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Sexxxy Sites 03-29-2006 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
having trouble with your memory.. ?:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How old are you ?
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Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites
Flying a small plane is no more difficult than driving a car. Once you learn to fly a small plane learning to fly a large plane (having practiced on a simulator and learning certain characteristics) is no more difficult than flying a small plane.


You have a reading comprehension problem that you accuse others of having and a problem with word definition. For your edification "easy" and "same" are not synonymous.

Over and out as I have work to do. In addition as I have stated I am not into arguing with immature board whores or even mature board whores.

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
The white man aka US Government did take your land.

There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.

That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.

:1orglaugh
isn't that how every country was founded ? I'm not saying it was right , but every country basically has had this happen at some point or another..

Indians were just asians who crossed the land bridge when it existed..

Sexxxy Sites 03-29-2006 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
dude string together a coherent statement please, nobody can uderstand your drivel.

Your one of the growing number of people who seem to not understand english.

You didnt even read the thread but you think you know how i feel ? stop smoking the crack son.. I idnt post any "theories" i posted 3 questions.. none of which you have answered or come close to answering..
It is apparent that english is a second lanquage for him and while you accuse him of not understanding english it is apparent that you do not know how to spell in english. Is english per chance your second language?

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites
Over and out as I have work to do. In addition as I have stated I am not into arguing with immature board whores or even mature board whores.
I wouldnt argue with people when you dont have a single valid point either... you should have thought about that before you posted.. or perhaps started with answering the first post in this thread :winkwink: but then again you would have to deal with reality and not conjecture..

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites
When all else fails and i cant make an argument ill try shooting for a typo
:1orglaugh your a funny guy , after all that the best you could come up with is a typo . :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Scootermuze 03-29-2006 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.:helpme
I for one have no idea what brought them down..
But here we have the only 3 buildings in the history of steel framed that fell
due to fire.. All next to each other.. All falling with within a short time span.. All falling in the very same manner (one with only 2 smallish fires) .. melted steel.. concrete turning to dust.. sections of the buildings closed off for cable repair/maintenance a few days before the attacks.. Fema conveniently being in the vicinity for preparedness drills on the day of the attack..

Anyone that gives it much thought can't help but have a few questions..

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 03:53 PM
btw what did i spell wrong ? i'm curious now.. i never claimed to be a master speller but might as well point it out now that you have said it..

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 03:57 PM
did you mean the 1 missing "n" in understand ? thats your whole argument , and you typo'd the complaint AFTER editing it ? LOL grow up

nexcom28 03-29-2006 04:02 PM
There are many,many things I would like to comment on in this thread but I am not going to for 2 reasons:
#1 I don't have the time
#2 I will proberbly get beaten by someone..

Scootermuze 03-29-2006 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KRL
The white man aka US Government did take your land.

There were a lot of conspiracies involved in that escapade for sure.

That's why it cracks me up in some other threads on the immigration issues, where people "This is OUR country!". WTF? The Indians were here long before us and we just came and settled on their land, slaughtered them all, and then forced the ones still alive onto Indian Reservations with some token BS compensation.

:1orglaugh
Then bitch when they want to put a casino on a reservation.. where there'd be no tax obligations..

Oh well.. I wasn't there, so I can't act like I'm offended and owed.. That'd be like the black folks bitching about being owed because of the slavery days.. which was another chapter in the history books..

Mr. Soul 03-29-2006 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum
Lol ok what you heard MUST be the truth then? Give me a break the chain of command was too long in this instance and the 911 report CLEARLY explains why jets were NOT scrambled that day.

The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this. The official report says that the fire and subsequent damage IS what brought down the buildings.

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Your post now is simply troll bait Smokey, at first I thought you were serious but now your subtle insuations do not even hold water. The reasons have been explained and are quite evident, you just refuse to believe the answers.

If you choose to believe there is some "other" explanation than the official version why dont you just come out and explain it to us. Please provide the relevent expert testimony as well, just to make it even with the official version.

In the end I hate to put you on my post whore list but I might have to. :(


Oh my dear God, you're so full of shit. Not a single non-government engineer has ever said anything close to that on the record. In fact I've heard many tenured professors of physics and engineering say the exact opposite. Keep your head buried in the sand if you're too cowardly to consider anything other than official government explanation, but stop making shit up to make yourself feel better. Makes you look really stupid.

