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Hooper I am throwing a orgy in Soho next week come on down yo
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Do you feel like I should be promoting you instead of my own program in my sig? I put my money where my mouth is and don't promote revshare programs because we make more with PPS. |
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heeheh i wish , nah been doing some stuff with Izzy last 3 days by fashion institute near 7th , gotta come back on Mon to finish up |
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All due respect to Wiseman, Quickbuck blows...theri sites are lame, their content sucks, and they have a more shady past tha just about anyone out there. Also, they are too lazy to even get their own content...all of their members areas are leased Jason and Alex content...they offered us the deal, but we passed on it. If you want a good PPS program...go with Topbucks. |
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i thought jason and alex was exclusive. duke |
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Fuck revshare...fuck pps...good exclusive content that converts is where its it. If you don't have that...you don't have a pot to piss in. |
we've spend hundreds of thousands on custom exclusive content. you sound ignorant when you say otherwise. and yep. j&a's content was good and is good.. nobody else has it but us & them.
i'd say you have no respect for wiseman given the way you always say "i love wiseman but..." we didn't start this thread trashing you. haven't said a thing about you... and have been having a heck of a discussion about revshare vs pps. Stop trying to ride our coat tails :) |
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Hooper do you feel that pricing affects retention wether a site is 29.99 or 39.99?
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he just likes to trash us for the sake of trashing us. we're not allowed to have an opinion about anything that doesn't coincide with the book of jay.
He also conveniently ignored the other custom exclusive sites we have: TaxiCams SlutBus Fistless Ryan's Beach House Doctor Stroke Jerk My Cock Kalifornication Between our own in house produced sites and our deals with companies as mentioned we have hundreds of hours of killer video that you can't get elsewhere... I guess that's "lame" :-/ it pisses plenty of other people off that you can push the envelope and still be here full of piss & vinegar. |
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I have revshares that do about $35 per sign up and I do PPS. Why does PPS have to do shady shit and shave to pay me $35 PPS?
Answer - They don't. Niether one shares the crossales, upsales or emails. I like the big PPS model as it is convenient. If I need a lesbian site today. They have one. If I need Big butts tomorrow, they have one. And I only need to track the one check etc. I do not have to worry about retention or other factors just the sale. It is easier for me. But I promote both as some revshares rock. PS I want solo girls on PPS as my retention with them sucks and they are flaky. |
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That Taxicams contant is AWEFUL...just go to the site. |
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We offer revshare as well... it is an option, it is a viable option, for a small percentage of people they will make more with revshare.. but the vast majority of affiliates will make more with PPS. As for taxicams, if you don't like it... well.. stop watching it! :) |
Something happened to Hooper. All of his posts have a nice tone to them now.
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These days they've pulled the reigns back on must of that shit. These days consumers expect more when they slap down a credit card when there are easily 1,000,000 TGPS on the net that have all of the same content for FREE! The only way you can do PPS now is to offer limited trials...meaning they put in their CC# (a big step) and then they have access to like one video. Myself, I think that is pretty lame. A good limited trial converts around 50% - 55% -- meaning you've just pissed off 45% - 50% of your surfers! When you join an OCCash site you get full access to the site you joined if you want to see the other 19 sites in the network...there is the upsale...I think that is totally fair. The problem with PPS is it has become a giant dick measuring contest that nobody wants to back down from becasue nobody want to lose face. Think about it...what could be more fair that a 50% split of the gross profit of a sale with a merchant? The traffic guys have very small expenses...after a program gets a member you still have to cover their hosting, support, cut the billers their 10-13%, pay out content partners, empoyees, hosting, legal fees, office space, taxes...I could go on and on. PPS = don't believe the hype. You promote a good revshare program over a long period of time -- you will make the same amount of money, will abuse your surfers a lot less, and will still wind up making around the same out of money. Sponsors can only pay what the market will bear. :2 cents: |
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lol you gotta admit that sounds pretty damn funny.. what else are they calling it .. how can you say your not attacking revshare when you have a thread called " Revshare DEBUNKED - One Time Only For The Sheep! " I like some of your sites , but bland statements like "I'll guarantee in writing that you will earn more with quickbuck than with any other sponsor" is kind of defeating the purpose of you trying to point out the rhetoric some companies use in promoting revshare... dont call revshare bunk because you dont like pps being called bunk , call things like they are , some companies make grandious claims on both sides of the plate :) |
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Really a great thread, except for xxxjay's inability to even PRETEND to be a professional. A shame, there is always one guy who has to try and devolve every business thread into name calling. I guess it tells the smart business people who not to do business with.
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I think they both had some great points.. Lets be realistic though when making bland generalizations If i bring the ingedients for a cake and you bake it for me , you can call the pay rate anything you want , pps , revshare or per click , but at the end of the day all that matters is how much cake you have.. if we both split the cake , who cares if we call it 50% revshare or 1/2 cake per signup. If im using pps and get more than half a cake and revshare gets me less than half a cake then pps is better, if revshare gets me more than half the cake and pps gets less then revshare is better.. |
Let me get this right: If they promote revshare it's because it makes more money for them? So why do programs push PPS? .... Perhaps, becaus it makes more money for them?
