Pheonix forum + CCBILL = Scrub Harder? WTF??? - GoFuckYourself.com

V_RocKs · 03-30-2006, 12:54 PM

I don't know about you guys but it seems really fucking odd and off to me that CCBILL would scrub extra hard during their own fucking webmaster conference!

My CCBILL ratios have went to complete shit. It has been about 4 or 5 days now since I've had decent sales like I had been getting. Same traffic, better promotions and I even through in some extra traffic. Go figure!

I know some of you are experiencing the same fucking thing. I make TONS of sales on EPOCH accounts and almost nothing with CCBILL sponsors...

I would think this would be something you might do when there isn't a forum in your own backyard. I would think you would relax the scrub so everyone is blowing sunshine up your ass at the show.

Strange.

phuner · 03-30-2006, 01:22 PM

i'm having the same problem

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by phuner

i'm having the same problem

me too. i can't remember the last time ccbill's ratios were so fucking brutal. time to add some different billers again.

ninavain · 03-30-2006, 01:39 PM

brutal

jimthefiend · 03-30-2006, 01:41 PM

Everyone is in Az. They prolly just set it to "auto scrub all" before they left. lol

edit: They are kinda weird lately. I have 6 checks sitting on my desk made out to girls who havent worked in this studio in 3 months. We've tried address change with them to no avail.

sfera · 03-30-2006, 02:04 PM

ur site dint load for me

V_RocKs · 03-30-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

Everyone is in Az. They prolly just set it to "auto scrub all" before they left. lol

edit: They are kinda weird lately. I have 6 checks sitting on my desk made out to girls who havent worked in this studio in 3 months. We've tried address change with them to no avail.

I guess those girls starting working for McDonalds and now they are pimpin...

NaughtyRob · 03-30-2006, 02:37 PM

Same problem here. Shit lately big time. Suddenly a few great days, then a good string of shitty days.

V_RocKs · 03-30-2006, 02:45 PM

I must admit I had about 4 kickass days just before the bubble burst... Perhaps tomorrow things will be back to normal?

Maybe it will take their last party and they will have a grand fanali where they throw the switch and ratios return to normal...

biskoppen · 03-30-2006, 02:59 PM

1:3700 here today

BVF · 03-30-2006, 03:18 PM

sales were terrible yesterday...If it wasn't for a good rebill day, the whole day would have been shot....Not looking great today either but it beats yesterday.

And I just set my preferences in the admin to only get emails when I get a sale. I turned everything else off so I don't even know if I got a lot of denials yesterday or today.

Some Guy · 03-30-2006, 03:21 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if CCBill randomly scrubbed certain accounts at certain times. My sales rocked all week, but before that, I had a good month where sales were almost non-existant. Made no sense, since my traffic was exactly the same.

Maybe they think if they don't scrub all accounts at once, people won't notice. I dunno'.

FireFoz · 03-30-2006, 03:28 PM

same here...it fucking blows....wtf ccbill ??

webair · 03-30-2006, 03:34 PM

Im at the show ill mentiion this thread to them

sucks

BOSS1 · 03-30-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

sales were terrible yesterday...If it wasn't for a good rebill day, the whole day would have been shot....Not looking great today either but it beats yesterday.

Thanks for telling my story!

Theo · 03-30-2006, 03:53 PM

Last month was very good. This month our ratios improved by 2.85% which make it even better

BiggleJones · 03-30-2006, 04:12 PM

Jesus Christ CCBill....this is the worst day Ive had in a loooooong time. And lots of people on many different boards are complaining about it, so I know its not just me. Fuckin Ghey!

SlamDesigns · 03-30-2006, 04:32 PM

Well guys, I've got you all beat. I've made a grand total of one sale and two rebills since CCBill did their upgrade a few weeks ago. Yeah, that fucking sucks! And like someone else said...I've sent more hits, better promotions, etc....and everything has still went to shit.

Andre · 03-30-2006, 04:33 PM

This is why on days like this I flip Paycom to be the primary in the cascase.

