I vote we just give the illegals California (and it's debt problems and self important "celebrities") but they have to STAY there unless they want to be legals :)

Fuck it, I'm moving. Russia looks nice.

Thank you for saying this. I find it hard to believe that the illegal Mexicans are demanding to be heard. The illegals have NO right to demand shit.
This is our country, not theirs!!
If you want to be a citizen, then do it the right way or get out.

We have a huge problem in Arizona. We own a company here in phoenix and it is hard to compete with other companies that hire illegals. These companies pay the illegals less and their bids for jobs reflect this; putting a burden on companies like ours to make a legitimate living. In the end it hurts everyone. I hope to see some of these companies get the big fine, then I won't need to worry about them anymore.

I also find it unbelievable that the illegals get free medical for anything they wish; while the legal citizen can?t receive shit. I have not heard one fucking word about cutting all benefits to these illegals and that should be at the top of the list. They are bankrupting the hospitals with their freeloading asses.
My mother has to pay through the nose for her meds, but an illegal can get anything they want....something is really wrong with this!!

The Illegals also make up a big part of uninsured motorist in AZ, which is why we have a higher rate here for our uninsured motorist insurance. It is a law here that you must have insurance, but nooooo; not the illegal Mexicans, no law applies to them.

Another good example of how they abide by the law, is when they had the protest here in phoenix, they didn?t even bother to get a permit to picket or protest.

They also moved in neighborhoods surrounding our area and they are pigs to say the least. They have broken down cars in the driveways, trash, clothes, garbage in the yards and it goes on and on.

We have worked hard to get the house we have. I will be damned if we are going to sit by and let them drive the prices of homes down because they choose to live like fucking pigs.

This is a real big problem and it is going to be hard to solve. It is not fair for these illegals to get the highway to freedom at the expense of American citizens and it is not right for the illegals to not apply like any other person has had to do when seeking citizenship here.
What the fuck makes them so fucking special?

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You'll get your wishes with my taco flavored kisses

You can put the crack pipe down any time. My boyfriends Latino, the first generation on either side of his family to be born here (his father fled Castro's Cuba, his mothers family immigrated from Mexico), so I think if there were some sort of Mexican conspiracy to take over the Southwest I'd have heard something about it, even if it were just him chitchatting with the cleaning lady or the gardeners about their impending rise to power in America.

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jsut give em more beans and rice!

This thread made me laugh.

You'd best get home and get Tonda into bed. You're obviously not working on producing as many Mexican babies as you should be for the takeover ;)

After reading this entire thread (along with all the other illegal immigrant threads). I have to come back to this post.

I'm going to use this post to explain something. Now, along with the fact none of your valid points are actual solid facts. Most are just mere hearsay and opinions. It's quite clear you are jaded on this subject somehow, and hold a very biased opinion. With the post above (just one - though you have many), clearly showing this. You try to rationalize an illegal act, with an extremely grey area of so called "culture". You didn't add to the debate, You just tried to defend your side of the debate against what you perceived as a "threat".

Point is, you add nothing of real value to the discussions. You more or less cloud the debate with jaded opinions (smoke and mirrors). Providing no relevant data to be used in a serious discussion. It seems quite obvious you don't actually know much on the subject. That you have been deeply effected somehow in relation to the subject. And now hold a very biased opinion (and possibly a grudge?). Making you feel like you need to come into every illegal immigrant thread and argue.

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Aren't Americans responsible for the "Mexican problem" in the first place by applying their own ideology of "economy is the only law that applies". You guys ( meaning your big corporations) make the worst decision " in the name of the sacred economy) (by the way, you call it democraty, but it's really all about economy). Let's face it; American corporations have no ethic and they don't care as long as the share holders are happy.

If you always go for the cheapest labor, like companies moving to China to have cheeper prod cost, or hiring illegal Mexicans to save on salaries, this is what you're going to get. This way of thinking led to America fucking poor countries, but now because of the same logic, America is the one that gets to be sodomised by immoral economy logic.

If your big corporations would show some sort of example, the little cleaning companies, mowing lawn companies, etc. would do like they do now: follow the example. So, don't complain little companies are responsible for the damn Mexican problem. If every company would follow the rules and pay what a job is worth, we wouldn't have a problem. Mexicans keep coming because they are hired.

So please people: PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. If you can move to China to save a penny, why would Mexicans that are willing to work for next to nothing stay in Mexico while they can be hired by cheap companies looking to save a damn penny?

absolutely, postively dead-on, that's why he can't reply to any of the real fa cts posted in this thread

I've already called the INS on you, but they said you're no threat - no Americans want your job :winkwink:

Lolol !!!

The nievity in this thread is unreal.

