Is Etelegate a scam? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shoplifter · 04-11-2006, 11:10 PM

So all of the rebills we still had with Ibill have been moved to Etelegate and seem to be being declined. A buddy of mine didn't even do their contract and had all his rebills moved anyways.

I also hear they charge for declines. No replies to any emails.

When will we be delivered from the evil?

Webby · 04-11-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

So all of the rebills we still had with Ibill have been moved to Etelegate and seem to be being declined. A buddy of mine didn't even do their contract and had all his rebills moved anyways.

I also hear they charge for declines. No replies to any emails.

When will we be delivered from the evil?

Know of etelegate Shoplifter but can't say if it's a scam. Folks can have good intentions, but get "distracted".

Any involvement of iBill in dealings with another companies is another matter and open to all kinds of scenarios. One of these being... the dumping of iBill clients to etelegate before the legal shit hits iBill to allow them to claim in various ways that they are not responsible.

It's called pass-me-a-clean-towel-to-wipe-my-hands.

PS... Out of casual interest, what legal jurisdiction was the contract supposed to be operating under? "Offshore" by any chance?

gooddomains · 04-11-2006, 11:48 PM

can't believe anyone stayed that long with Ibill anyway

_M_ · 04-12-2006, 06:27 AM

I've been an etelegate merchant. Yes they charge for declines and have no velocity checking so you'll pay dearly for card hammering. That was my biggest complaint before but now they have quit paying. In other words, they have moved from the sucks list to the shit list.

CherePashka · 04-12-2006, 06:45 AM

ah .. sweet, elegate if even not affiliated with iballs, broke down their company name and brand (if exists) just to became outsource of ibill
would you bill with them ? = no, never

DEA - banned for life · 04-12-2006, 08:14 AM

PEOPLE WAKE UP ETELEGATE=IBILL www.etelegate.com Call us 24/7 at
1-800-676-0127 (direct: 213-291-9051) ...guess who answers "You have reached IBILL Sales Department"

And Yes There Ripping Webmasters off by "Double Dippin"

John69 · 04-12-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DEA

PEOPLE WAKE UP ETELEGATE=IBILL www.etelegate.com Call us 24/7 at
1-800-676-0127 (direct: 213-291-9051) ...guess who answers "You have reached IBILL Sales Department"

And Yes There Ripping Webmasters off by "Double Dippin"

god dam fudge packers!

G-Rotica · 04-12-2006, 09:32 AM

Magic 8 ball says....YES!

brentschn · 04-12-2006, 10:08 AM

We got switched over from iBill to Ethlegate and it looks as if the rebills and new signups are working. I haven't changed our signup pages yet. We are looking at switching everything over to ccbill and bagging iBill altogether. iBill still owes us around $3800 from past revenues - nearly year and a half. We had an agreement for them to pay us the $3800 three months ago and they balked on the deal. Really messed up company to do business. Changing from iBill to G-guard now to Ethelgate. Wow.

brentschn · 04-12-2006, 10:09 AM

Oh, the other thing, they charge $50 for wire transfers. That's huge. ccBill charges $25. iBIll used to charge $25.

gooddomains · 04-12-2006, 11:21 AM

bloody scammers

Webby · 04-12-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by _M_

I've been an etelegate merchant. Yes they charge for declines and have no velocity checking so you'll pay dearly for card hammering. That was my biggest complaint before but now they have quit paying. In other words, they have moved from the sucks list to the shit list.

In your dealings with etelegate, what country/jurisdiction did you think you were dealing with?

For an alleged third party processor - even before iBill allegedly passed over webmaster accounts - it's a weird setup, with supposed offices in Manchester UK and trying to hide under a maildrop in central London.

Got a nasty feeling the fingerprints of Gary Spaniak and his associates, consultants and investors are all over etelegate recently and smell another shuffling of corporate paperwork for which iBill, Galanis, Spaniak, Markley, Molina and are known for. This probably explains the lack of payments.

