Sponsors, and their retention ability - GoFuckYourself.com

CDSmith · 05-02-2002, 10:47 PM

Oh no, not another thread about sponsors, shit man!!

No, I just have a few questions and observances, and I am hoping that some of the more experienced webmasters will offer input. No big deal.

I'm just wondering..... there are a lot of big companies that have 50 or more sites to promote, but from the standpoint of the surfer, just how much "bang for the buck" can one really expect at some of these sites? Like ARS for example... They have a bazillion sites for us to promote and lots of suggested text to use to say how great all their sites are, but just how great are they? If any of you have wanked on in to a rendom pay site and had a look-see, let me know what you thought. Was it worth the membership fee? If so, why?

I have a webmaster's pass to bangbus.com, and the thing I see in there that would "hook" the member to recur is the regular updates of new stuff. The retention rate is pretty good, but I see other sponsors of mine that really just plain suck at retaining members beyond the first month. Some sponsors would like to blame me for that, saying my traffic sucks or whatever, but is it me and my sites or is it the sponsor's sites themselves? I mean, if the sponsor's site isn't "all that and a bag of chips", then isn't that the reason the new member won't rebill? Plus, if you have 50 sites to update, is the surfer to assume that all 50 sites are going to be updated enough to warrant another $39.95 for another month?

Some sponsors seem to be able to rebill certain members for 6 to 12 months or more, yet others seem to have problems retaining a member beyond even 1 month! What about www.thewetlands.com ? I know a few of you guys are long-timers that are or have promoted them. Can anyone offer input on them as to their effectiveness in 2002? If so, provide me your referral code and I'll sign up under you.

Comments, please..... lots of informed comments. Thanks.
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sinmaster · 05-02-2002, 11:13 PM

CD,
I to am in a similiar situation, I have a couple of sponsors that can't retain a member past the trial and others that have had members stay for many months.
So far the best retaining site I have used is localgspot (see sig)
They have a unique personal ads database, the users can search for others that are into specific "kinky" things and what not.
All the ads (thousands) are all hand filtered to make sure they are real and not bullshit.
Not to mention a shit load of content for the surfer.
I have found the best way to promote and convert this traffic is to use advertising like everyone uses for ifriends etc...
The front end may not be spit shined and polished to perfection but it works.
As for the wetlands.com I have never tried them out, may have to do that though.

Later and good luck

stangster · 05-02-2002, 11:46 PM

Oh..Canada..

BOO..

Hisss..

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 12:13 AM

Sin.... looks interesting. Do they offer anything in the way of free content to promote them? Most of my current sponsors seem to spend a good chunk of change on free content for webmasters to use to promote their sites with. Amateurepages has about what.... 500 pics available at all times for us? And topbucks, forgetaboutit.... they have daily updated galleries as well as a ton of free pics for promotion. Same with ARS.

Adding banners and FPA's is okay to get started, but I have found that with the right content and the right sponsor, a properly done gallery submitted to 2 or 3 dozen big TGP's on a daily basis can net you a shitload of money. In order to do that you need a lot of free content. Do they have if?

Their banners and FPA's look pretty good though.

Anyone promoting thewetlands? I would really like to know how they are doing these days, they've been around for a long long time now. Saturation? Over-promoted? Still kicking ass? If still kicking ass, then by all means refer me!
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Bake · 05-03-2002, 12:24 AM

Hey CD your still alive , ICQ me I have a few that might interest you plus some other stuff

FiReC · 05-03-2002, 12:27 AM

The first sale I ever made was from a sponser that I had never seen anywhere on the net. I belive the site was http://www.kyleechristopher.com . It's probably so old that I missed the time when everyone was promoting it but it has done well for me on rather minimal traffic. The point is that underpromoted sponsers, the ones you never see promoted any where else and have exclusive content, are your best bets for sure fire sales. Drunkspringbreakgirls.com has killer video content that sells and retains. The guys running the site are getting new footage all the time, and have so much footage to cut up and post that the current members aren't going anywhere. Hardly anyone is promoting it as of now so i suggest being one of the first to get the webmaster content on some galleries.

stangster · 05-03-2002, 12:48 AM

SNOW · 05-03-2002, 12:52 AM

Cd I have plenty of free content that not uploaded yet..But my mafiagalleries are almost completed..Probably tommorow or sat..

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 01:02 AM

Fire --- I'll check out the programs you mentioned, but one of the other big things I value in a sponsor is the ability to refer other webmasters to them and get credit for the referrals. In times of poor sales, some good solid income can be made from your referred webmasters, so I look for that in new sponsors for sure. But I agree about the "little known" sponsors. But one of the biggest reservations webmasters have is this...... "will the sponsor pay?" (and pay fairly, and on TIME!!)???? That's why the widely-known popular large sponsors are so popular.... because they PAY. I've tried some little known sponsors and have been burned in the past for a lot of cash, so I'm hesitant to send hard-earned traffic to an unknown unless they come very highly recommended.