KRL 03-29-2006 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Then bitch when they want to put a casino on a reservation.. where there'd be no tax obligations..

Oh well.. I wasn't there, so I can't act like I'm offended and owed.. That'd be like the black folks bitching about being owed because of the slavery days.. which was another chapter in the history books..
I'd have to agree, the USA fucked over the blacks even worse during the hundred years we kept them as slaves and the other hundred where they had minimal civil rights.

Mr. Soul 03-29-2006 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by spanky part 2
"The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions
One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was."

Do you have any idea how tight security was in the WTC. No you don't, because my bet is you have never been out of your redneck state, wherever that is.

I went thru there on an almost daily basis, and you did not get into the upper areas without passing thru very tight security.

Think about the amount of explosives it would have taken to bring those 3 buildings down. You are saying that not one person would have questioned anything.:helpme

People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.

stickyfingerz 03-29-2006 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Again.. you did yourself deeper....

These men were repeatedly deemed incompetent to solo a simple Cessna-172..

A common misconception non-pilots have about simulators is how ?easy? it is to operate them. They are indeed relatively easy to operate if the objective is to make a few lazy turns and frolic about in the ?open sky?. But if the intent is to execute any kind of a maneuver with even the least bit of precision, the task immediately becomes quite daunting. And if the aim is to navigate to a specific geographic location hundreds of miles away while flying at over 500 MPH, 30,000 feet above the ground the challenges become virtually impossible for an untrained pilot..
For a person not conversant with the practical complexities of pilotage, a modern flight simulator could present a terribly confusing and disorienting experience. These complex training devices are not even remotely similar to the video games one sees in amusement arcades, or even the software versions available for home computers.

In the case of a Boeing 757 or 767, the pilot would be faced with an EFIS (Electronic Flight Instrumentation System) panel comprised of six large multi-mode LCDs interspersed with clusters of assorted ?hard? instruments. These displays process the raw aircraft system and flight data into an integrated picture of the aircraft situation, position and progress, not only in horizontal and vertical dimensions, but also with regard to time and speed as well. When flying ?blind?, I.e., with no ground reference cues, it takes a highly skilled pilot to interpret, and then apply, this data intelligently. If one cannot translate this information quickly, precisely and accurately (and it takes an instrument-rated pilot to do so), one would have ZERO SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. I.e., the pilot wouldn?t have a clue where s/he was in relation to the earth. Flight under such conditions is referred to as ?IFR?, or Instrument Flight Rules.

Nila Sagadevan, aeronautical engineer, pilot.

He must be one of those wack jobs that doesn't know the truth..

But then you have your Microsoft 2000 flight simulator, so you are the authority...
Dude they didnt train on a small plane. They trained on simulators for 747 and up. There are simulators all over the world like that.

stickyfingerz 03-29-2006 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Ok.. I understood and accepted it...

they said the fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel.. Which is what I've said..

Oh no.. that means if you agree with that site, you agree with me! :)

As for the rest of it... Lots of could have's and may have's.. like I responded earlier...

You're right.. simple terms..

Keep digging :)
You DID NOT understand it then. Reread it and come back. No one but you wackos has said the metal melted. It was weakened by more than half by the heat.

Let me make this easy. Do you think that steel stays exactly the same stength while it is being heated UNTIL it hits the magic melting tempeture? Silly silly kids.

FetishTom 03-29-2006 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.
Damn I thought the Smokey Bear and Soulman had given up - ah well cannot be arsed to trawl through all their rantings but it does seem people have started to work out the Smokey game!:thumbsup

As for the man of soul - and I picked on this answer/post because it was the last on the thread at time of writing - I mean dude you seriously consider the above an adaquate response to a reasonable observation? But congrats to you on one thing and that is in two separate threads you have done more to discredit the 'It was the US Govt that did it!' then a whole army of conspiracy doubters!:winkwink:

As for good old Smokey. On the whole its been fun smacking you around but you have overplayed it now and people are starting to refuse to join in so give it up dude as it is now a game of diminishing returns!

spanky part 2 03-29-2006 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
People in the WTC were exacuated serveral times in the days and weeks before sept 11th. If you're going to argue, at least know what you're arguing about. Saves everyone a lot of time.
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I lived next to the buildings and don't remember any large masses of people being evacuated in the days and weeks before 9-11. I think I would have noticed 10's of thousands of people on the streets.