All of these individuals have been lying and decieving for years now in association with each other. The portrayed "press release" picture of iBill passing over accounts to a new magical processor is another load of bullshit.

Markley, Spaniak and associates know exactly who the owners of "etelegate" are.

Only my

but anyone who may still be stuck with iBill for any money - don't dream of permitting iBill to pass over accounting to any other processor. iBill is the company responsible for funds - no other company. I'd also not sign up with eTelegate until all details are known and when there is transparency.

Webby · 04-12-2006, 11:34 AM

PS...

In answer to your question ShopLifter, got not reason to think eTelegate is anything other than a scam until such time there is any transparency and the real facts are stated by the "owners". Tho they are not noted for transparency or the full truth.

dcortez · 04-13-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

In your dealings with etelegate, what country/jurisdiction did you think you were dealing with?

For an alleged third party processor - even before iBill allegedly passed over webmaster accounts - it's a weird setup, with supposed offices in Manchester UK and trying to hide under a maildrop in central London.

Got a nasty feeling the fingerprints of Gary Spaniak and his associates, consultants and investors are all over etelegate recently and smell another shuffling of corporate paperwork for which iBill, Galanis, Spaniak, Markley, Molina and are known for. This probably explains the lack of payments.

All of these individuals have been lying and decieving for years now in association with each other. The portrayed "press release" picture of iBill passing over accounts to a new magical processor is another load of bullshit.

Markley, Spaniak and associates know exactly who the owners of "etelegate" are.

Only my

but anyone who may still be stuck with iBill for any money - don't dream of permitting iBill to pass over accounting to any other processor. iBill is the company responsible for funds - no other company. I'd also not sign up with eTelegate until all details are known and when there is transparency.

We stopped using iBill a long time ago because the 'new' iBill was just as sleazy as the old iBill (same runarounds and accumulating unpaid moneys for (new improved) gkard sales/reserves), but this switcheroo (to eTelegate) seems (IMO) like a convenient way to dump 8+ months worth of reserves owed to iBill/gkard webmasters and being able to continue business with (yet another) clean slate and probably enough corporate arms length distance to slip through criminal fraud prosecution for taking on new webmaster accounts knowing very well that they are not currently paying any outstanding reserves back (according to iBill rep because of bank dispute).

They are not informing the market that they are unable to release reserves even though they entering into new agreements with new webmasters most likely on the premise that they do.

That's just my opinion but it's based on what iBill has done and what they have told us regarding our unpaid reserves (for 2005 gkard sales).

I suspect I may not be alone in this view.

BTW, has anyone yet succeeded in launching criminal action against 'ibill' or whatever corporate tag they are hiding themselves behind?

Webby · 04-13-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dcortez

I suspect I may not be alone in this view.

You think?

You'd be 100% correct Dino

Booger · 04-18-2006, 09:55 AM

Yes there a scam FUCK IBILL...BUMP

precise · 04-19-2006, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

So all of the rebills we still had with Ibill have been moved to Etelegate and seem to be being declined. A buddy of mine didn't even do their contract and had all his rebills moved anyways.

I also hear they charge for declines. No replies to any emails.

When will we be delivered from the evil?

This is true, we had the rebills moved to Etelegate without our concent too and it seems etelegate terminated about 80% of ex-Ibill rebills.

That might be explaining the missing 10% ibill Gkard reserves and delayed Ibill payouts of the recent past ? bank did not release the moneys to Ibill indeed because their gkard chargeback rate was enormous.

Anyway, anyone got any Apr. 15 payout money from either Ibill or etelegate?

DEA - banned for life · 04-19-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

So all of the rebills we still had with Ibill have been moved to Etelegate and seem to be being declined. A buddy of mine didn't even do their contract and had all his rebills moved anyways.

I also hear they charge for declines. No replies to any emails.

When will we be delivered from the evil?

Theres a scam. IBILL with another name

Booger · 05-05-2006, 10:53 AM

Fuck Ibill Fuck Etlegate Scam Scams Scammers !

Fetish Gimp · 05-05-2006, 10:54 AM

Does a bear shit in the woods?