Mick Bake!! --- Hey, I'll ICQ you tomorrow, I have a half-day long-distance conference call this morning, and I'm launching a new site in the afternoon, so today is a-no good. But I will say this.... there is a guy out there that is using a LOT of our email addresses in order to spam. I received an email from a "Mick BaKe" a few days ago, from one of your email addy's, but I know that it was from this spamming guy and not you. I meant to tell you Mick, the guy is running some software that seems to allow him to use anyone's email account for his own spamming shit. I saved the "email properties" if you feel like going after him, just say the word. He's pissing off a lot of webmasters lately. The fucker even used one of MY OWN email addresses to send his spam shit to me!!

Snow-meister --- shoot me a link. I'm about ready to promote some new sponsors and I'd like to take a look at what you have.

Talk to you soon man.
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SNOW · 05-03-2002, 01:07 AM

Good to see you back,,Where have you been>?

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 01:13 AM

I've been to London to visit the queen

Actually, I launched a new casino and I've been working on redesigning my massive model's site "CD's Models on the Web", I have about 120 model's galleries to re-do yet, but it's coming along. Plus I took some time off too, just because.

...."just because" I'm a webmaster and I can that is. Some would call me a lazy mofo, but that's okay, I don't mind. After working for others for so many fucking years I am really enjoying being my own boss. My old boss used to tell me when i could take holidays, .... now I am the holiday god, heh heh.

Anyone wanna fuck my old boss?
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SNOW · 05-03-2002, 01:15 AM

I have worldpoker.com that I would like to do something with Or sell it..

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 01:20 AM

Ya? I got bubble-gum-babes.com for sale if anyone's interested. I bought it because I read in a story in "Penthouse forum" once, a guy describing this babe he was about to bang as having "bubble-gum nipples."

ROFL!!

Shoot me an offer!
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roseyrid · 05-03-2002, 02:29 AM

My first sale was http://www.TawneeStone.com ...she converted around 1 in 235 for me. The recurring rates are also good and they also got killer content to advertise with, tanker and lightspeed are always available for help.....

Sinmaster, I agree with you 100% that http://www.LocalGspot.com rocks! I have been promoting them for around 4 1/2 months... I am converting at 1 in 200 and a couple weeks even better than that. I have never seen recurrs like this. I had 32 signups my first month, and 23 are still members from 4 months ago! It seems like no one cancels. I actually bought a membership for myself to see why. I found that the reason LocalGspot retains customers so well is the fact that they have real personal ads, and the people's ads are hand checked before they are placed. There are new posts daily, and people love this shit....it shows how far people will go to get laid, not to mention the content also rocks with tons of new shit constantly updated...but I say fuck yeah! It makes me money! check it out...50% signup and 50% recurrs and 10% webmaster referral... the webmaster is friendly as hell, and is always there for help. It got my approval..

no referral links...im speaking the truth here...i dont do that too often

-rosey

ZapMan · 05-03-2002, 02:56 AM

About once a month I sit down and just surf for porn. I spend a whole 8 hours looking at porn like a teenager in heat. I have found my best sponsors like this. I'll try out a sponsor for a couple days and see what I think. If I like them I keep them if not oh well I move on. Its mostly about finding the new thing.

It's like CD said, sites that update more often (ex. Bangbus) the same is with conversion ratios. The people that pay will pay for the high quality stuff that they have never seen before. And if the site continues to update with new quality content, then the site is more able to retain members.

ARS is actually a company that promotes websites. They no longer run the sites that they promote. I know of one site, cutegirls.com, that I had a membership to at one time. They updated their pictures often but at the time had no real exclusive content(this might have changed by now).

I personally prefer to promote a site that has its own thing going for it. Sites like Sweetloads and Exploited teens converted less than 1:50 for me during their first few months of being open but after about three months conversion ratios start dwindling do to the fact that everyone is promoting them and most regular paying surfers have already checked them out.

The average person in this country is living paycheck to paychek and won't pay $30 or $40 a month to stay with a site. So in order for a Paysite to ever really retain members that paysite has to be not only always fresh, but also be able to make a person jerk off consistantly.

Thats all I will say for now. I spent to much time thinking already!

vidsweb · 05-03-2002, 03:53 AM

ZapMan, I agree.

Its all about having good quality exclusive content. I've seen the members areas of lots of paysites, and most of them have content that I've seen 3-4 times before on TGP galleries for free. It doesn't surprise me anymore when I read posts by people saying that rebills are down.

I can only think of two reasons why a current paysite member would remain a member for another month or more:

1. They love the content that the paysite has and they want to see more.

2. They forgot to cancel their membership.

I think the majority of paysites today rely on the fact that a good number of current members will just forget to cancel their membership. This is an extremely poor way of running a business. Personally, I would rather accumulate members that can't resist how good your content is, and are dying to see the content that is coming up in your next updates.

Running a successful paysite is exactly like running a successful magazine. Successful magazines all have one thing in common: their subscribers really like the content. Then, when the day comes to renew the magazine subscription, they will because they desire more.

Getting your current members to desire more of what you've got is the key to a successful paysite, and filling you're members area with high quality exclusive content is the best way to do that.

People pay for quality, they don't pay for shit. Thats why companies like Starbucks are successful.

vegasdude · 05-03-2002, 04:21 AM

Hey cdboy!

