Pim Fortuyn Shot !

[Naughty]

For all our Dutch readers, Pim Fortuyn has just been shot.

does not surprise me though...

[mule]

whoa!
turning on the TV

[Naughty]

Holy shit, I heard is he dead too...

[Dirty F]

Not surprise you?
We live in friggin Holland, people dont get shot here for being a democrate or expressing your ideas.

Motherfuckers!

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe...ing/index.html

[SR]

Fucking unreal
Does not surprise you?
I don't see why someone has to kill him because he had ideas that where different from the rest.
This is unbelievable.
The one who did this should be punished so hard.
And it better not be a muslim

[deluxe]

It happend like 3 blocks away from where I am... I could hear the sirens...

[FuqALot]

It Sucks.

[SirTreX]

Damn Netherland is gonna change..

i've heard Lijst Fortuyn is gonna continue though


the death of Fortuyn has NOT yet been confirmed..

[Naughty]

It does not surprise me does not mean I think it is right.

He is a person who has not been very nice to 'foreign' people. I can imagine many Moslims hate his guts.

If you think everybody liked him, you are wrong. However, shooting him is something that is indeed 'unreal'.

[mule]

Wow, this sucks big-time

[Dualcpu]

Lets not speculate about the attacker, there is insufficient information available. The motives are not known.

This just shows that there is NO real freedom of speech.

[Onehelluvanoize]

Exactly! Fuck man...It wasn't my mate but to get shot because you speak out your ideas????? Damn! Face it man! Do you even realise how many people agree with his ideas (a confirmed 19% and climbing)? And how many people do but don't admit it? It wouldn't have surprised me if the guy became our prime-minister! (I dont like his ideas but somehow it would be amusing to have a gay-radical-I-don't-give-a-fuck-about-your-political-customs prime minister speaking to that bastard bush!

Seems to me dutch democracy has taken a big kick in the face today. If...and only if this turns out to be done by a muslim...fuck...I don't even dare to think about it! Things are gonna change for sure.

[ServerGenius]

People get shot everywhere in the world...also in Holland.
I don´t say it´s right allthough I did NOT share his ideas.
This will probably only help right wing parties which is NOT GOOD!

DynaMite

[ServerGenius]

This just shows that there is NO real freedom of speech

I fail to understand the relation of murder with freedom of speech.
He had freedom of speech which probably got him killed because
1 idiot could not respect his right to freedom of speech.

DynaMite

[Naughty]

I just saw footage of him lying on the ground being re-animated. I think it is end of story.

I did not share his idea's either, but this ain't good.

[Ron2k1]

This is almost unreal. But sad enough it's true.

I still can hardly believe it....

[Naughty]

Confirmed: He died.

[mrthumbs]

Well.. people DO get shot for democracy here in Holland i suppose.. well we'll find out the upcoming days..

shit happens.. what a shame..

But hey.. it's always good to see Dutch Webmasters on this board..

[Dualcpu]

Originally posted by DynaSpain


I fail to understand the relation of murder with freedom of speech.
He had freedom of speech which probably got him killed because
1 idiot could not respect his right to freedom of speech.

DynaMite

You just explained it to yourself.

[mule]

Wow, I guess Holland will never quite be the same again. I never liked Pim Fortuyn or what he stood for, he was like the MetaformX of Dutch politics, but I hope they get the fucker who shot him.

[SirTreX]

I think many guys not-from-holland have the wrong impression of Pim Fortuyn. The internation press made Pim look like someone like Haider, or LePen, but he wasn't. He wasn't a racist, he wanted to decreate the number of crimes here etc..

I didn't agree with his ideas, I wans't gonna give him my vote,
but I do think people should know what kind of person he was,
not a racist...

Rest in peace.

[mrthumbs]

..and people saying that 'he had it coming': dont forget there
have been even more controversial persons in the past
gaining some political power.

Controversial people that really gave some people a
reason to hate them. They never got shot.

And besides his views on politcal refugees
i dont understand why people think he's 'unfriendly for
foreign people'. He's not a racist.

I really think Holland needs someone like Pim Fortuyn.
Not as much giving him credits for being a good politician
but for him to let other parties know that
they need to do their job a little better
and need to pay attention to the people which they serve.


Now it's back to old fasion politics..

[SirTreX]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
..and people saying that 'he had it coming': dont forget there
have been even more controversial persons in the past
gaining some political power.

Controversial people that really gave some people a
reason to hate them. They never got shot.