You are talking shit to someone who does know. Here's a little test for you on you knowledge. How many subway lines stopped at the wtc? What was the name of the donut shop at the wtc? Was there or was there not a McDonalds there? Where was the shopping mall located?

My bet is you can't answer any of these questions and are completely full of shit.

You are talking about my hood, where I spent a major portion of my life. So yes I do know what I am talking about.

CyberHustler 03-29-2006 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum
The official report(s) actually do explain why the towers fell and why jets werent scrambled.
1. Look no one anticipated in the 1970s when the WTC was built that a 9000 pound molotov cocktail would be slamming into it, what you fail to understand is that these planes were FILLED WITH FUEL which shot into the building at the point of impact.
2. The chain of command for jets being scrambled was long(because of safeguards which are needed) and the airlines/low level officials had a policy of cooperating with terrorists not considering they planes would be used as bombs.
3. What Pentagon videos do you speak of? There is only one that I was aware of.

Look I think the bottom line is that you WISH something was amiss but quite frankly as tragedies go this one is pretty cut and dried to most logical people. Sure after the fact many politicians and people of power took advantage of 9/11 but lets not confuse the exploitation of 9/11 with the actual tragedy itself.
FUEL DOESN'T HEAT UP ENOUGH TO BURN THOSE STEAL BEAMS IN THE WTC HOMEBOY!

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FetishTom
Damn I thought the Smokey Bear and Soulman had given up - ah well cannot be arsed to trawl through all their rantings but it does seem people have started to work out the Smokey game!:thumbsup !
haha fetishtom is back to talk more smack but cant backup anything he says with any facts , typical pointless and childish. you were played out halfway through this thread as another moron who cant read properly..

I said come back when you have proof , not more drivel..:1orglaugh

Try answering one of the three questions in the beginning of this thread you have failed to address.

Bah on sheepboy :)

Scootermuze 03-29-2006 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Splum
The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this.
Jaheeeezus!!!! Here you're saying that the engineers CONFIRMED that the steel columns melted...

Then in another reply you give me this:

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Here are your FACTS buddy
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
Where it says: While the fire would not have been hot enough to melt any of the steel,.....

You really need to make up your mind about what you believe.. :)

Rochard 03-29-2006 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
hopefully this will put to silence once and for all , all the people who use the word conspiracy incorectly when referring to 9/11 because they are to lazy or stubborn to look it up themselves
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CONSPIRACY ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kn-sphahaha238;r-s)

Law. An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
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No, it doesn't silence me.

If your calling a "consipiracy" a simple act of two or more people planning and then committing a crime, then yes, this was in fact a conspiracy - A conspiracy commited by over a dozen people who weren't citizens of the United States.

I think a consipiracy is much much more than just this simple act. Usually the terms is a reference to the government covering something up.

I like this much better:

CONSPIRACY
Common non-legal usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some improper goal, generally with negative connotations.

Did our Government cover anything up? I find it highly unlikely when the head of a terrorist organization is saying they did it.

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 05:17 PM
I hate to break it to you fetishtom , but we are on the same side you are just too stupid to realise it yet.

Instead of blathering on with idiotic statements , heres a concept for you.. try making a coherent statement on the 3 questions that i asked.. we are well aware you can type on and on and say nothing but can you actually read comprehend and respond with anything valid..? that has yet to be proven..

NoCarrier 03-29-2006 05:19 PM
This has to be the friendliest thread of the month so far.

directfiesta 03-29-2006 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Dude they didnt train on a small plane. They trained on simulators for 747 and up. There are simulators all over the world like that.
Not true. Atta got ONE DAY on a 727 simulator ... one fucking day ... He is a very fast learner:

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In March 2000, while still in Germany, Atta contacted 31 different U.S. flight schools to discuss training to fly planes.

Atta traveled to Prague, stayed overnight, and then entered the U.S. on June 3. Atta and earlier arrived hijackers opened bank accounts and continue to check on flight schools.

In July, Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi enrolled at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida. Atta claimed to be of royal Saudi descent and presented Marwan as his bodyguard.

