I think the immigration policy needs to be opened up further. The job market that used to be covered by 15 - 18 year olds has totally disappeared. I can't drive past a gas station or fast food place without seeing a sign saying "Now Hiring". Even McDonald's uses their marquee to display wage rates trying to get people to work ($9.50/hour - I would've loved to have made that when I was in high school!). Kids are so spoiled now, nobody wants those jobs. I'm surprised business owners aren't pushing for an unskilled labor immigration category.

prices on everything else has probably gone up since then too :2 cents:

Civil war? Pfiffle!

This is no different than the previous waves of immigration. The Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, and many other groups were all demonized at one time or another, but they became American and America became them. So what if Hispanic culture becomes more prevalent in the next 50 years? By that time we won't even notice the difference and neither will the Hispanics.

Peaches your logic is really upside down.

The government has TAKEN money that they would normally have to refund on over $300 Billion.

This country was built by the sweat of immigrants so quit sounding like an elitist with the attiude of get rid of them all like bugs.

They are vital to the ecomony and you clearly don't get it.

And what are you saying about LYING? That only illegals lie? Studies have shown EVERYONE lies.

The Government LIES!

The Military LIES!

Presidents LIE!

Politicians LIE!

CEO's, and Businessmen lie, steal and cheat!

Husbands LIE!

Wives LIE!

Children LIE!

WTF? Your rebuttal posts are so far out of sync with reality its scary.

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there's an easy solution for this problem. they just need to stop breaking the law and then they won't be GIVING money to the government

Now, now, let's not let LOGIC and LAWS enter into this convo.

It just amazes me that people stand up for criminals.

Yes I read the thread thoroughly and I stated my opinion. It is our country and not theirs. If these freeloaders want to be here then they need to do it the correct way and not the way they think it is OK.

I will never give up my coutry to these people.

If their only crime is that they jumped over a fence or swam across a river and came here to work our lowest hardest dirtiest jobs, YES I WILL stand up for them and defend them completely.

Sorry, Peachie Pie, but if that's the kind of crime you want to spend and waste our tax money and resources on then I have to send you a warm and hearty triple GFY.

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I'm going to assume you're someone else's nik or really young. You are uninformed.

Mexico happens to be our 2nd biggest trade partner.

Last year the US did $290 Billion of business with Mexico.

The GPP (Gross Purchasing Power) of Hispanics in the US is over $700 Billion annually.

And about never giving up your country. The United States is the 4th Largest Hispanic country in the world after Mexico, Colombia, and Spain.

So FYI, it's already given up. :1orglaugh

FYI, not one item above has anything at all to do with the criminals that are being discussed. Why can't you stay on topic? Could it be because you have no arguement?

hey krl quick question for ya- how many illegal aliens have you employed, total?

So all you people wringing your little hands and whining "but it's ILLEGAL!" never speed on the highway? Never smoke pot? Most Americans probably break at least one law every day.

umm, we pay taxes

Most Americans owe up to their responsibilities when caught breaking the law and pay their speeding tickets etc.

These people are not willing to face up to the responsibilities of their own actions.

:1orglaugh So being a taxpayer means you get to commit illegal acts?

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If we get caught, we pay the fine. We don't go around protesting speeding fines and anti-drug laws.

Look, these people are criminals, pure and simple. They know it's illegal, they come here, and now they demand rights? So it's alright for anyone to come to america and be an American citizen? I don't think so, that's why there are immigration laws in place, including the green card. Normal people, who are not criminals would go through that process.

By your logic, it's OK for ANYONE to jump on a plane, or a boat, come to america and have rights. Is that what you are fighting for? I just don't see the logic. Why don't you abolish all immigration laws then? Might as well just make anyone a citizen and get rid of minimum wages.

Bullshit. When caught they get deported. How is that not "facing up to your own actions" just as much as a speeder paying his fine?

I'm not sure you could explain anything to me. :clown

We don't protest anti-drug laws? You should go to Hempfest sometime. :stoned

I'm not for illegal immigration, I am sympathetic to illegal immigrants. I understand why it is happening and that the answer is a solid guestworker program.

you can't possibly be this stupid

they broke the law
they are protesting something that would lead to them being caught and deported more easily and effectively

What they are protesting is being forced to live up to their responsibilities.

"They" are not the only people protesting. I'm sure in your xenophobe brain whenever you see a latino you see a borderjumper but that simply isn't true. Some are righteous Americans that pay their speeding tickets when caught.

This is funny as hell watching all the politicians retreat with their bullshit immigration plan now after seeing millions of Hispanics marching in the streets nationwide.