If you look for teensites you need to visit TP (www.teenagepink.com)..... design look great..... you look in the members section and the stuff is exclusive quality pics and movies + some of the standard

to TP cuz this is the way to go!

Vegas

vegasdude · 05-03-2002, 04:26 AM

snow snow snow!

Quote:

I have worldpoker.com that I would like to do something with Or sell it..

you need to do a gambling site on that so you can pay your bandwith bill which my 6th sence says will explode very soon

Vegas

sinmaster · 05-03-2002, 06:49 AM

Cdsmith, If you icq or e-mail the webmaster he has some really cool free goodies he will hook you up with. This guy is thinking all the time, coming up with new stuff everytime you turn around.
You WILL NOT go ignored with his program. His webmaster support is the best I have come across.
One really cool thing he will do, I will try to explain as best as possible:
Most sites you send your traffic to the ONE main page, localgspot will build a front page just for you ONLY, It has a blur page and an exit pop. you put a folder on your server named (example) pop and in that folder you have the pop-up pages--pop1.html,pop2.html etc... These are the pages that pop or blur on your mainpage of localgspot. Not only will you get ALL exit sales but if the pop sponsor is not working you just rename a couple of pages in the pop folder and you have new exit sponsors. I have done very well with this also, just one more way to get the most from your traffic.
gspotmoney rocks

Ludedude · 05-03-2002, 07:02 AM

CDSmith, there's a link you should check out in my sig. We don't have the same old shit, we don't have too many people promoting us yet and we use local girls with little to NO exposure on the net.

If you have any q's, shoot me an ICQ 53618488 and I'll be happy to answer them.

Gramma · 05-03-2002, 07:13 AM

I have some sites that retain very well. Gramma Cash My mature site has members that are STILL members since 1998 - that makes a sale worth $400+ that's not the rule - but I do keep members for 2 + months at a 45% rate. Same with my wifeland.com site. They all do pretty good. They aren't slick and phped and all that jizz - but they're not complicated for a surfer to navigate - and they hold their interest.

(Payment made by jettis

And free content , and more that isn't just given out to everyone, if you ask me nicely.)

Content in the members area is key - as well as a personal touch, and an assurance of regular updates with NEW and targetted material. Also, a reasonable price in relation to the material offered.

What do you think is going to happen to sponsors that are paying $40 a signup .. charging $39.99 a membership - that can't keep a member for more than 1 month? (If that long) They have feed fees, processing fees, bandwidth fees, advertising fees, etc to consider. Upsells are NOT all that in a members area. Especially if they've already paid $39.99 .. they don't think they should have to pay for anything else. I'm sorry, but i don't see how these sites can last in the longrun. Something is going to happen, either cut prices to us as the sellers - or ...what? They've already gave members access to ALL their sites - as an incentive. I'm sorry , but if I join maturesite.com and they give me a free membership to trannysite.com that's not going to influence my decision to stay a member at all. It's like putting pickles on a grilled cheese sandwich. I want the sandwich, keep the damn pickles.

I have a site called 2dollarmature.. that sells memberships for $2.00 a month. I update it bi monthly with a new gallery - they get some feeds and movies - and they STILL bitch about stuff

At least with them, I can say .. did you get your

worth?
and be pretty accurate

Anyway, that's my experience from being a paysite owner for 5 years.

SNOW · 05-03-2002, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by vegasdude
snow snow snow!

you need to do a gambling site on that so you can pay your bandwith bill which my 6th sence says will explode very soon

Vegas

Well get a hold of me..

buster · 05-03-2002, 10:35 AM

Hey whats up, I'm localg (buster) owner of Localgspot. Thanks to everyone for the comments. I do have free content for webmasters to use, and it's there for the taking, just shoot me a message, and I'll be happy to share with you. If you are looking for a site that converts you will be very satisfied with my program, and you'll see that my retention rates are smokin. I'll be completly honest with you. Im not a big company, I'm one guy with a site that's growing like crazy. I spend 15 to 18 hours a day running Localgspot, and I realize that my
success depends on webmasters promoting. I work close with webmasters, and treat all of them with the same respect. I even allow webmasters to control exit traffic on dedicated tours meaning you can send trafffic in and choose where to send your traffic that leaves. I had a revshare member who forget to put their revshare id in a mailer they sent out recently. I was able to go in and install his revshare id in every button on his tour so he did not lose any more sales. I will go the extra mile for
you. I use ibill for 3rd party transactions, so you know I'm not shaving or tampering with your stats. I'm in the proccess of having localgspot put into jettis and set it up with a kick ass stats center. The site is growing amazingly, and everything is coming together very nicely . I realize that to have a successful website that retains customers, it is neccessary to maintain steady growth. If you want to grow with us, I will be happy to help you make money.
If you would like to just try the service hit me up ill give you a dedicated page to send traffic to ill give you your revshare id on the penis pill banner witch makes a shit load of sales on my site and ill give you the exit traffic off you page if you want it if not you will not have any pop ups.
peace out
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ICQ. 133566063

Pornwolf · 05-03-2002, 11:31 AM

He may not be big but you gotta give this dude points for enthusiasm.

Good luck to you man!