GotGauge · 03-30-2006, 04:53 PM

OMG, I just checked signups, Way Down...
But, as always I will check late tonight, they always seem to catch up.....

FilthyRob · 03-30-2006, 05:03 PM

I am afraid to even check.

minusonebit · 03-30-2006, 05:03 PM

Maybe they got drunk and cant figure out how to turn the extra-hard scrubbing off.

vulpes69 · 03-30-2006, 05:06 PM

Worst part is if you call them they will say nothing is wrong, must be you we have not had any other complaints.They think we are a bunch of morons. If the title of this thread was "thanks for the great hat ccbill" they would have posted on it 5 times by now.

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by vulpes69

Worst part is if you call them they will say nothing is wrong, must be you we have not had any other complaints.They think we are a bunch of morons. If the title of this thread was "thanks for the great hat ccbill" they would have posted on it 5 times by now.

the truth echoes

seven · 03-30-2006, 05:21 PM

someone always is complaining about ccbill scrubbing hard everyday no matter what time of the year so i guess ccbill is scrubbing hard 24/7/365?

well, for me i don't really see any diff scrub % on either ccbill/epoch. Also, I'd think you'd have to do 100s of sales per day to actually know if ANY processor is scrubbing harder or less. 4-5 sales/day tells you nothing about scrub %. That being said maybe it's just nice weather outside that's to blame

diesel · 03-30-2006, 05:21 PM

Now I am thinking why you keep making sales with epoch in the days when ccbill performs not good for you, maybe its because of the "free" memberships and prechecked crossales that used by most epoch sponsors? When this type of billing will go away, do you think you will get the same results?? If you get ratios like 1:1000+ now with 1 dollar trial , what ratios will you get with full membership?

Probono · 03-30-2006, 05:25 PM

CCbill earns money on sales not scrubs.

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Probono

CCbill earns money on sales not scrubs.

they KEEP their merchant account by scrubbing. they AVOID FINES from VISA and MC via scrubbing. if things look iffy for them, don't think they don't scrub really hard.

Probono · 03-30-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

they KEEP their merchant account by scrubbing. they AVOID FINES from VISA and MC via scrubbing. if things look iffy for them, don't think they don't scrub really hard.

and if they lose their merchant account what creek would we be up?

There are only 2 large trustworthy aggregators left and I doubt there will ever be another. We use them and we also use our own account, sales come and go in waves; I used to worry now I just think it's sunspots.

vulpes69 · 03-30-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

maybe it's just nice weather outside that's to blame

You do realize that just because it is nice when you look out your window does not make it nice all over the world, right?
We do far more than 4-5 sign ups a day and I've talked to quite a few webmasters who do more than 4-5 and they all say the same thing "ccbill sales are way off today"

Lace · 03-30-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

someone always is complaining about ccbill scrubbing hard everyday no matter what time of the year so i guess ccbill is scrubbing hard 24/7/365?

well, for me i don't really see any diff scrub % on either ccbill/epoch. Also, I'd think you'd have to do 100s of sales per day to actually know if ANY processor is scrubbing harder or less. 4-5 sales/day tells you nothing about scrub %. That being said maybe it's just nice weather outside that's to blame

When you go from 12-17 sales a day to 3, its quite obvious..

CCBill ratios have been SHIT lately. Flucuating like crazy.

European Lee · 03-30-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Probono

and if they lose their merchant account what creek would we be up?

CaveCreek.

What do i win?

Regards,

Lee

Ray@TastyDollars · 03-30-2006, 06:32 PM

Its not ccbill ( Nor Epoch, Nor Verotel), its just a slow shitty ass 2-3 days. We have both Epoch and CCbill and we are seeing the same shitty ass 2-3 days with both.

Just a slow period thats all, use it as an excuse to put in extra hours.

Ray

TreasureBucks · 03-30-2006, 06:42 PM

maybe this isnt going to be a popular opinion...

but.. my sales are rocking!!! great sales over the past few days.

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lace

When you go from 12-17 sales a day to 3, its quite obvious..