Gotta love the POWER OF THE PEOPLE! Even if they are illegal.

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First off this isn't a 'latino' issue. It's about a very small percentage of the mexican population and has nothing whatsoever to do with latinos from any other countries, so don't try to hide behind other people with brown skin and call anyone who disagrees with you a xenophobe. No one is going to buy it and your attempt is pathetic. It's inflammatory and can only serve as a distraction from the issue being discussed - which just shows that you don't have anything rational to support you.

I'm well aware that the illegals weren't the only ones protesting. For some reason there are alot of people who sympathize with these criminals and they are disgrace to law abiding citizens of all nationalities. What you saw in the streets a couple days ago were thousands of people who support criminals.

I'm also not so naive as to think there weren't law abiding immigrants and others of mexican descent who disagreed with the protestors. Or do you think that there is 100% unity in this issue from that segment of the population just because they share a common ancestry?

Your posts give me a fucking ulcer dude.

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Sorry but all you are offering is "it's illegal!" and "they're criminals!". I do not disagree with this. This is a fact. Your solution to build bigger walls with more guns and to throw all the illegals out won't work. You haven't looked at the big picture of why this is happening and why it will continue to happen. You are a xenophobe that wishes to build Fortress America. Not gonna work, not gonna happen.

Bill O'Reilly was on Fox tonight saying we need to send the military to the borders.

What the fuck does he think, they'll start shooting Mexicans next.

We have 20,000 miles of borders. You could sneak in to this country from offshore in a power boat if you wanted to.

Haitians come in by boat offshore, jump out and just swim onshore to the beaches in Florida every week. Coast Guard catches a few, but most of them get in no problem.

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Or why should they pay overtime, stick to 8 hour-days, or pay minimum wage to anyone for that same reason.

Or worry about saftey codes, hell keeping employees safe cost money.

I have neighbhors that have kids in the local high schools.

I was told that this morning an announce was made that anyone accused of ditching during the walk out, would face expulsion with no appeal.

Some schools are being serious. You get expelled from the L.A.U.S.D and you are fucked.

Again with the xenophobe comment. Perhaps you don't understand the word?

"xenophobe NOUN: A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples "

No one is fearful of the mexicans. No one is contemptuous of the mexicans. The only people being discussed are criminals who happen to be (mostly) mexican. Do you see the term 'border jumper' or 'illegal' in that definition anywhere? Now that you should have an understanding of the term, please use it correctly.

Borders really aren't that hard to build effectively. I don't know why you think they are. Maybe it's wishful thinking on your part for some reason that nothing could stop the invincible mexican border jumpers but that's not the reality of the situation.

The reason that this is happening isn't anything more complex than an opportunity exists and it is being exploited. If the opportunity no longer exists, they won't keep trying. I'm sure some people would try it no matter how tall a fence or how many guards there were - but the number of those attempting it would be greatly reduced if the chances of successful entry were reduced.

A big wall is a much more practical and economical solution that trying to deal with it through other means.

I don't think very many people want to turn Mexican tourists away. Just those who would enter illegally.

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I cant believe he honestly thinks that.

The fact that you think "latino" = brown skin says a lot. :1orglaugh

I understand it perfectly. And it fits you like a glove.

do I need to explain this to you?

No evidently you don't.

You're a coward who throws around accusations of racism/xenophobia when you can't win an arguement through reason. Everyone knows the type of person you are.

The type that makes excuses for criminals.
The type that takes the easiest method possible to belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
The type that believes it's OK to hide behind their heritage when they've done something wrong.
The type that ends up causing the very racial issues that you accuse others of having.
You're a disgrace.

Yes, please do. I could use the laugh.

What exactly is it you think we're arguing? That "they're ILLEGAL!"? We're not. I'm telling you your XENOPHOBIC plan of big walls will not work.

There's a difference between an "excuse" and a reason. Have you even been to Mexico? have you seen the kind of poverty those people are trying to escape? Until you have you can not understand why your plan will not work.

Where did I say it's ok to hide behind your heritage when you've done something wrong?

How am I causing racial issues? I see this as an economic issue.

It's a generalization. They're not popular in these times but they're appropriate.
Africans tend to get referred to as having black skin, though it is obviously brown.
People such as myself are referred to as being white, though my skin does not resemble the color of bleached paper.
Latinos tend to get referred to as being 'brown skinned' even though some are more pale than I am.

Surely this isn't the first time you've encountered this?

Yes, I've encountered it and consider it an ignorant way to categorize a diverse people.