What % of overall adult industry paysite SALES comes from GALLERIES and TGP's ? - GoFuckYourself.com

polish_aristocrat · 05-04-2005, 04:23 AM

What do you think?

Is it like 60% or only about 20% or so ?

StuartD · 05-04-2005, 04:26 AM

We can calculate the core temperature of the sun but we may never know the answer to your question.

BastarD · 05-04-2005, 04:27 AM

I bet something around 20%, major sales are in SEO.

Chio The Pirate · 05-04-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BastarD

I bet something around 20%, major sales are in SEO.

YARGH! I agree.

StuartD · 05-04-2005, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BastarD

I bet something around 20%, major sales are in SEO.

Also in cross promotion between companies.

Fake Nick · 05-04-2005, 04:44 AM

and return visitors that go to the site throug SE but should not be seen as SEO signups

2HousePlague · 05-04-2005, 04:48 AM

Volume is one thing, sales another.

j-

polish_aristocrat · 05-04-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Also in cross promotion between companies.

and probably spam...

beta-tester · 05-04-2005, 07:36 AM

I think the most sales are coming from webmasters which promote those paysites (logical) :D. Those webmasters have very different kind of traffic. Some of them send gallery traffic, some free site traffic, few of them are focused only on SEO and they send the most quality traffic.

Well, I'd say galleries and TGPs are bringing the most traffic to paysites. And I think they send 40-60% of all sales. But also everything depends of paysite, niche, etc, etc.

fireorange · 05-04-2005, 08:03 AM

45% Spam
45% Spyware
10% Legit

Mefo · 05-04-2005, 08:05 AM

Spam & Spyware are definetly on top of the list

NoCarrier · 05-04-2005, 08:09 AM

TGP owners selling gallery spots will give you a high number.

TheDoc · 05-04-2005, 08:13 AM

With Evil Genius Cash we get about 10% of our traffic from our own galleries. Webmasters sending TGP traffic from galleries (minus one webmaster) counts for about 20% of the traffic. Traffic coming from the TGP is about 5%.

I think our numbers are pretty low, but we have a lot of traffic coming from other program owners. (about 50%).

Sales wise for us, the TGP webmasters are a very low % of the sales. While we have a couple that convert great, they just don't send many sales. The bigger guys dump a lot more traffic but tend to convert worse. Overall, less than 10% of my sales for the year are from galleries.

pxxx · 05-04-2005, 08:17 AM

Spam is being counted out here, but it probably has a higher number than tgps/galleries.

Nicky · 05-04-2005, 08:24 AM

spam for sure is on top......

who said SEO, dont you fellows know that there is no money in SEO??

polish_aristocrat · 05-04-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

With Evil Genius Cash we get about 10% of our traffic from our own galleries. Webmasters sending TGP traffic from galleries (minus one webmaster) counts for about 20% of the traffic. Traffic coming from the TGP is about 5%.

I think our numbers are pretty low, but we have a lot of traffic coming from other program owners. (about 50%).

Sales wise for us, the TGP webmasters are a very low % of the sales. While we have a couple that convert great, they just don't send many sales. The bigger guys dump a lot more traffic but tend to convert worse. Overall, less than 10% of my sales for the year are from galleries.

thanks for sharing your numbers

fuzebox · 05-04-2005, 09:25 AM

A lot of tgps rank high in the serps...

Does this make their traffic tgp or se traffic?

Rich · 05-04-2005, 11:03 AM

5-10%.

78

Pleasurepays · 05-04-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pxxx

Spam is being counted out here, but it probably has a higher number than tgps/galleries.

maybe from 96 to 2001-02 - not today. there is only a fraction of the adult spam today as their was in years past.

polish_aristocrat · 05-05-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

A lot of tgps rank high in the serps...

Does this make their traffic tgp or se traffic?

good question

polish_aristocrat · 05-26-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

5-10%.

78

i'd say more than that...

Barefootsies · 05-26-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

What do you think?

Is it like 60% or only about 20% or so ?

I'd say it's more like the 20-25% range. Unless that's all you ever do as a promotion tactic.

I know for myself, 20% is prolly high for the galleries, and TGP. I zero in on the more targeted, less traffic, higher conversion stuff. Works well, and you get more loyalty (i.e. rebills).

