now that the invitation sent out just wait and see.. he shall be here.

[ContentSHOOTER]

This is Bush is saying about your Constitution I am not Anti American just Anti IDIOTS

[Tom_PM]

It may end the LEGAL discussion, not the political one.

He lied when he decried leaking from his administration (he authorized leaks).

BTW, yesterday the A.G. made reference to the senate committee that he believes the president is authorized to allow the NSA wiretaps of domestic to domestic calls. Expect that story to come out a bit more too.

[Grapesoda]

the crowds are all really busy making sure foreign nationals are getting the right vote and use all of our social services

[czarina]

Nobody is going to stand up! Why? Because of the Patriot Act.
It says clearly that if you rebel against the goverment, they can take you down and put you in prison for as long as they want, without even charging you with a crime.

[ContentSHOOTER]

Originally Posted by czarina

Nobody is going to stand up! Why? Because of the Patriot Act.
It says clearly that if you rebel against the goverment, they can take you down and put you in prison for as long as they want, without even charging you with a crime.

What you said sounds like a POLICE STATE to me

[Doctor Dre]

Sums it up, but you know the official story will be quite different

[ColBigBalls]

Yes but thank god there is at least no gay marriage

[Tom_PM]

lol, you can put easy money on gay marriage becoming a hot issue very soon. Elections are near, lol.

[ContentSHOOTER]

Originally Posted by ColBigBalls

Yes but thank god there is at least no gay marriage

That would be the least of their problems

[nation-x]

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Taken from http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

It has been a serious mystery to me why we would elect the Grandson of someone that had such close ties with Nazi Germany... http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...312540,00.html

Why would someone spend $200 Million Dollars to gain the presidency? $50 Million of which was his own money...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...4/ai_107423454

Who has gained the most from Bush's presidency?
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=47995

The list just goes on and on and on and on... Is it logical to say that everything that people say bad about Bush is untrue? After all... many of these stories, connections and conspiracies have mountains of facts to back them up.

Where I come from... we have a saying... "If it smells like shit..."

[crockett]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I wouldn't characterize it that way. Obviously, there was some jockeying for position by all parties. Bush has the authority to declassify material, which pretty much ends the discussion.

No it doesn't , because if nothing else he lied to the American people once again, by pretending to not know who did it. Meanwhile as anyone with a brain can figure out he's known all along who did it.

We are talking about outing a CIA agent for political gain..

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by nation-x

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Taken from http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

It has been a serious mystery to me why we would elect the Grandson of someone that had such close ties with Nazi Germany... http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...312540,00.html

Why would someone spend $200 Million Dollars to gain the presidency? $50 Million of which was his own money...
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...4/ai_107423454

Who has gained the most from Bush's presidency?
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=47995

The list just goes on and on and on and on... Is it logical to say that everything that people say bad about Bush is untrue? After all... many of these stories, connections and conspiracies have mountains of facts to back them up.

Where I come from... we have a saying... "If it smells like shit..."

oh that can't happen in the US you liberal

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by czarina

Nobody is going to stand up! Why? Because of the Patriot Act.
It says clearly that if you rebel against the goverment, they can take you down and put you in prison for as long as they want, without even charging you with a crime.

Come on now. They've only done that once that we know about.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

I wouldn't characterize it that way. Obviously, there was some jockeying for position by all parties. Bush has the authority to declassify material, which pretty much ends the discussion.

Let's say that you are right, that Bush can do that legally...

Can you please explain what goal was achieved by doing so, did it benefit the US citizens and in which way ?

[Tempest]

[juve20]

you guys voted for him!

[Tom_PM]

Scott McClellen is dancing like mad right now, damn he deserves a huge raise, lmao.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER

This is Bush is saying about your Constitution I am not Anti American just Anti IDIOTS

You realize he never said that right? Why am I getting in this bah...

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Scott McClellen is dancing like mad right now, damn he deserves a huge raise, lmao.

He says he can't discvuss " specifics ", but also wont generalize ..

He tries to get the " bad arabs ennemies " as often as he can ....