FiReC · 05-03-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDSmith
Fire --- I'll check out the programs you mentioned, but one of the other big things I value in a sponsor is the ability to refer other webmasters to them and get credit for the referrals. In times of poor sales, some good solid income can be made from your referred webmasters, so I look for that in new sponsors for sure. But I agree about the "little known" sponsors. But one of the biggest reservations webmasters have is this...... "will the sponsor pay?" (and pay fairly, and on TIME!!)???? That's why the widely-known popular large sponsors are so popular.... because they PAY. I've tried some little known sponsors and have been burned in the past for a lot of cash, so I'm hesitant to send hard-earned traffic to an unknown unless they come very highly recommended.

I've recieved my checks on time from day one from kyleechristopher.com but I'm not sure about the webmaster refferal program they have set up. Drunkspringbreakgirls.com uses ccbill, so of coarse you WILL get your checks and can reffer other webmasters. I didn't include my refferal because I think most webmasters are too greedy and opt to go to the site and sign up without it anyway. One more thing about the content inside the spring break site, even though it is primarily a spring break movie site the owner had been getting a lot of requests for hardcore blowjob movies. Of coarse he listened and posted them less than a week later. When the members are happy the affiliates are even happier. Also if you have any requests as far as the format or quantity of the webmaster content, tour design, or anything else you could want in an affiliate program email me at firec AT arczip.com

Peace

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude
CDSmith, there's a link you should check out in my sig.

I had a look-see, nice site and nice program you have going. I bookmarked it so when I'm ready I can get it going. I read your TOS, and when I came across this bit of language.....

We do not allow links from password trading/hacking/warez sites or any site that promotes or depicts bestiality, rape, torture, underage models or content, or any other illegal or unethical content. 

... this is pretty standard wording in most TOS's of adult reseller programs as far as I know, and it got me to wondering. If I join, and I make a gallery out of some of your free content, and I submit it to the hun, am I violating this part of the TOS? I mean, the hun promotes bestiality. It may not be served directly from his site, but it is promoted from there, and I've also seen a lot of "dark fetish/bondage/pain/torture" galleries on a lot of the big tgp's over the years, so would webmasters need to watch where they submit for fear of termination? Anyone with an opinion on this please chime in anytime. Thanks.
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CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FiReC
I didn't include my refferal because I think most webmasters are too greedy and opt to go to the site and sign up without it anyway.

Yeah, I know that this happens a lot, and it's really too bad, because the webmaster that signs up directly doesn't get paid any extra for doing so than the guy who signs up under another webmaster. I think it may be more of a selfish thing than one of greed, but maybe some webmasters don't want anyone to be able to see their stats performance.

Maybe the better way to go with setting up referral stats is to make them anonymous to the referring webmaster. With some of my sponsors I can see everyone's name that has signed up under me, but with others all I see is an account number. Unless I know specifically that someone signed up at a certain moment, I have no way of knowing that that account is theirs. Maybe that's the best way to go.

Thoughts?
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TopCashQ · 05-03-2002, 02:57 PM

Hey CDSmith - Jumping back to the main topic of this thread, why not just sell your traffic to sponsors that pay on a per click or per signup basis? Then you don't have to concern yourself with whether or not your sponsor's sites retain members.

Just food for thought.

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 03:52 PM

Topcash..... is that you Kevin? Anyway, I do have a few per-click sponsors too, but since the old amateur pie program went away I've been making my primary site incomes from partnerships and per-sale programs mostly. But yeah, topcash's amateur pie was my best sponsor by far for a long long time.

Right before ampie went away, I got an email from them saying my traffic was suddenly no longer productive and that my ratio was worse than 1:2000 so they canned me, and there was a little added note saying that I am not eligible to sign up again either. Nice, after I sent 500 to 1000 hits a day to them on a daily basis for a hell of a long time with no problems, that's how it finally ended. I was sorry to see them go, it was very very good while it lasted, and I know a lot of webmasters that made a good chunk promoting them too.

I also know that ampie is back with a new 4 cent/blind link program, but in light of that last email I've been hesitant to try and sign up. My traffic hasn't changed much in quality at all, if anything the quality is better than it was a year ago, so I'm not sure what the problem was there. As I said, it was right before they closed the site down, so maybe they weren't updating and looking after things so surfers weren't signing up as much (and I wouldn't blame them either). But that email made it souhd as if the fault was mine somehow, and I must admit it did leave a sour taste.

So tell me....... should I sign up for topcash's amateur pie again? And if so, who want's to refer me in? It's taken me months to replace all those old links with new sponsors, but I'll promote them again if what you say is favorable.
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TopCashQ · 05-03-2002, 03:59 PM

Nope I'm not Kevin, just work for him. How long ago did that email exchange take place? We've dropped the conversion ratio requirements from the program, so that's not going to be an issue. There are other terms, of course, but they're all pretty standard, pretty much the same as you'd see on any clickthru program.

Any other questions you have, send me an email at [email protected] or hit me up on icq # 150210459

CDSmith · 05-03-2002, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TopCashQ
How long ago did that email exchange take place?

I'm not sure of the exact date that I got that email, and it wasn't really an "exchange", it was more of a standard email sent to certain webmasters when their ratios fell too low. I got one the year before for iteens blind click program too.