SleazyDream · 05-26-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Also in cross promotion between companies.

aye but there has to be a begining source

SleazyDream · 05-26-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mefo

Spam & Spyware are definetly on top of the list

spam's dropping like crazy these days.

spyware's next.

every program is different but seo is the top by far

tgp i'd guess and it's only a guess OVERALL is somehow responsible in one way or another for probally 15-25 percent of all sales. it's not huge.

clickhappy · 05-26-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BastarD

I bet something around 20%, major sales are in SEO.

that's depressing. I thought tgp was more than that

polish_aristocrat · 05-26-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by clickhappy

that's depressing. I thought tgp was more than that

why exactly is that depressing?

clickhappy · 05-26-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

why exactly is that depressing?

thats been my main source for sending traffic

kernelpanic · 05-26-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

maybe from 96 to 2001-02 - not today. there is only a fraction of the adult spam today as their was in years past.

What have you been smoking?

Basic_man · 05-26-2005, 03:47 PM

I think its not possible to know this answer..

Dalai lama · 05-26-2005, 03:48 PM

+- 20% that's about it.

Mako · 05-26-2005, 04:16 PM

I'm surprised it's even 20%. And rebill ratio from them must be horrid. Think about where the sale is coming from, a guy who surfs The Hun, or wherever, every single day. He's not quitting his favorite TGP just because he joined some singular paysite.

In fact I'd be willing to bet that a lot of TGP traffic is actually pretty saavy, abusing 3-day trials like I abuse NetFlix: by whoring it out to the point where the parent company can't make any money.

Would kill to hear rebill percentages for TGP-sourced traffic versus SE traffic.

flashfire · 05-26-2005, 04:57 PM

I would agree with 20% or so

latinasojourn · 05-26-2005, 05:19 PM

less than 30%, depends on niche.

Snake Doctor · 05-26-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

I'm surprised it's even 20%. And rebill ratio from them must be horrid. Think about where the sale is coming from, a guy who surfs The Hun, or wherever, every single day. He's not quitting his favorite TGP just because he joined some singular paysite.

In fact I'd be willing to bet that a lot of TGP traffic is actually pretty saavy, abusing 3-day trials like I abuse NetFlix: by whoring it out to the point where the parent company can't make any money.

Would kill to hear rebill percentages for TGP-sourced traffic versus SE traffic.

This shocked the hell out of me, but I spent a good bit of $$ on google adwords for my paysite and the recurring on those customers SUCKS something awful.

My gallery traffic retains at least twice as good as the adwords traffic.

The adwords traffic had a much better hits to sales ratio of course, but when you consider the price per hit the TGP traffic is/was the better buy for me.

latinasojourn · 05-26-2005, 05:40 PM

adwords don't work for porn as good as other media.

the surfer will instinctly NOT click on the adword because he believes it is paid hype.

you are MUCH better off cultivating tradtional placement technqiues in SE.

and contrary to opinion, it is impossible to KEEP high rankings without some time and effort.

Mako · 05-26-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

This shocked the hell out of me, but I spent a good bit of $$ on google adwords for my paysite and the recurring on those customers SUCKS something awful.

My gallery traffic retains at least twice as good as the adwords traffic.

The adwords traffic had a much better hits to sales ratio of course, but when you consider the price per hit the TGP traffic is/was the better buy for me.

For sure Lenny, no question. I was referring more to SEO than to SE/Adwords in my post, I'd imagine that Adwords sourced traffic pales in comparison to SEO traffic in terms of rebill %.

Snake Doctor · 05-26-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

For sure Lenny, no question. I was referring more to SEO than to SE/Adwords in my post, I'd imagine that Adwords sourced traffic pales in comparison to SEO traffic in terms of rebill %.

But why would that be?
The surfer is coming from google...they typed in a search, and my title and description is along side the organic SERPS for that keyword.

So if I buy the top adwords spot for big tits or I organically have the top ranking for big tits, why would the traffic clicking one link retain any better or worse than the traffic clicking another?

2HousePlague · 05-26-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

But why would that be?

Very simple:

Owing to a higher level of Web search experience, the average surfer now KNOWS the difference between an AdWords ad and an organic result.