Both earned their instrument certificates from the FAA in November. On November 5th, Atta purchased flight deck videos for Boeing 747-200 and Boeing 757-200 models from Sporty's Pilot Shop in Batavia, Ohio.

On December 11th, Atta purchased additional flight deck videos for Airbus A320 and Boeing 767-300ER models from the same store in Ohio. On December 21st, both Atta and Marwan are granted their pilot licenses. On the 26th or 27th, Atta and Marwan abandoned a Piper Cherokee that had stalled on the runway of Miami International Airport. On the 29th, Atta and Marwan went to the Opa-Locka Airport and practised on a Boeing 727 simulator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Atta
Why do you always say things without knowing about it ... you basically just repeat stuff you heard or what ?

stickyfingerz 03-29-2006 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BuySexProducts
FUEL DOESN'T HEAT UP ENOUGH TO BURN THOSE STEAL BEAMS IN THE WTC HOMEBOY!
Read the whole fuckin thread next time eh? Ill repeat it.

Let me make this easy. Do you think that steel stays exactly the same stength while it is being heated UNTIL it hits the magic melting tempeture? Silly silly kids.

Rochard 03-29-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis
It was not tens of thousands of gallons of fuel. A 767 fuel capacity is a little under 24,000 gallons, and they are not normally fueled to capacity on intercontinental flights. Most of the fuel was burned off in the explosion, and the fuel that wasnt would have burned itself off quickly.

If burning jet fuel was capable of melting metal why in the hell doesnt it burn the inner components of a jet engine?
Oh Christ. I suck at math, but clearly you have no idea of what the numbers really represent.

Twenty four thousand gallons is in fact "tens of thousands" of gallons.

This all makes perfect sense to me now. There are people on GFY saying they are having horrible ratios. Chances are this is because they can't do third grade math.

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard
No, it doesn't silence me.

If your calling a "consipiracy" a simple act of two or more people planning and then committing a crime, then yes, this was in fact a conspiracy - A conspiracy commited by over a dozen people who weren't citizens of the United States.

I think a consipiracy is much much more than just this simple act. Usually the terms is a reference to the government covering something up.

I like this much better:

CONSPIRACY
Common non-legal usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some improper goal, generally with negative connotations.

Did our Government cover anything up? I find it highly unlikely when the head of a terrorist organization is saying they did it.
Thats where your wrong, the government has nothing to do with the definiton or the usage of the word unless specifically implied .. i.e. ( government conspiracy )

You were under a false impression of the meaning of the word, dont feel bad i was under the same false impression until i read the first 9/11 report

CyberHustler 03-29-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
I hate to break it to you fetishtom , but we are on the same side you are just too stupid to realise it yet.

Instead of blathering on with idiotic statements , heres a concept for you.. try making a coherent statement on the 3 questions that i asked.. we are well aware you can type on and on and say nothing but can you actually read comprehend and respond with anything valid..? that has yet to be proven..
i would like to add one more question, WHAT DID SADDAM HAVE TO DO WITH 9/11?

stickyfingerz 03-29-2006 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
Not true. Atta got ONE DAY on a 727 simulator ... one fucking day ... He is a very fast learner:



Why do you always say things without knowing about it ... you basically just repeat stuff you heard or what ?
Ok so then. You just proved that the terrorists DID train to fly a large commercial airplane... NOW Why would they do that if it was all a GOVERNMENT conspiracy? Hmmmmmmmmm nice work Einstein lol :thumbsup

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 05:28 PM
or did the 9/11 hijackers NOT work in secret to obtain an improper goal with a negative conotation ?

woj 03-29-2006 05:29 PM
150........

directfiesta 03-29-2006 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Ok so then. You just proved that the terrorists DID train to fly a large commercial airplane... NOW Why would they do that if it was all a GOVERNMENT conspiracy? Hmmmmmmmmm nice work Einstein lol :thumbsup
You are even more of an idiot than I tought ....

I never denied that the terrorists trained... nobody did ... I just corrected you on another of your false statment ( you are so knowledgeable ... ) and pointed out that he had ONE DAY on the flight simulator ( a 727, not the plane they HJ ) ...

Amazing how fast this guy learned and how good is aim was ... Why do pilots spend months training... Oups, they are americans, so not as good ...