As I said, it arrived right before the program was cancelled. I think a few weeks or a month went by after I got the email, then they announced that the program was "no more". So, whenever that was that ampie went offline, that's about the time this happened.

I'll fire up the icq and we'll talk more. Thanks. Now, anyone have an ampie referral code they'd like to share? Or should I juat play it greedy and sign up with them directly? heh heh.
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Dirty F · 05-03-2002, 04:13 PM

I promoted www.teenflood.com for a long time.
When i started it did about 1:100 and the rebilling was great, fucking great.
I had to stop promoting them cause for some reason their tracking fucked up, 2 times....not on purpose tho (i hope)
Since a month they changed the layout...before it was more simple, very amateuristic but oh boy did that site sell.

dipshit moron retard · 05-03-2002, 04:25 PM

does anyone notice a difference in retention rates between $40/month sites and $20/month sites?

05-02-2002, 10:47 PM	#1
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Sponsors, and their retention ability Oh no, not another thread about sponsors, shit man!! No, I just have a few questions and observances, and I am hoping that some of the more experienced webmasters will offer input. No big deal. I'm just wondering..... there are a lot of big companies that have 50 or more sites to promote, but from the standpoint of the surfer, just how much "bang for the buck" can one really expect at some of these sites? Like ARS for example... They have a bazillion sites for us to promote and lots of suggested text to use to say how great all their sites are, but just how great are they? If any of you have wanked on in to a rendom pay site and had a look-see, let me know what you thought. Was it worth the membership fee? If so, why? I have a webmaster's pass to bangbus.com, and the thing I see in there that would "hook" the member to recur is the regular updates of new stuff. The retention rate is pretty good, but I see other sponsors of mine that really just plain suck at retaining members beyond the first month. Some sponsors would like to blame me for that, saying my traffic sucks or whatever, but is it me and my sites or is it the sponsor's sites themselves? I mean, if the sponsor's site isn't "all that and a bag of chips", then isn't that the reason the new member won't rebill? Plus, if you have 50 sites to update, is the surfer to assume that all 50 sites are going to be updated enough to warrant another $39.95 for another month? Some sponsors seem to be able to rebill certain members for 6 to 12 months or more, yet others seem to have problems retaining a member beyond even 1 month! What about www.thewetlands.com ? I know a few of you guys are long-timers that are or have promoted them. Can anyone offer input on them as to their effectiveness in 2002? If so, provide me your referral code and I'll sign up under you. Comments, please..... lots of informed comments. Thanks. <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#080000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font>

05-02-2002, 11:13 PM	#2
sinmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 376	CD, I to am in a similiar situation, I have a couple of sponsors that can't retain a member past the trial and others that have had members stay for many months. So far the best retaining site I have used is localgspot (see sig) They have a unique personal ads database, the users can search for others that are into specific "kinky" things and what not. All the ads (thousands) are all hand filtered to make sure they are real and not bullshit. Not to mention a shit load of content for the surfer. I have found the best way to promote and convert this traffic is to use advertising like everyone uses for ifriends etc... The front end may not be spit shined and polished to perfection but it works. As for the wetlands.com I have never tried them out, may have to do that though. Later and good luck __________________

05-03-2002, 12:13 AM	#4
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Sin.... looks interesting. Do they offer anything in the way of free content to promote them? Most of my current sponsors seem to spend a good chunk of change on free content for webmasters to use to promote their sites with. Amateurepages has about what.... 500 pics available at all times for us? And topbucks, forgetaboutit.... they have daily updated galleries as well as a ton of free pics for promotion. Same with ARS. Adding banners and FPA's is okay to get started, but I have found that with the right content and the right sponsor, a properly done gallery submitted to 2 or 3 dozen big TGP's on a daily basis can net you a shitload of money. In order to do that you need a lot of free content. Do they have if? Their banners and FPA's look pretty good though. Anyone promoting thewetlands? I would really like to know how they are doing these days, they've been around for a long long time now. Saturation? Over-promoted? Still kicking ass? If still kicking ass, then by all means refer me! <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FF0000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font>

05-03-2002, 12:24 AM	#5
Bake Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Outback of bumfuck Aussie Posts: 5,282	Hey CD your still alive , ICQ me I have a few that might interest you plus some other stuff __________________ Buy great domains from drunken burned out old webmaster CHEAP bullseyeporn.com art-met.com and more. Learn how to make a easy extra $500 per week