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It's called La Reclamacion and I assure you it's very real. :cool-as-a

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Yes, it is. Here are some more interesting points from boortz.com:

PERHAPS THIS IS A SOLUTION TO THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM

Let's noodle this illegal immigration thing through for a minute. Why are these gate-crashers coming to America? Well, because nobody's stopping them, of course, but why do they want to be here? Hint: It's not to worship God as they chose, nor is it to have the right to free speech. It's economics. They come here because they have little hope of improving their lives where they live. History shows that free enterprise and capitalism do more to lift people out of despair and poverty than any other economic system. In spite of the best efforts of the socialist left in this country, free enterprise still pretty much powers our growing economy. Our low unemployment rate is the envy of the rest of the world.

So .. what if we were to crank up the economic engine in the United States to previously unheard of levels? What if the job-creation machine went into overdrive? What could bring this about? Well, how about a new tax code that completely removed all taxes from business and labor? What if such a tax code made America the world's number one tax haven for businesses? What if companies and manufacturing concerns from around the world started to make their plans to move manufacturing, production and distribution facilities into the United States to take advantage of our tax structure?

Two things would happen. First, job growth would be such in this country that we would have no problem at all assimilating the 11 to 12 million illegal aliens that now reside here. Remember, as I told you yesterday, these people are here to stay. They aren't going anywhere.

Secondly, other countries would start to become very alarmed by the drain of commerce to the United States. They would be unable to compete in a global economy with a country that places absolutely no tax component on labor or businesses. Oh, to be sure, these countries would start howling to the United Nations and to the European Union about "unfair tax competition" from those nasty Americans. Our response would be simple. You aren't going to beat us, so why don't you join us? Industrialized nations that want to maintain any significant portion of their manufacturing base would be compelled to play the same game America is playing. Understand, please, that these countries would have no choice. What are they going to do? Are they going to continue to tax the puddin' out of their own manufacturing base while the United States sits there across the pond, or north of the border, inviting all the world to come play in our tax-free business environment? Sooner or later, they have to play the game; and when they do it would usher in a new era of freedom and economic growth for the people of those countries. No longer would they have to leave their homes to find the opportunities they desire. The opportunities would come to them.

Now all we have to do is figure out such a tax system. Hmmmmmmm.

And more:

MORE FEEL-GOOD PROTESTS

Some 36,000 students...most of which probably wanted nothing more than to have the day off...skipped class and marched through downtown Los Angeles yesterday. Their cause? According to the mainstream media, they were protesting an immigration bill in Congress. How many of those 36,000 students do you suppose have read the immigration bill that has them so upset? Not many, I would guess.

Some were waving flags from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala. That's nice. Perhaps if they like those countries so much, they'll do us all a favor and move back to them. Anyway, all of these kids skipped school..cut class. They broke the rules. What do you think will happen to them? Absolutely nothing. They'll be allowed right back to school without any penalty. And that goes hand in hand with the issue being debated. Do whatever you want without any consequences. The rule of law means nothing.

Listen to this quote from some moron named Sergio Aguirre: "This is a country of immigrants, and this country would not be possible without us. We are the backbone, we work hard to get here and we work hard after we're here, but this bill is trying to take all that away." This is a classic case of someone talking about something they know nothing about. Aguirre is a legal immigrant. The bill being circulated in Congress only addresses illegal aliens.

One marcher said they deserved to not be treated like criminals. Fine...then don't be a criminal. If you're here legally, then you won't be treated like a criminal under the proposed legislation. If the children are our future, then we're in trouble.

Just because you aren't aware of it, doesn't mean its not real. Visit any mexican student organizations at UC schools and hear whats on their agenda.

This pretty much sums it up :thumbsup

Do you read threads thoroughly?

The Hispanic population trend is growing so enormously in the United States that whites are NO LONGER going to be THE MAJORITY in this country in 44 years.

So when you say this is your country, not theirs, you better start making lots of babies real soon, if you expect to keep control of this land, because the future trend is going to turn this country into The United States of Hispanica.

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Originally Posted by Kimmykim
You can put the crack pipe down any time. My boyfriends Latino, the first generation on either side of his family to be born here (his father fled Castro's Cuba, his mothers family immigrated from Mexico), so I think if there were some sort of Mexican conspiracy to take over the Southwest I'd have heard something about it, even if it were just him chitchatting with the cleaning lady or the gardeners about their impending rise to power in America.


Finally some acknowledge of the reality! Thanks!

And as I've said before, the LEGAL Mexicans where I live are losing jobs to the ILLEGAL Mexicans. Now, when this huge Mexican uprising begins, are you telling me the legal Mexicans are going to side with the ones taking their jobs and breaking laws? Okee dokee.........

KRL do you have a basic reading comprehension problem?

She said "OUR country", which refers to AMERICANS, as opposed to "THEM", the illegals who will be deported.

Then you brought up something about an increasing percentage of hispanic population, which has nothing to do with anything. You keep bringing up race as a factor here when the only issue is citizenship status. Are you racist? You seem to be confusing "us" (americans) with anyone who is not hispanic.