And besides his views on politcal refugees
i dont understand why people think he's 'unfriendly for
foreign people'. He's not a racist.

I really think Holland needs someone like Pim Fortuyn.
Not as much giving him credits for being a good politician
but for him to let other parties know that
they need to do their job a little better
and need to pay attention to the people which they serve.


Now it's back to old fasion politics..

I don't think so, because Lijst Fortuyn will continue and will get even more votes I think..

I'm gonna vote D66

[mrthumbs]

Did 'Leefbaar Nederland' grow after Fortuyn left?
No,

Most of the Dutch voters arent that bright you know.
You are overestimating them. They go for the person,
not the party. And now the person is dead i think
the last thing that will happen is 'lijst fortuyn' growing.

[SirTreX]

Originally posted by mrthumbs
Did 'Leefbaar Nederland' grow after Fortuyn left?
No,

Most of the Dutch voters arent that bright you know.
You are overestimating them. They go for the person,
not the party. And now the person is dead i think
the last thing that will happen is 'lijst fortuyn' growing.

Well i've seen the one who's gonna be the leader of Lijst Fortuyn
and I think he's the kinda person a lot of people are gonna vote
on. Also because Fortuyn ahs been shot...

Anyway.. the Netherlands won't be the same anymore, that's
for sure.

[FreeOnes]

THIS SUCKS BIG TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SirTreX]

What I don't understand is why the goverment says the murderer has NOT been arrested, while a young reporter has taped how a guy with a gun was arrested...

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by Dualcpu


You just explained it to yourself.

Did I ?

DynaMite

[kai-tracid]

R.I.P , nobody deserves this..

[zip]

This is really bad...

Seems like the buffalo theorie is getting more and more realistic:

All animals have predators, the sick and weak buffalos get eaten first by the lions. This results in the rest of the group coming out stronger.

We humans have a problem, we have no enemy's exept for ourselves. The low life scum breeds and breeds and makes society (the world?) more sick every day..

Where does it end?

[Exxxotica]

Does Krome have an alibi?

[Robert.$]

Originally posted by Dualcpu
This just shows that there is NO real freedom of speech.

When I hear things like this I must think about the Ice-T song "Freedom of speech...just watch what you say".

[boldy]

A bit of a late reply from a 100% PIM supporter ... I'm fucked up about this shit.

[SR]

Real horrible
A person that just kills someone is just real sick in his head.
If you kill someone because he raped your daughter or so it's wrong but I can imagine it but when you kill someone because he has other thoughts then you there is something wrong inyour brain.
And you know what.... this person will be free within 15 years.
You get max. 20 years minus 1/3 and even less if you behave well.
Time they do something about that.

R.I.P. Pim

[Beastiepoo]

Originally posted by mule
Wow, I guess Holland will never quite be the same again. I never liked Pim Fortuyn or what he stood for, he was like the MetaformX of Dutch politics, but I hope they get the fucker who shot him.

Having recently visited Holland and considering possibly relocating there, I have to say this does not bode well. I would not have supported his views but no man deserves to die for speaking his mind. I hope they catch the guy too.

[Onehelluvanoize]

Hey Boldy, I didnt know you were Dutch as well! I live here in the hague near the centre and we have some very amusing riots going on here right know...LOL!!!
Couple of hundred ppl are PISSED! Windows getting smashed, police charges and some rocktrowers...

[boldy]

Originally posted by Onehelluvanoize
Hey Boldy, I didnt know you were Dutch as well! I live here in the hague near the centre and we have some very amusing riots going on here right know...LOL!!!
Couple of hundred ppl are PISSED! Windows getting smashed, police charges and some rocktrowers...

I've lived in the hague for years... I saw these riots on the news, 90% of the people in it are NOT Pim supporters, just fucing skinheads who want to have some fun.

Not good, Pim was not a racist, he was just hitting the people with facts! I know, i've worked for the department of justice in The Netherlands and i had to do some nice queries on the database (management information) 80% of the crimes in the Netherlands are done by people with a Nothern African looks, if you know what i mean... I'm not a racist, my girlfriend is muslim.

And thats the truth... In fact, the truth will get you killed...

RIP Pim

[dutch]
ff een biertje halen in de zwarte ruiter ??!
[/dutch]

[ServerGenius]

I can't believe some of the replies.....a guy has been shot
Holland is not a safe country anymore....what the fuck?