05-03-2002, 01:02 AM	#9
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Fire --- I'll check out the programs you mentioned, but one of the other big things I value in a sponsor is the ability to refer other webmasters to them and get credit for the referrals. In times of poor sales, some good solid income can be made from your referred webmasters, so I look for that in new sponsors for sure. But I agree about the "little known" sponsors. But one of the biggest reservations webmasters have is this...... "will the sponsor pay?" (and pay fairly, and on TIME!!)???? That's why the widely-known popular large sponsors are so popular.... because they PAY. I've tried some little known sponsors and have been burned in the past for a lot of cash, so I'm hesitant to send hard-earned traffic to an unknown unless they come very highly recommended. Mick Bake!! --- Hey, I'll ICQ you tomorrow, I have a half-day long-distance conference call this morning, and I'm launching a new site in the afternoon, so today is a-no good. But I will say this.... there is a guy out there that is using a LOT of our email addresses in order to spam. I received an email from a "Mick BaKe" a few days ago, from one of your email addy's, but I know that it was from this spamming guy and not you. I meant to tell you Mick, the guy is running some software that seems to allow him to use anyone's email account for his own spamming shit. I saved the "email properties" if you feel like going after him, just say the word. He's pissing off a lot of webmasters lately. The fucker even used one of MY OWN email addresses to send his spam shit to me!! Snow-meister --- shoot me a link. I'm about ready to promote some new sponsors and I'd like to take a look at what you have. Talk to you soon man. <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FF0000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font> Last edited by CDSmith; 05-03-2002 at 01:08 AM..

05-02-2002, 11:46 PM	#3
stangster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,126	Oh..Canada.. BOO.. Hisss..

05-03-2002, 12:27 AM	#6
FiReC Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Land o Nubiles Posts: 2,350	The first sale I ever made was from a sponser that I had never seen anywhere on the net. I belive the site was http://www.kyleechristopher.com . It's probably so old that I missed the time when everyone was promoting it but it has done well for me on rather minimal traffic. The point is that underpromoted sponsers, the ones you never see promoted any where else and have exclusive content, are your best bets for sure fire sales. Drunkspringbreakgirls.com has killer video content that sells and retains. The guys running the site are getting new footage all the time, and have so much footage to cut up and post that the current members aren't going anywhere. Hardly anyone is promoting it as of now so i suggest being one of the first to get the webmaster content on some galleries.

05-03-2002, 12:48 AM	#7
stangster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,126

05-03-2002, 12:52 AM	#8
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Cd I have plenty of free content that not uploaded yet..But my mafiagalleries are almost completed..Probably tommorow or sat..

05-03-2002, 01:07 AM	#10
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Good to see you back,,Where have you been>?

05-03-2002, 01:13 AM	#11
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I've been to London to visit the queen Actually, I launched a new casino and I've been working on redesigning my massive model's site "CD's Models on the Web", I have about 120 model's galleries to re-do yet, but it's coming along. Plus I took some time off too, just because. ...."just because" I'm a webmaster and I can that is. Some would call me a lazy mofo, but that's okay, I don't mind. After working for others for so many fucking years I am really enjoying being my own boss. My old boss used to tell me when i could take holidays, .... now I am the holiday god, heh heh. Anyone wanna fuck my old boss? <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FF0000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font>

05-03-2002, 01:15 AM	#12
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	I have worldpoker.com that I would like to do something with Or sell it..

05-03-2002, 01:20 AM	#13
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Ya? I got bubble-gum-babes.com for sale if anyone's interested. I bought it because I read in a story in "Penthouse forum" once, a guy describing this babe he was about to bang as having "bubble-gum nipples." ROFL!! Shoot me an offer! <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FF0000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font>

05-03-2002, 02:29 AM	#14
roseyrid Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LA Posts: 1,058	My first sale was http://www.TawneeStone.com ...she converted around 1 in 235 for me. The recurring rates are also good and they also got killer content to advertise with, tanker and lightspeed are always available for help..... Sinmaster, I agree with you 100% that http://www.LocalGspot.com rocks! I have been promoting them for around 4 1/2 months... I am converting at 1 in 200 and a couple weeks even better than that. I have never seen recurrs like this. I had 32 signups my first month, and 23 are still members from 4 months ago! It seems like no one cancels. I actually bought a membership for myself to see why. I found that the reason LocalGspot retains customers so well is the fact that they have real personal ads, and the people's ads are hand checked before they are placed. There are new posts daily, and people love this shit....it shows how far people will go to get laid, not to mention the content also rocks with tons of new shit constantly updated...but I say fuck yeah! It makes me money! check it out...50% signup and 50% recurrs and 10% webmaster referral... the webmaster is friendly as hell, and is always there for help. It got my approval.. no referral links...im speaking the truth here...i dont do that too often -rosey

05-03-2002, 02:56 AM	#15
ZapMan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 467	About once a month I sit down and just surf for porn. I spend a whole 8 hours looking at porn like a teenager in heat. I have found my best sponsors like this. I'll try out a sponsor for a couple days and see what I think. If I like them I keep them if not oh well I move on. Its mostly about finding the new thing. It's like CD said, sites that update more often (ex. Bangbus) the same is with conversion ratios. The people that pay will pay for the high quality stuff that they have never seen before. And if the site continues to update with new quality content, then the site is more able to retain members. ARS is actually a company that promotes websites. They no longer run the sites that they promote. I know of one site, cutegirls.com, that I had a membership to at one time. They updated their pictures often but at the time had no real exclusive content(this might have changed by now). I personally prefer to promote a site that has its own thing going for it. Sites like Sweetloads and Exploited teens converted less than 1:50 for me during their first few months of being open but after about three months conversion ratios start dwindling do to the fact that everyone is promoting them and most regular paying surfers have already checked them out. The average person in this country is living paycheck to paychek and won't pay $30 or $40 a month to stay with a site. So in order for a Paysite to ever really retain members that paysite has to be not only always fresh, but also be able to make a person jerk off consistantly. Thats all I will say for now. I spent to much time thinking already! __________________ submit your sites to http://www.zap-man.com New Clean Galleries http://www.freesexpicsforyou.com