CCBill ratios have been SHIT lately. Flucuating like crazy.

thats exactly the FUCKING POINT right there. some pointy heads on here refuse to see it. going from 12-17 to 3 is outrageous.

seven · 03-30-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lace

When you go from 12-17 sales a day to 3, its quite obvious..

No, it's not. if you go from 100 sales a day to 3 yes it would be otherwise 12-17 more or less sales are like drops in the bucket. When you have the slow sales days just look at the declined sales.. how many were declined that day? I'd bet it won't be any more than usual atleast not that I have ever seen. if u go 12-17 sales a day to 3 it's simply your bad luck your surfers ain't buying.. so maybe start accepting it. I started accepting that about 9 years ago.

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

No, it's not. if you go from 100 sales a day to 3 yes it would be otherwise 12-17 more or less sales are like drops in the bucket. When you have the slow sales days just look at the declined sales.. how many were declined that day? I'd bet it won't be any more than usual atleast not that I have ever seen. if u go 12-17 sales a day to 3 it's simply your bad luck your surfers ain't buying.. so maybe start accepting it. I started accepting that about 9 years ago.

that is pure nonsense.

seven · 03-30-2006, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vulpes69

You do realize that just because it is nice when you look out your window does not make it nice all over the world, right?
We do far more than 4-5 sign ups a day and I've talked to quite a few webmasters who do more than 4-5 and they all say the same thing "ccbill sales are way off today"

dude! you need to get out more.. blaming the nice weather remark was a sarcasm.. thou one could easily argue that we don't worry too much about weather all over the world but just north america to make our sales

seven · 03-30-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

that is pure nonsense.

say who? an anon?

dude, i'd say if you worried less about your post count and actually did some work you'd also worry less about processors scrubbing harder or not

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by seven

say who? an anon?

dude, i'd say if you worried less about your post count and actually did some work you'd also worry less about processors scrubbing harder or not

man, are you just trying hard at being stupid or what? if someone disagrees with you, they aren't 'working hard' at the trade? as i said before, your poo-pooing someone who drops from 12-17 sales per day to 3 was as Kramer would say--------- waaaaaaaaaaaay off.

any good DILIGENT webmaster knows when his ratios are off. i've had webmasters complain to me after getting listed on thehun unfortunately on a day they are being scrubbed hard......bad luck and bad timing and they end up with one or two measly sign ups on hun traffic.....other days they'd do 4-5X that when they aren't being scrubbed so hard.

we know what the fuck we're talking about, not sitting in fucking hammocks all day, my friend.

seven · 03-30-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

man, are you just trying hard at being stupid or what? if someone disagrees with you, they aren't 'working hard' at the trade? as i said before, your poo-pooing someone who drops from 12-17 sales per day to 3 was as Kramer would say--------- waaaaaaaaaaaay off.

man! you need to start accepting the reality 12-17 sales are no big deals to many webmasters i personally know on this board neither is 12-17 to 3. If a webmaster is DILIGENT enough he will know ratios CAN and WILL differ every once and again that's the nature of our biz. it's NO surprise.

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Originally Posted by Bansheelinks

i've had webmasters complain to me after getting listed on thehun unfortunately on a day they are being scrubbed hard......bad luck and bad timing and they end up with one or two measly sign ups on hun traffic.....other days they'd do 4-5X that when they aren't being scrubbed so hard.

No, it could NEVER be my gallery that didn't do well it's either thehun traffic itself that sucked or ccbill scrubbed my ass. same old story over and over.. I had bought spots on hun for years in the past and still do every now and again never had i ever blamed the processor for a bad sales day, nor thehun traffic. I believe and I KNOW it's me who'd be to blame for bad sales not my processor, not thehun, not my mom who passed away, not my dad with a heart condition or my pregnant wife it's me myself to be blamed and i guess that makes me do better than average Joe and that makes me worry less about coming up with BS about why my gallery didn't convert. Damn! Now, I'm gonna have a bad sales day tomorrow for sure for wasting too much time in this thread.. maybe will too have to come up with a "CCBill scrubbing my ass again thread" tomorrow

Dodge2hot · 03-30-2006, 08:08 PM

Look, my ccbill sales have dropped to pretty much nothing. If it wasn't for Non Ccbill sites, I'd be fucked royally. Ccbill is doing something. Since their upgrade, I have dropped down by $300+ a week. Hard for me to beleive that this is by my Promoting habits and shit.