Surfers now understand perfectly well that those links on the right were put there by people who pay for them to be there. When you're looking for something you hope to get FOR FREE, knowing that a link is a paid ad is a negative.

Surfers are still largely ignorant of SEO methods that influence what's on the SERP, however. For this reason, surfers engage organic links both more frequently and with a greater degree of hopefulness.

Now it's important to understand how this divides traffic from the SERP into two categories -- one going to AdWords links, the other following organix.

Although there are a number of query terms that get enormous daily volume, the bigger volume (as a percentage of the whole of daily queries) is the sum of millions of queries, whose individual volumes are tiny.

And we all know from online marketing 101 that the closer you come to offering the precise thing the consumer was looking for, the higher the initial conversions, the higher the ultimate retention.

There can be no argument that the organic listings are MUCH more likely to reflect the specificity of the query -- when the query is specific. Even those of us who've managed keyword lists with tens of thousands of terms can tell you this is true.

So, surfers clicking on an AdWords ad (and, therefore, not an organic listing), are either:

A. Unclear in their desire, or

B. Taking a chance

In both cases, the likelihood for disappointment on the part of the surfer (and also for the AdWords advertiser, as a result) is much higher for AdWords clicks than for organic clicks.

Organic clicks, for being undertaken by the surfer with higher hopes, also lead the surfer down the "path of frustration" -- which is what I call bouncing around in TGPs, not finding what you want, getting hornier and hornier, etc. I don't have the numbers, but would bet confidently that far fewer surfers that engage organic links come back to the search engine, than those who engage AdWords links. Translation: a click on an organic result is more likely to produce a sale -- even if the purchase is made out of frustration or impatience

To summarize: Organic Link Clicks and AdWords Link Clicks ARE different, because of what we know (instinctively) and can verify (if we bothered to) is differrent between the surfers who make one choice or the other --

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j-

*(That was more like 4 cents, I think -- LOL)

polish_aristocrat · 06-10-2005, 01:58 PM

just bumping the original thread about it

Jace · 06-10-2005, 02:44 PM

good thread here...glad you bumped it

what amazes me is the amount of people that own programs that depend on affiliates for the majority of their sales...i guess there money to be made with affiliates pushing 50-60% of all your sales...but I would much rather have a program that had affiliates only pushing 10-20% of my sales.

To me affiliates pushing the majority of the sales is lost money, and with labor as cheap as it is now, you can hire 2-5 people for way less in the long run to do the same as the top 2-5 affiliates for your program

one thing I have always done with my 2 paysites is watch the top affiliate and always make sure I am pushing more sales personally than he is promoting me...

just my thing though, and I know of a few other single girl sites that do the same, hell, i know one single girls site that doesn't even have an affiliate program and makes almost $10k a month

i am rambling, must be the vicodin kicking in

KRL · 06-10-2005, 02:49 PM

I'd say 15% at most.

tranza · 06-10-2005, 03:12 PM

This turned out to be a good thread for a change...

Rich · 06-10-2005, 03:21 PM

10% of the sales at the very most, 99% of the webmasters. Just the way I likes it.

venus · 06-10-2005, 03:28 PM

You guys have a very very limited view of adult websites.
You may be right when referring to what I call corporate or canned sites because they rely mainly on sponsers who for the most part only know to make galleries.
outside of that world is a whole new world of amateur sites and different fetishes who get most of their traffic from link exchanges with like sites and from affiliates who run free sites. lesser from SE's and galleries.

My biggest affiliates run free sites and really dont have to do any work except post a few pictures on their site and not ever change them out. they have links out to hundreds of like sites so the site generally runs its self.
a couple of my free sites, that I do not promote and that run only off SE traffic are
http://www.nude-fitness-model.com
http://www.nude-female-muscle.com
they do several hundred hits a day, not much, buts its targeted traffic plus I dont ever have to touch them, they are on auto pilot.

there are just so many other ways to advertise sites and types of sites to advertise that you guys either ignore or dont know about.

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Originally Posted by beta-tester

Well, I'd say galleries and TGPs are bringing the most traffic to paysites. And I think they send 40-60% of all sales. But also everything depends of paysite, niche, etc, etc.