05-03-2002, 03:53 AM	#16
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	ZapMan, I agree. Its all about having good quality exclusive content. I've seen the members areas of lots of paysites, and most of them have content that I've seen 3-4 times before on TGP galleries for free. It doesn't surprise me anymore when I read posts by people saying that rebills are down. I can only think of two reasons why a current paysite member would remain a member for another month or more: 1. They love the content that the paysite has and they want to see more. 2. They forgot to cancel their membership. I think the majority of paysites today rely on the fact that a good number of current members will just forget to cancel their membership. This is an extremely poor way of running a business. Personally, I would rather accumulate members that can't resist how good your content is, and are dying to see the content that is coming up in your next updates. Running a successful paysite is exactly like running a successful magazine. Successful magazines all have one thing in common: their subscribers really like the content. Then, when the day comes to renew the magazine subscription, they will because they desire more. Getting your current members to desire more of what you've got is the key to a successful paysite, and filling you're members area with high quality exclusive content is the best way to do that. People pay for quality, they don't pay for shit. Thats why companies like Starbucks are successful. __________________ Just give'r

05-03-2002, 04:21 AM	#17
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	Hey cdboy! If you look for teensites you need to visit TP (www.teenagepink.com)..... design look great..... you look in the members section and the stuff is exclusive quality pics and movies + some of the standard to TP cuz this is the way to go! Vegas __________________ Did you fucking talk to me??! Who the fuck told you to talk to me??!"

05-03-2002, 06:49 AM	#19
sinmaster Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oregon Posts: 376	Cdsmith, If you icq or e-mail the webmaster he has some really cool free goodies he will hook you up with. This guy is thinking all the time, coming up with new stuff everytime you turn around. You WILL NOT go ignored with his program. His webmaster support is the best I have come across. One really cool thing he will do, I will try to explain as best as possible: Most sites you send your traffic to the ONE main page, localgspot will build a front page just for you ONLY, It has a blur page and an exit pop. you put a folder on your server named (example) pop and in that folder you have the pop-up pages--pop1.html,pop2.html etc... These are the pages that pop or blur on your mainpage of localgspot. Not only will you get ALL exit sales but if the pop sponsor is not working you just rename a couple of pages in the pop folder and you have new exit sponsors. I have done very well with this also, just one more way to get the most from your traffic. gspotmoney rocks __________________

05-03-2002, 07:02 AM	#20
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	CDSmith, there's a link you should check out in my sig. We don't have the same old shit, we don't have too many people promoting us yet and we use local girls with little to NO exposure on the net. If you have any q's, shoot me an ICQ 53618488 and I'll be happy to answer them. __________________

05-03-2002, 07:13 AM	#21
Gramma Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 402	I have some sites that retain very well. Gramma Cash My mature site has members that are STILL members since 1998 - that makes a sale worth $400+ that's not the rule - but I do keep members for 2 + months at a 45% rate. Same with my wifeland.com site. They all do pretty good. They aren't slick and phped and all that jizz - but they're not complicated for a surfer to navigate - and they hold their interest. (Payment made by jettis And free content , and more that isn't just given out to everyone, if you ask me nicely.) Content in the members area is key - as well as a personal touch, and an assurance of regular updates with NEW and targetted material. Also, a reasonable price in relation to the material offered. What do you think is going to happen to sponsors that are paying $40 a signup .. charging $39.99 a membership - that can't keep a member for more than 1 month? (If that long) They have feed fees, processing fees, bandwidth fees, advertising fees, etc to consider. Upsells are NOT all that in a members area. Especially if they've already paid $39.99 .. they don't think they should have to pay for anything else. I'm sorry, but i don't see how these sites can last in the longrun. Something is going to happen, either cut prices to us as the sellers - or ...what? They've already gave members access to ALL their sites - as an incentive. I'm sorry , but if I join maturesite.com and they give me a free membership to trannysite.com that's not going to influence my decision to stay a member at all. It's like putting pickles on a grilled cheese sandwich. I want the sandwich, keep the damn pickles. I have a site called 2dollarmature.. that sells memberships for $2.00 a month. I update it bi monthly with a new gallery - they get some feeds and movies - and they STILL bitch about stuff At least with them, I can say .. did you get your worth? and be pretty accurate Anyway, that's my experience from being a paysite owner for 5 years. __________________ gramma at ix.netcom.com