Something is fucked majorly.

latinasojourn · 03-30-2006, 08:26 PM

well, when netbilling checking and 2000charge in 2nd and 3rd position do more sales than ccbill in first position something is wrong.

and i've been on ccbill since 1998.

methinks something is wrong.

Bansheelinks · 03-30-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by latinasojourn

well, when netbilling checking and 2000charge in 2nd and 3rd position do more sales than ccbill in first position something is wrong.

and i've been on ccbill since 1998.

methinks something is wrong.

try telling that to some of the pointy heads on here

Hornydog4cooter · 03-30-2006, 09:11 PM

1:33054 on se traffic very depressing

BiggleJones · 03-30-2006, 09:19 PM

I'm not one to always jump on the "CCBill is scrubbing crazy" wagon that people post just everyday. But It IS the true today. I've talked to a lot of webmasters with sites that use CCBill, and its horrible across the board. I've been getting denials out the ass though.

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vulpes69 · 03-30-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Its not ccbill ( Nor Epoch, Nor Verotel), its just a slow shitty ass 2-3 days. We have both Epoch and CCbill and we are seeing the same shitty ass 2-3 days with both.

Just a slow period thats all, use it as an excuse to put in extra hours.

Ray

if you believe that than your a fucking idiot

vulpes69 · 03-30-2006, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seven

dude! you need to get out more.. blaming the nice weather remark was a sarcasm.. thou one could easily argue that we don't worry too much about weather all over the world but just north america to make our sales

Are you going to Toronto? if you are look me up I don't find loosing money funny.

03-30-2006, 12:54 PM	#1
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	Pheonix forum + CCBILL = Scrub Harder? WTF??? I don't know about you guys but it seems really fucking odd and off to me that CCBILL would scrub extra hard during their own fucking webmaster conference! My CCBILL ratios have went to complete shit. It has been about 4 or 5 days now since I've had decent sales like I had been getting. Same traffic, better promotions and I even through in some extra traffic. Go figure! I know some of you are experiencing the same fucking thing. I make TONS of sales on EPOCH accounts and almost nothing with CCBILL sponsors... I would think this would be something you might do when there isn't a forum in your own backyard. I would think you would relax the scrub so everyone is blowing sunshine up your ass at the show. Strange.

03-30-2006, 01:41 PM	#5
jimthefiend So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: icq: 121189 Posts: 18,889	Everyone is in Az. They prolly just set it to "auto scrub all" before they left. lol edit: They are kinda weird lately. I have 6 checks sitting on my desk made out to girls who havent worked in this studio in 3 months. We've tried address change with them to no avail. Last edited by jimthefiend; 03-30-2006 at 01:44 PM..

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BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	sales were terrible yesterday...If it wasn't for a good rebill day, the whole day would have been shot....Not looking great today either but it beats yesterday. And I just set my preferences in the admin to only get emails when I get a sale. I turned everything else off so I don't even know if I got a lot of denials yesterday or today. __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

03-30-2006, 01:22 PM	#2
phuner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 21	i'm having the same problem

03-30-2006, 01:39 PM	#4
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03-30-2006, 02:04 PM	#6
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03-30-2006, 02:45 PM	#9
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	I must admit I had about 4 kickass days just before the bubble burst... Perhaps tomorrow things will be back to normal? Maybe it will take their last party and they will have a grand fanali where they throw the switch and ratios return to normal...