You just answered your own question. The invaders do not want to assimilate and take responsibility as taxpaying citizens. They hate america and american citizens. They've appropriated the language of the civil rights movement and silence opponents of their ugly hateful attitudes by calling us racists.

And if you are hiring these people, you are a traitor to your country. We used to pay our legal citizen housekeeper 20 bucks an hour rather than hire illegals for $5. Why? Because for some fucked up reason, we still feel loyalty to our fellow citizens and the laws of the land. Fucked up I say, because it seems like we're the only ones. :Oh crap

I suppose that some of you nitwits still believe the South is going to rise again too.

The ignorance in this thread is amazing. If the local, state or federal governments could figure out a way to benefit from illegal aliens in this country, no one would be crying about them.

The economics don't work like that, won't work like that, and can't work like that. But for most illegals, it's better to be here working for minimum wage than it is to be in their own country without work.

It's a stalemate situation. Not the potential for a civil war. We can't have a civil war with Mexico, Mexico is not part of the US. We could have a civilized war I suppose, but that's about it. If an illegal immigrant population took up arms and declared war on US citizens -- whether US born or living here legally -- it would last about a day and a half.

No, you're not. I paid my legal Brazillian housekeeper a lot more than I could have gotten an illegal Mexican for. Ditto for the guys who just cut down a tree for me. Some of us still believe that doing things the legal way is right. Amazing how many don't follow that logic :(

Why dont you throw out some numbers on how much we spend per year to support them.

OMG wake up. Do you realize how many businesses and companies employ illegal immigrants in the US that you want to label as traitors?

The biggest retailer in the US, Wal-Mart has even hired illegals. LOL

And they've been fined for it, LOL! See, when you do something ILLEGAL, you pay the price for it. Get it yet?

I'm not talking about any militant group that is advocating that every mexican in East LA pick up arms and march to downtown LA to take over the City government. These groups are advocating a rise to power through POLITICAL POWER, thats already happening in states like california where the hispanic population is one of the fastest growing.

Let me guess, you probably live near somewhere like Marina Del Ray? Open your eyes, you obviously don't know whats going on.

Care to elaborate?

That's a complex data set that there is a wide disparity of opinions on.

Currently the immigrant population is increasing in the US at the rate of 500,000 per year.

On top of the new ones arriving, the illegals already here are creating an additional 450,000 children per year who then become legal citizens. That's a significant amount and means 1 in 10 children in the US is born by an illegal mother.

This is why the data gets complex because you have to factor that the illegals are also creating legal citizens in an amount equal to the new illegals arriving each year.

My issue is that yes it is a crime, but the vast majority of these people are extremely excellent and hard workers. They don't come here to paint graffiti on walls like people are joking about. They are old fashion good people with strong morals and values. They come here to work not to fuck around.

When I ran a textile factory in LA the only ethnic group employed that we never had problems with were the Hispanic workers. They would arrive at work early, take a minimal lunch break, never waste company time, work non-stop throughout the day, and often would want to keep working to make sure the days manufacturing quota was ahead of scheduled production. I have great respect for people that work hard which is why I'm such a staunch defender of their rights. I learned a lot about their culture and their feelings about the US and such.

Didn't you read her post? She's fucking a half-mexican. Doesn't that make her an expert on all things hispanic? :winkwink:

I don't know if anyone is aware of this but the number of illegals are underreported in a major way. Not just hispanics but Asian, West Indians, Eastern Europeans and others.

I'd say hispanics are the majority NOW... but thier voice was so small in this country it didn't seem like it. That's changing as we speak.

Another very little known fact is the Treasury Departments / SSA's "Earnings Suspense Database Files."

Because illegals use made up SS numbers on their W2's, when the Treasury Dept started to really look at the number of mismatched statements they were staggering. During the 1990's alone the government had to literally "stash" and set aside as "unknown suspense" over $189 Billion of wages that weren't in sync with real SS numbers. The government makes money from all the deductions out of this for social security and medicare that they'll never have to pay out on. Plus since these people can't file income tax returns, the government keeps all the tax money deducted out and never has to issue them a tax refund. This is one of the real reasons the government has hesitated to clamp down on the borders. Just like the big corporations, the government is profiting by taking in billions of dollars from these people.

Thank you, KRL.
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PS - Didn't realize its up to $300 Bil now. Wow! If that doesn't prove the government's hypocrisy perfectly. LOL. They want to take their money and then call them criminals at the same time. So typical. :1orglaugh

Its just like the bogus war on drugs and all the money the DEA takes in from seizing the property and money of dealers that it then keeps.

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Uh, they aren't TAKING the money. They are being GIVEN the money by people who are illegal. What do YOU propose they do with it? Since the people GIVING the money are lying about who they are, how to you propose they track down the rightful people and credit them in some way or give them the money back on their way back to Mexico?

Personally I agree with the idea of giving it to the schools, hospitals and welfare systems which are also being used by these fake SS numbers.