05-03-2002, 10:35 AM	#23
buster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 459	Hey whats up, I'm localg (buster) owner of Localgspot. Thanks to everyone for the comments. I do have free content for webmasters to use, and it's there for the taking, just shoot me a message, and I'll be happy to share with you. If you are looking for a site that converts you will be very satisfied with my program, and you'll see that my retention rates are smokin. I'll be completly honest with you. Im not a big company, I'm one guy with a site that's growing like crazy. I spend 15 to 18 hours a day running Localgspot, and I realize that my success depends on webmasters promoting. I work close with webmasters, and treat all of them with the same respect. I even allow webmasters to control exit traffic on dedicated tours meaning you can send trafffic in and choose where to send your traffic that leaves. I had a revshare member who forget to put their revshare id in a mailer they sent out recently. I was able to go in and install his revshare id in every button on his tour so he did not lose any more sales. I will go the extra mile for you. I use ibill for 3rd party transactions, so you know I'm not shaving or tampering with your stats. I'm in the proccess of having localgspot put into jettis and set it up with a kick ass stats center. The site is growing amazingly, and everything is coming together very nicely . I realize that to have a successful website that retains customers, it is neccessary to maintain steady growth. If you want to grow with us, I will be happy to help you make money. If you would like to just try the service hit me up ill give you a dedicated page to send traffic to ill give you your revshare id on the penis pill banner witch makes a shit load of sales on my site and ill give you the exit traffic off you page if you want it if not you will not have any pop ups. peace out localg. You can reach me on ICQ. 133566063

05-03-2002, 11:31 AM	#24
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	He may not be big but you gotta give this dude points for enthusiasm. Good luck to you man!

05-03-2002, 02:57 PM	#28
TopCashQ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 141	Hey CDSmith - Jumping back to the main topic of this thread, why not just sell your traffic to sponsors that pay on a per click or per signup basis? Then you don't have to concern yourself with whether or not your sponsor's sites retain members. Just food for thought. __________________ <a href="http://www.topcash.com/">TopCash</a> - paying 6 cents per click - no conversion ratio requirements! <a href="http://www.topbucks.com/">TopBucks</a> $35 - $40 per signup or 80% partnership <a href="http://www.oneverify.com/webmasters/_webmastersinfo.htm">OneVerify.com</a> new AVS paying $20 per TRULY free signup

05-03-2002, 03:52 PM	#29
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Topcash..... is that you Kevin? Anyway, I do have a few per-click sponsors too, but since the old amateur pie program went away I've been making my primary site incomes from partnerships and per-sale programs mostly. But yeah, topcash's amateur pie was my best sponsor by far for a long long time. Right before ampie went away, I got an email from them saying my traffic was suddenly no longer productive and that my ratio was worse than 1:2000 so they canned me, and there was a little added note saying that I am not eligible to sign up again either. Nice, after I sent 500 to 1000 hits a day to them on a daily basis for a hell of a long time with no problems, that's how it finally ended. I was sorry to see them go, it was very very good while it lasted, and I know a lot of webmasters that made a good chunk promoting them too. I also know that ampie is back with a new 4 cent/blind link program, but in light of that last email I've been hesitant to try and sign up. My traffic hasn't changed much in quality at all, if anything the quality is better than it was a year ago, so I'm not sure what the problem was there. As I said, it was right before they closed the site down, so maybe they weren't updating and looking after things so surfers weren't signing up as much (and I wouldn't blame them either). But that email made it souhd as if the fault was mine somehow, and I must admit it did leave a sour taste. So tell me....... should I sign up for topcash's amateur pie again? And if so, who want's to refer me in? It's taken me months to replace all those old links with new sponsors, but I'll promote them again if what you say is favorable. <font face="Verdana"><b>___________</b> CD * <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FF0000">CD's Models on the Web</font></a> Centerfolds ~ Amateurs ~ Teens, <a href="http://www.cdsmodels.com/webmasters.html" TARGET="_blank">new trades</a> welcome. * <a href="http://clickthrutraffic.com/scripts/signup.php?referer=cdsmith" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFDDFF"> Click-thrutraffic.com</font></a> 5 cents up to 20 cents per click! * <a href="http://www.erasercash.com/wm.html?ID=1380291" TARGET="_blank"><font face="Verdana" color="#FFCCCC">ERASERCASH!</font></a> Earn $45 per sale + webmaster referrals <i>4 LEVELS DEEP</i></font>

05-03-2002, 03:59 PM	#30
TopCashQ Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 141	Nope I'm not Kevin, just work for him. How long ago did that email exchange take place? We've dropped the conversion ratio requirements from the program, so that's not going to be an issue. There are other terms, of course, but they're all pretty standard, pretty much the same as you'd see on any clickthru program. Any other questions you have, send me an email at [email protected] or hit me up on icq # 150210459 __________________ <a href="http://www.topcash.com/">TopCash</a> - paying 6 cents per click - no conversion ratio requirements! <a href="http://www.topbucks.com/">TopBucks</a> $35 - $40 per signup or 80% partnership <a href="http://www.oneverify.com/webmasters/_webmastersinfo.htm">OneVerify.com</a> new AVS paying $20 per TRULY free signup

05-03-2002, 04:13 PM	#32
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I promoted www.teenflood.com for a long time. When i started it did about 1:100 and the rebilling was great, fucking great. I had to stop promoting them cause for some reason their tracking fucked up, 2 times....not on purpose tho (i hope) Since a month they changed the layout...before it was more simple, very amateuristic but oh boy did that site sell.

05-03-2002, 04:25 PM	#33
dipshit moron retard Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 667	does anyone notice a difference in retention rates between $40/month sites and $20/month sites?