03-30-2006, 03:21 PM	#12
Some Guy Affordable Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,750	It wouldn't surprise me if CCBill randomly scrubbed certain accounts at certain times. My sales rocked all week, but before that, I had a good month where sales were almost non-existant. Made no sense, since my traffic was exactly the same. Maybe they think if they don't scrub all accounts at once, people won't notice. I dunno'. __________________ Need a Cheap Design? - Cheap Quality Content Available! Fuck you Michelle Malkin and Fox News

03-30-2006, 03:28 PM	#13
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03-30-2006, 03:53 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Last month was very good. This month our ratios improved by 2.85% which make it even better

03-30-2006, 04:12 PM	#17
BiggleJones Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Downtown LA Posts: 2,276	Jesus Christ CCBill....this is the worst day Ive had in a loooooong time. And lots of people on many different boards are complaining about it, so I know its not just me. Fuckin Ghey!

03-30-2006, 04:32 PM	#18
SlamDesigns Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,339	Well guys, I've got you all beat. I've made a grand total of one sale and two rebills since CCBill did their upgrade a few weeks ago. Yeah, that fucking sucks! And like someone else said...I've sent more hits, better promotions, etc....and everything has still went to shit.

03-30-2006, 04:33 PM	#19
Andre Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Inside Your Head Posts: 1,156	This is why on days like this I flip Paycom to be the primary in the cascase.

03-30-2006, 04:53 PM	#20
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03-30-2006, 05:03 PM	#22
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Maybe they got drunk and cant figure out how to turn the extra-hard scrubbing off.

03-30-2006, 05:06 PM	#23
vulpes69 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7	Worst part is if you call them they will say nothing is wrong, must be you we have not had any other complaints.They think we are a bunch of morons. If the title of this thread was "thanks for the great hat ccbill" they would have posted on it 5 times by now.

03-30-2006, 05:21 PM	#25
seven Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: LaLa Land Posts: 2,697	someone always is complaining about ccbill scrubbing hard everyday no matter what time of the year so i guess ccbill is scrubbing hard 24/7/365? well, for me i don't really see any diff scrub % on either ccbill/epoch. Also, I'd think you'd have to do 100s of sales per day to actually know if ANY processor is scrubbing harder or less. 4-5 sales/day tells you nothing about scrub %. That being said maybe it's just nice weather outside that's to blame __________________ Toy Rev Rouge Web Design

03-30-2006, 05:21 PM	#26
diesel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,097	Now I am thinking why you keep making sales with epoch in the days when ccbill performs not good for you, maybe its because of the "free" memberships and prechecked crossales that used by most epoch sponsors? When this type of billing will go away, do you think you will get the same results?? If you get ratios like 1:1000+ now with 1 dollar trial , what ratios will you get with full membership?

03-30-2006, 05:25 PM	#27
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	CCbill earns money on sales not scrubs.

03-30-2006, 06:32 PM	#33
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Its not ccbill ( Nor Epoch, Nor Verotel), its just a slow shitty ass 2-3 days. We have both Epoch and CCbill and we are seeing the same shitty ass 2-3 days with both. Just a slow period thats all, use it as an excuse to put in extra hours. Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

03-30-2006, 06:42 PM	#34
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03-30-2006, 08:08 PM	#42
Dodge2hot Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 197	Look, my ccbill sales have dropped to pretty much nothing. If it wasn't for Non Ccbill sites, I'd be fucked royally. Ccbill is doing something. Since their upgrade, I have dropped down by $300+ a week. Hard for me to beleive that this is by my Promoting habits and shit. Something is fucked majorly. __________________ Sexy N Nude

03-30-2006, 08:26 PM	#43
latinasojourn Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,191	well, when netbilling checking and 2000charge in 2nd and 3rd position do more sales than ccbill in first position something is wrong. and i've been on ccbill since 1998. methinks something is wrong.

03-30-2006, 09:11 PM	#45
Hornydog4cooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,859	1:33054 on se traffic very depressing

03-30-2006, 09:19 PM	#46
BiggleJones Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Downtown LA Posts: 2,276	I'm not one to always jump on the "CCBill is scrubbing crazy" wagon that people post just everyday. But It IS the true today. I've talked to a lot of webmasters with sites that use CCBill, and its horrible across the board. I've been getting denials out the ass though.

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