Rui · 06-10-2005, 03:32 PM

very good thread, kinda busy attm but will surely give my 0.02 eurocents on this one

This deserves a BUMP :D

2HousePlague · 04-11-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

very good thread, kinda busy attm but will surely give my 0.02 eurocents on this one

This deserves a BUMP :D

2hp

rotterdammer · 04-11-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

good thread here...glad you bumped it

what amazes me is the amount of people that own programs that depend on affiliates for the majority of their sales...i guess there money to be made with affiliates pushing 50-60% of all your sales...but I would much rather have a program that had affiliates only pushing 10-20% of my sales.

To me affiliates pushing the majority of the sales is lost money, and with labor as cheap as it is now, you can hire 2-5 people for way less in the long run to do the same as the top 2-5 affiliates for your program

one thing I have always done with my 2 paysites is watch the top affiliate and always make sure I am pushing more sales personally than he is promoting me...

just my thing though, and I know of a few other single girl sites that do the same, hell, i know one single girls site that doesn't even have an affiliate program and makes almost $10k a month

i am rambling, must be the vicodin kicking in

Another bump for this thread lol!

I dont totally agree with "affliates is lost money"but I think this is bonus money for the program owners.

If I would start 1 or a couple of paysites ever I would make sure I made myself a decent amount of sales to live from so I dont depend on affliates that take 50%-60% of my income!

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BastarD Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Very close to that Jack Daniels bottle.. Posts: 6,341	I bet something around 20%, major sales are in SEO.

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Fake Nick So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: go troll goo! Posts: 7,708	and return visitors that go to the site throug SE but should not be seen as SEO signups

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fireorange Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,648	45% Spam 45% Spyware 10% Legit

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NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	TGP owners selling gallery spots will give you a high number. __________________

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	With Evil Genius Cash we get about 10% of our traffic from our own galleries. Webmasters sending TGP traffic from galleries (minus one webmaster) counts for about 20% of the traffic. Traffic coming from the TGP is about 5%. I think our numbers are pretty low, but we have a lot of traffic coming from other program owners. (about 50%). Sales wise for us, the TGP webmasters are a very low % of the sales. While we have a couple that convert great, they just don't send many sales. The bigger guys dump a lot more traffic but tend to convert worse. Overall, less than 10% of my sales for the year are from galleries. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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pxxx First African GFY Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,114	Spam is being counted out here, but it probably has a higher number than tgps/galleries.

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fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,228	A lot of tgps rank high in the serps... Does this make their traffic tgp or se traffic?

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Mako Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The OC baby! Posts: 1,986	I'm surprised it's even 20%. And rebill ratio from them must be horrid. Think about where the sale is coming from, a guy who surfs The Hun, or wherever, every single day. He's not quitting his favorite TGP just because he joined some singular paysite. In fact I'd be willing to bet that a lot of TGP traffic is actually pretty saavy, abusing 3-day trials like I abuse NetFlix: by whoring it out to the point where the parent company can't make any money. Would kill to hear rebill percentages for TGP-sourced traffic versus SE traffic.

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flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	I would agree with 20% or so

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latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	less than 30%, depends on niche.

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latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	adwords don't work for porn as good as other media. the surfer will instinctly NOT click on the adword because he believes it is paid hype. you are MUCH better off cultivating tradtional placement technqiues in SE. and contrary to opinion, it is impossible to KEEP high rankings without some time and effort.

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	just bumping the original thread about it __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	good thread here...glad you bumped it what amazes me is the amount of people that own programs that depend on affiliates for the majority of their sales...i guess there money to be made with affiliates pushing 50-60% of all your sales...but I would much rather have a program that had affiliates only pushing 10-20% of my sales. To me affiliates pushing the majority of the sales is lost money, and with labor as cheap as it is now, you can hire 2-5 people for way less in the long run to do the same as the top 2-5 affiliates for your program one thing I have always done with my 2 paysites is watch the top affiliate and always make sure I am pushing more sales personally than he is promoting me... just my thing though, and I know of a few other single girl sites that do the same, hell, i know one single girls site that doesn't even have an affiliate program and makes almost $10k a month i am rambling, must be the vicodin kicking in

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06-10-2005, 03:21 PM	#43
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	10% of the sales at the very most, 99% of the webmasters. Just the way I likes it.

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Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	very good thread, kinda busy attm but will surely give my 0.02 eurocents on this one This deserves a BUMP :D