You want conspiration on Atta flying lessons... google VENICE FLYERS ATTA....

I know you are against abortion, and now I know why : self preservation ...

CyberHustler 03-29-2006 05:46 PM
http://colorado.indymedia.org/userme...P_MARS_TOO.jpg

Scootermuze 03-29-2006 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
You DID NOT understand it then. Reread it and come back. No one but you wackos has said the metal melted. It was weakened by more than half by the heat.
Kewl.. More wackos that saw molten steel.. :)

Leslie Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center Towers, who reported that ?As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.? (Williams, 2001, p. 3; emphasis added.)

Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force On Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna. She reported in Penn Arts and Sciences, summer 2002,
?Nobody's going to be alive.' Fires burned and [b]molten steel[/] flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet. (Penn, 2002; emphasis added.)

Dr. Allison Geyh was one of a team of public health investigators from Johns Hopkins who visited the WTC site after 9-11. She reported in the Late Fall 2001 issue of Magazine of Johns Hopkins Public Health, "In some pockets now being uncovered they are finding molten steel.?

Damn what a bunch of wackos....!!!

Quote:
Let me make this easy. Do you think that steel stays exactly the same stength while it is being heated UNTIL it hits the magic melting tempeture? Silly silly kids.
Ahh... but there shouldn't have been a magic melting temperature...
Thanks for making that easy.. :)

and I went back and re-read it and I read things like:

This is an initial suggestion, originally written on Sept 11 2001 (with some minor subsequent changes) on one possible reason for failure, and should not be regarded as official advice.

yes indeedy.. now there's reason to refer to that page as gospel.. :)

Then there are the various:

It appears likely......
It is possible that the blaze.....
These conditions may have ....
The extent to which the internal parts were damaged during the collision may be evident in the rubble if any forensic investigation is conducted.


So basically the whole page says.. "This is what might have happened if these other things happened"

Sooooo ya gotny more sites with such crucial information??

SmokeyTheBear 03-29-2006 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
So basically the whole page says.. "This is what might have happened if these other things happened"

Sooooo ya gotny more sites with such crucial information??
correct and it also says that he conducted his opinions based on tv footage and pictures.. and he did it ON sept 11 thus within hours of the attack.. no engineer worth anything would publish such ridiculous theories and put their name on it.. ( although he did make it rather clear that they were just guesses from an uninformed viewpoint )

SuckOnThis 03-29-2006 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Oh Christ. I suck at math, but clearly you have no idea of what the numbers really represent.

Twenty four thousand gallons is in fact "tens of thousands" of gallons.

This all makes perfect sense to me now. There are people on GFY saying they are having horrible ratios. Chances are this is because they can't do third grade math.

My math is fine but your comprehension is not.

KRL 03-29-2006 06:02 PM
http://www.wernersplace.com/images/m...on_the_run.jpg

:1orglaugh

CyberHustler 03-29-2006 06:05 PM
http://www.ridiculopathy.com/stock/bush2.jpg

Scootermuze 03-29-2006 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
I hate to break it to you fetishtom , but we are on the same side you are just too stupid to realise it yet.

Yo! Smokey.. I agree 100% with your wanting answers to questions as you can see from my posts, but you're succeeding at little more than just pissing people off with your demeanor..

I find these threads quite interesting and love a good debate, albeit a never-ending battle between beliefs in varying directions..

My brother says I'd argue with a fence post, and in some instances he's right.. but my sarcasms are all in fun.. Getting pissed on a message forum just results in back & forth slamming..

Now on with the fun :)

stickyfingerz 03-29-2006 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta
You are even more of an idiot than I tought ....

I never denied that the terrorists trained... nobody did ... I just corrected you on another of your false statment ( you are so knowledgeable ... ) and pointed out that he had ONE DAY on the flight simulator ( a 727, not the plane they HJ ) ...

Amazing how fast this guy learned and how good is aim was ... Why do pilots spend months training... Oups, they are americans, so not as good ...

You want conspiration on Atta flying lessons... google VENICE FLYERS ATTA....

I know you are against abortion, and now I know why : self preservation ...
Yes because we know everything about what the terrorists did prior to the attack. How do you know he didnt train other places? huh?


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