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if traffic had the value you claim in your hands you wouldn't send your exit to traffigigolos or whats that called for niches you already have paysites.
the day i'll see nastydollars doing that i'll take your reply as serious ;-) |
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You made some very good points. I agree that some of the trial limited membership area stuff seems kind of lame, but most people are here to make money and not make friends with surfers. Webmasters are greedy sons of bitches |
As a revshare sponsor, and affiliate, I must say that one must promote sites that he likes whether it's revshare or PPS. Only revshare sponsors I'll promote are ccbill or NATS sponsors....One must have a mix of both. I would never promote just revshare nor PPS.
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You apparently dont know the Busty-Amateurs.com story.
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a1r3k.. not sure if thta was directed toward the "me" "you" or the somebody else "you" :)
my understanding of busty amateurs is that they were a hugely successful revshare program who convinced many people that would only do pps to go revshare.. people made lots of money with them and then one day for whatever reason busty amateurs shut down, cancelled all members and disappeared. |
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But here is the bottom line imho: our affiliates make an average of $45 per join with revshare. What do you think i'd pay PPS? $35? $40 maybe? One way or another, I'll take into consideration the fact that I'm taking the risk and I would pay less. I hope the market will evolve toward more revshare and more transparency. We did a BIG step in that direction last year publishing ALL our retention numbers. http://www.totemcash.com/free/figures.php Our next step is to display our convertion ratios in real time. I might get less newbies affiliates not paying PPS, but I hope the bigger affiliates with more experience know better and appreciate companies that want to be transparent. My 2c |
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busty amateurs was shut down because the owner went crazy, became a jesus freak and turned off one of the most successful revshare programs to exist in that era of adult internet. he burned up all the content and turned off thousands and thousands of rebilling members. the guy lost his mind partying and living the good life. in the era when busty was huge there was no reason to ever "convince" anyone to go revshare. the internet has evolved and done a 180 since the busty days. consumers think differently. thats the facts. including them in this to reinforce your point added no weight to what you believe. i could care less really, we're operating a successful pps program now and i actually agree with what you're saying on most accounts. just leave people out of it if you don't know what went on, or ask one of us that lived through it. thats basically all i am saying. :2 cents: :) |
i use both revshare & pps..
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Airek.. i really mean no ofeense here but it seems that it IS what I thought... why is that in some way "pro revshare" ? A revshare program that went down and tons of people lost millions of dollars.
All it does is validate the fact that with revshare one puts their LONG TERM financial viability into a single pornographer. Re-read my post, one of my biggest reasons for saying revshare is disadvantageous is because if that program shuts down (ala busty amateurs) you can lose your ass... with PPS your receivables are more like 2 weeks, not 2 years. Sorry that you were caught up in it man, but it is a piece of internet history. |
personally I prefer to push revshare programs as they make me more.
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busty was at its biggest earning months when it was shut down. it was flourishing. we all got jacked. members, affiliates, employees, hosting company, you name it. somethings i would do revshare on and some i will only ever do pps. both are viable business models in the right situations. i see what you mean. we live and learn. |
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i wont be holding my breath. |
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You cannot claim to pay me more per sign up on revshare and PPS has to cheat to pay me less. |
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Here's the way I see it...
With revshare, affiliates are being paid for the revenue generated at the direct processor level only. That means initials, conversions and rebills, and that's it. So if on average, an affiliate's members generate $28.66, they receive the % cut of the average $28.66 per member. Now if their users happen to generate only $14.33 on average, then in this case, it sucks to be the affiliate. The revshare program had no risk in paying $7.16 (50%) on these joins, and in a sense the affiliate took on the risk by sending traffic to the program. Now a PPS program may also generate only $28.66 in average revenue per member. However, in calculating a payout, a PPS program will also add the ancillary revenue per user which may include cross sales, exits, upsells, mailings and countless other ways to generate revenue per member. If the PPS program figures out they can generate another $12 revenue per member on average, then it might make sense for them to offer a $35 payout. Here the program would be looking at a profit margin of about $5 per join. Obviously these aren't real numbers, but you can see how if a revshare program is generating ancillary revenue per member the same way a PPS program is, then the affiliate is getting screwed because all they're receiving is revenue at the processor level on the trials, conversions and rebills. In theory a PPS program can even take a hit at the processor level and still afford to pay an affiliate MORE than if they were paying out on revshare. You may also notice that a revshare program could potentially have higher profit margins (guaranteed 40-50%) however a PPS program will push substantially more volume because they are paying a higher rate for the traffic. Volume is the key to a successful PPS program operating at a lower profit margin per join, the same way it is with Walmart :) And just so it's dead clear, a lower profit margin for the program means that a greater portion of the money goes into the affiliate's pocket :winkwink: |
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Jay's a great guy and OcCash is good stuff but he makes tons of cash from PPS so this arguement from him always seems a little off. |
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Interesting analysis. Thanks. |
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PPS or no PPS...I'm sure we are doing more signups than the guy who started this thread. LOL |
you know so little about our business jay... every post you make is clearly personal.
plus.. signups shouldnt matter to a big bad revshare sponsor like yourself. i don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many revshare sponsors say they "will" have a pps program soon :) |
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Keep in mind most PPS programs offer rev-share options anyway so your attack on them doesn't really have any legs to stand on anyway. The biggest difference is that rev-share is higher risk for the affiliate than PPS, but rarely generates the greater returns that it should to balance it out. :2 cents: :2 cents: |
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