Guys are being shot every day! This guy just happened to be
known and now it´s a big issue....john doe´s are getting shot
stabbed, lynched for 5 dollars for fuck sake....in Holland and
everywhere else in the world....Yes it´s tragic...Yes it´s wrong

Now some "wannabee" politician gets shot and now it´s all
horror and all over the news and is the country not safe.

What a bunch of crap...open your eyes...murder happens
every day people without names die for nothing....you don´t
have to be a politician to get shot.....

very sad, very wrong but hey it´s fucking reality and it happens
every fucking day....

DynaMite

[Dualcpu]

Dynaspain,

You have absolutely no clue at all.

Its not about just one guy getting shot.
It is about a political figure being murdered for expressing his views, which in The Netherlands is a rather new thing.

Remember: Democracy protects your freedom too.

[SirTreX]

DynaSpain, please shut up, because you really have no clue where you are talking about. This is not just some wannebe politician, and it's not even about it. It's about democracy! it's
about freedom of speech!

What a bunch of crap...open your eyes...murder happens
every day people without names die for nothing....you don´t
have to be a politician to get shot.....

Damn, are you really that stupid you actually say that bullshit?
You can compare this with Kennedy, for Holland it's the same
as it was for the you back then..

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by SirTreX
DynaSpain, please shut up, because you really have no clue where you are talking about. This is not just some wannebe politician, and it's not even about it. It's about democracy! it's
about freedom of speech!

Damn, are you really that stupid you actually say that bullshit?
You can compare this with Kennedy, for Holland it's the same
as it was for the you back then..

Calling me stupid...? DynaSpain happens to be Dutch and total
aware of the situation and about who Mr. Pim Fortuyn was....
So don´t give me Crap about freedom of Speech...

I agree it´s sad but it´s the action of a lunatic and not some
movement against the rights of freedom of Speech. Holland had
worse politicians.....Jan Maat just to name one and he didn´t got
Killed now did he?

Comparing JFK with this Clown is really a bad example. I hate to
bring it to you guys....this was just a media artist and by far not
a politician.

Don´t get me wrong I do feel it is very tragic that this has happened.

BUT.....the reactions that some show....and then dragging
things like freedom of speech in it is totally redigoulous and
far from reality....yes perhaps somebody hated him because his
opinion but this was the act from 1 idiot and not from a whole
cultural group.....therefore plain simple murder

DynaMite

[SirTreX]

you're obviously don't know the current politcal siuation in Holland. You don't understand, it doens't even matter wether he was a Media Artist or a Politician (which he was in my eyes),
it's about the fact there was 10.000's of people voting for him,
he was about to be the biggest party here, and he got killed..
When someone got killed because of where they stand for, it
means there's something wrong in Holland.. Every politician
nowadays has to watch out before they say something, or they
might get killed, that's not right..

[ServerGenius]

Well I left Holland just 8 months ago and still follow the news
and papers and most of my friends and family still live in Holland.
So yes I am still aware of the situation....Today the papers write
Pim was shot by a 33 year old Dutch White Male environmental
activist.....so no muslim, no non racist activist no cult group in
society....but a lunatic...

So this is what I meant....people jump to conclusions way too fast.
Again yes it's sad, Yes he was popular and would have gotten a
lot of votes....

I agree that it's a new that a politician gets shot and dies in Holland but in this case it could have been the president of Shell
aswell....

DynaMite

[Thumbelina]

Dynaspin is right on .................

T

[kai-tracid]

I hope they take out the bastard'who did this. Probably some fucking Left, Religious Motherfucker Who was afraid of all the 'right' words that were coming out of the mouth of Pim Fortuyn. He was probably so fucking scared that He decided to take him out.. How fucking sick man.. This is too fucking terrible.

[Sovjetz]

it's a sad situation, no need to clarify that......

My fear at this moment is that people will be voting for fortuyn not because they support his vision but to 'honor' him. And THAT is bothering me! Especially because his idea's are at most points disturbing and might even pose a thread to the modern dutch society. Also i do not think a group of relatively unorganised and inexperienced people would be capable of running a country. So my request to dutch webmasters and people....

vote for a vision, not to honor somebody!

There are plenty of other means to support/honor pim fortuyn

[Dualcpu]

Originally posted by Sovjetz
Also i do not think a group of relatively unorganised and inexperienced people would be capable of running a country.

You are right about that.

I don't mind them winning several seats, just not too many to make them the largest party.