Previous spokeman ( Ariel ) would have done better.

[yota71]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

So, help me understand this...

1)This guy Wilson was a spy in charge of obtaining intelligence about Iraq's nuclear activities

2)Wilson was trying to expose that the Bush administration had "twisted" the intelligence to justify taking us to war

3)Bush, Cheney, and others exposed Wilson and his wife as a tactic to undermine him

In other words, the president more or less committed treason to help make sure he could take us to war on false pretenses?

Help me out? Am I getting this right?
Where are the riots?
Where are the maddened throngs?

And to think, He DIDN'T cheat on the vote either?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Let's say that you are right, that Bush can do that legally...

Can you please explain what goal was achieved by doing so, did it benefit the US citizens and in which way ?

I will confirm what he said. A president has the power to declassify any information he wishes whenever he wishes.
Though what Bush did was a very rarely ever done, it still was not "illegal".

Oddly enough though the White House has been very hard on anyone for leaking anything for any reason. So in effect he was going against his own policies in regards to leaks.

A goal or a declassification does not need to benefit the US citizens in any way shape or form. Though the leak did help justify and push his war agenda to the public and congress/senate.

Mind you I despise this man with a passion and would love to see him impeached or removed from office. Problem is his damn handlers know how to skirt the law just perfectly. So that leaves me with knowing there is nothing impeachable about it and if he was on these grounds it would leave the same taste in my mouth as the Clinton impeachment.

[ContentSHOOTER]

I know NOTHING NOTHING

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

You realize he never said that right? Why am I getting in this bah...

LOL ... Let's do a bit a republican rethoric:

PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT



Since I know that you will come back with your spoon out of your ass, I will make it easy for you:

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'

By DOUG THOMPSON
Dec 9, 2005, 07:53
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Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

?I don?t give a goddamn,? Bush retorted. ?I?m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.?

?Mr. President,? one aide in the meeting said. ?There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.?

?Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,? Bush screamed back. ?It?s just a goddamned piece of paper!?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml

[Radical Nathan]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

Come on now. They've only done that once that we know about.

only once THAT WE KNOW ABOUT?! does this sound scary to anybody else?

[ContentSHOOTER]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

LOL ... Let's do a bit a republican rethoric:

PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT



Since I know that you will come back with your spoon out of your ass, I will make it easy for you:

Thank you, I had another source on that

[SuckOnThis]

Legal or not it shows once again Bush is a hypocrite and a liar. It also shows Bush is willing to compromise national security for political gain.

[schwing]

As if we weren't in debt enough as a nation then Bush spends all this money to "investigate" the source of this leak when it was his own cabinet. What a fucking prick. How did he become president again? Oh yeah the U.S. is full of dumbshits who don't vote (except for the hicks in the middle of the country).

[KRL]

There is no such thing as an honest politician.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Next.

[CyberHustler]

burp....

[Hollywood Horwitz]

Originally Posted by Tempest

nice pic,lol cute and true!

[Linkster]

Its good to see people finally talking about "facism" - every little thing that the Bush administration has done has its roots in the 1930s Germany - might take a look at how Hitler actually rose to power - almost a mirror image of Bush's actions. Mein Kampf ought to be required reading for every schoolchild in the US as a way of teaching how to not repeat history.


Of course the Bush family tried to get into power a few years earlier (by about 8 years when Bush Sr was Vice Prez) when they tried to have Reagan assassinated by John W. Hinckley - who just happened to be a friend of Neil Bush's and was actually scheduled to have dinner at the Bush's house but he missed that dinner after he failed to kill Reagan and got arrested on the spot. Neil and Scott Himkley(Johns brother) were old friends from Denver in the energy biz from their companies Vanderbilt Energy and Standard Oil of Indiana(based in Denver)

As far as the current Bush member doing something illegal - I would think that the revelation that he was planning an assassination of Saddam should do the trick since Executive Order 11905 of 1976 made that action illegal - 5(g) Prohibition on Assassination. No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.
Should be fun as soon as someone realizes he's already admitted to a felony and crimes and misdemeanors.