CASINO QUESTION: Do you think BJ tables are rigged according to the minimum? - GoFuckYourself.com

jerzeemedia · 03-30-2006, 02:13 PM

I notice around here in Jersey at least, they'll have pits with minimums separating them. Example: one pit on a good night will have $25 min. while another is $50, the following $100. Do you think the decks are anymore rigged if at all based on the minimum? This going on the logic the higher the table minimum, the worse it is for the player. Any thoughts? I've noticed if I play $50-$100/hand at a $10 table, or even $25, I've gotten some really good results, while if I play at a $50 minimum table, my luck seems to go downhill a bit.

Verbal · 03-30-2006, 02:14 PM

It's not in the best interest of the casino to 'rig' the cards. Statistically they'll win in the longrun.

jerzeemedia · 03-30-2006, 02:15 PM

Verbal, I'd think the opposite just based on the fact they have the upper hand of the dealer working for rather than against them, and they control the decks. However of course I've been there when a fresh table opens up and I've watched them wash the cards. I'm talking maybe mid-play or even with those auto-shufflers. Just a curiousity.

Verbal · 03-30-2006, 02:20 PM

If it ever got out that a casino was 'rigging' cards, nobody would go there anymore. I think the house has a slight advantage in blackjack, maybe only 1 or 2 percent (if played right) ... but there is an advantage. They make enough to make a boat-load of money and wouldn't risk losing it by cheating.

Online casinos .... might be a different story.

RayBonga · 03-30-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

It's not in the best interest of the casino to 'rig' the cards. Statistically they'll win in the longrun.

Not hundred percent true when it comes to blackjack, check out this book:

Bringing Down the House: The Inside Story of Six M.I.T. Students Who Took Vegas for Millions by Ben Mezrich

Drake · 03-30-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbal

It's not in the best interest of the casino to 'rig' the cards. Statistically they'll win in the longrun.

This is true.

Also, statistically BJ gives the player a small edge over the house when a single deck is being used. But then again, that's why there is are no single deck BJ tables in any Casino.

I never had the stamina to learn card counting good enough either

jerzeemedia · 03-30-2006, 02:41 PM

Mike,

I saw quite a bit of single-deck games in Vegas, jersey, I haven't seen any. Also, the rules are modified a bit for SD, and they're not in favor of the player in terms of payout so the risk is greater from my understanding.

lazycash · 03-30-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike33

This is true.

Also, statistically BJ gives the player a small edge over the house when a single deck is being used. But then again, that's why there is are no single deck BJ tables in any Casino.

I never had the stamina to learn card counting good enough either

The house still has the advantage in a single deck game even if the player utilizes optimal basic strategy. I'm not sure where you have gambled, but there are hundreds of casinos with single deck blackjack, I just got back from Vegas where I played single deck in no less than 5 casinos.

As per the original post, there is no rigging of the cards in blackjack and nothing based on table limits. I've had incredible success at $100 tables and done horribly at a $10 table and vice versa.

RawAlex · 03-30-2006, 03:05 PM

You would probalbly all feel better if you researched the actual numbers. BJ is a house advantage game mostly because the house goes last - and therefore often does not have to play at all (player busts). This is doubly so when playing a fuller table, as the house benefits more from a strong player starting position than the individual players do from the dealer having a weak starting position.

It is very close to being a 50/50 game, the numbers change slightly depenging on how individual casinos treat splits, aces, and player blackjacks (some places may pay the player blackjack without consulting the deal cards, other places will push a player blackjack if the deal also has blackjack).

The numbers and percentages are very, very slight to both sides - but enough to the house side that casinos gladly operate tables all you like.

Oh yeah, in answer to the original question: If you add more decks and cut higher, you can change the odds slightly and make card counting and other predictive strategies less effective as the active part of the deck may have an average higher or lower single card value.

Alex

marketsmart · 03-30-2006, 03:18 PM

i will only play 2 deck hand shuffled. the palms in vegas has it and i dont see it very often...

High Plains Drifter · 03-30-2006, 03:23 PM

There aren't any rigged tables in Atlantic City.

03-30-2006, 02:13 PM	#1
jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	CASINO QUESTION: Do you think BJ tables are rigged according to the minimum? I notice around here in Jersey at least, they'll have pits with minimums separating them. Example: one pit on a good night will have $25 min. while another is $50, the following $100. Do you think the decks are anymore rigged if at all based on the minimum? This going on the logic the higher the table minimum, the worse it is for the player. Any thoughts? I've noticed if I play $50-$100/hand at a $10 table, or even $25, I've gotten some really good results, while if I play at a $50 minimum table, my luck seems to go downhill a bit. __________________ Free Adult Blog Hosting http://www.waqn.com free porn www.mojohost.com - Best guys, best host.

03-30-2006, 02:15 PM	#3
jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Verbal, I'd think the opposite just based on the fact they have the upper hand of the dealer working for rather than against them, and they control the decks. However of course I've been there when a fresh table opens up and I've watched them wash the cards. I'm talking maybe mid-play or even with those auto-shufflers. Just a curiousity. __________________ Free Adult Blog Hosting http://www.waqn.com free porn www.mojohost.com - Best guys, best host.

03-30-2006, 02:41 PM	#7
jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Mike, I saw quite a bit of single-deck games in Vegas, jersey, I haven't seen any. Also, the rules are modified a bit for SD, and they're not in favor of the player in terms of payout so the risk is greater from my understanding. __________________ Free Adult Blog Hosting http://www.waqn.com free porn www.mojohost.com - Best guys, best host.

03-30-2006, 03:23 PM	#11
High Plains Drifter Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ♠ ♣ ♥ Posts: 2,341	There aren't any rigged tables in Atlantic City. __________________

03-30-2006, 02:14 PM	#2
Verbal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,420	It's not in the best interest of the casino to 'rig' the cards. Statistically they'll win in the longrun.

03-30-2006, 02:20 PM	#4
Verbal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,420	If it ever got out that a casino was 'rigging' cards, nobody would go there anymore. I think the house has a slight advantage in blackjack, maybe only 1 or 2 percent (if played right) ... but there is an advantage. They make enough to make a boat-load of money and wouldn't risk losing it by cheating. Online casinos .... might be a different story.

03-30-2006, 03:05 PM	#9
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	You would probalbly all feel better if you researched the actual numbers. BJ is a house advantage game mostly because the house goes last - and therefore often does not have to play at all (player busts). This is doubly so when playing a fuller table, as the house benefits more from a strong player starting position than the individual players do from the dealer having a weak starting position. It is very close to being a 50/50 game, the numbers change slightly depenging on how individual casinos treat splits, aces, and player blackjacks (some places may pay the player blackjack without consulting the deal cards, other places will push a player blackjack if the deal also has blackjack). The numbers and percentages are very, very slight to both sides - but enough to the house side that casinos gladly operate tables all you like. Oh yeah, in answer to the original question: If you add more decks and cut higher, you can change the odds slightly and make card counting and other predictive strategies less effective as the active part of the deck may have an average higher or lower single card value. Alex

03-30-2006, 03:18 PM	#10
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	i will only play 2 deck hand shuffled. the palms in vegas has it and i dont see it very often...