FUCKED_BY_IBILL · 05-05-2006, 12:17 PM

Lets forget the money we are owed by IBILL and now ETELEGATE. Its time we deny access to anyone who joined our site using the above. Just delete the IBILL .htaccess located on your server, and all the users who paid to get in thru IBILL and ETELEGATE will be asking for refunds and charge backs. This way, those assholes will lose their merchant accounts and get nothing, just like we are getting nothing. Do it today, I did. When my members tell me they cant login, I simply tell them to call their banks and get their money back since I didnt get it.

Xplicit · 05-05-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FUCKED_BY_IBILL

Lets forget the money we are owed by IBILL and now ETELEGATE. Its time we deny access to anyone who joined our site using the above. Just delete the IBILL .htaccess located on your server, and all the users who paid to get in thru IBILL and ETELEGATE will be asking for refunds and charge backs. This way, those assholes will lose their merchant accounts and get nothing, just like we are getting nothing. Do it today, I did. When my members tell me they cant login, I simply tell them to call their banks and get their money back since I didnt get it.

Thats actually a pretty good idea. Ibill is never gonna pay up.

Webby · 05-05-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fetish Gimp

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Sure does.

If it smells like shit is it likely to be shit?

Booger · 05-08-2006, 12:38 PM

crooks thieves and liars

04-11-2006, 11:10 PM	#1
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04-11-2006, 11:48 PM	#3
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	can't believe anyone stayed that long with Ibill anyway

04-12-2006, 06:27 AM	#4
_M_ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: . Posts: 19	I've been an etelegate merchant. Yes they charge for declines and have no velocity checking so you'll pay dearly for card hammering. That was my biggest complaint before but now they have quit paying. In other words, they have moved from the sucks list to the shit list.

04-12-2006, 06:45 AM	#5
CherePashka Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1	ah .. sweet, elegate if even not affiliated with iballs, broke down their company name and brand (if exists) just to became outsource of ibill would you bill with them ? = no, never

04-12-2006, 08:14 AM	#6
DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	PEOPLE WAKE UP ETELEGATE=IBILL www.etelegate.com Call us 24/7 at 1-800-676-0127 (direct: 213-291-9051) ...guess who answers "You have reached IBILL Sales Department" And Yes There Ripping Webmasters off by "Double Dippin"

04-12-2006, 10:08 AM	#9
brentschn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 35	We got switched over from iBill to Ethlegate and it looks as if the rebills and new signups are working. I haven't changed our signup pages yet. We are looking at switching everything over to ccbill and bagging iBill altogether. iBill still owes us around $3800 from past revenues - nearly year and a half. We had an agreement for them to pay us the $3800 three months ago and they balked on the deal. Really messed up company to do business. Changing from iBill to G-guard now to Ethelgate. Wow.

04-12-2006, 10:09 AM	#10
brentschn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 35	Oh, the other thing, they charge $50 for wire transfers. That's huge. ccBill charges $25. iBIll used to charge $25.

04-12-2006, 11:21 AM	#11
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	bloody scammers

04-18-2006, 09:55 AM	#16
Booger At least I make a living at this Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 621	Yes there a scam FUCK IBILL...BUMP

05-05-2006, 10:53 AM	#19
Booger At least I make a living at this Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 621	Fuck Ibill Fuck Etlegate Scam Scams Scammers !

05-05-2006, 12:17 PM	#21
FUCKED_BY_IBILL Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 30	Lets forget the money we are owed by IBILL and now ETELEGATE. Its time we deny access to anyone who joined our site using the above. Just delete the IBILL .htaccess located on your server, and all the users who paid to get in thru IBILL and ETELEGATE will be asking for refunds and charge backs. This way, those assholes will lose their merchant accounts and get nothing, just like we are getting nothing. Do it today, I did. When my members tell me they cant login, I simply tell them to call their banks and get their money back since I didnt get it.

05-08-2006, 12:38 PM	#24
Booger At least I make a living at this Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 621	crooks thieves and liars