Matt 26z

FACT: Not a single drop of blood was found at the Flight 93 crash site in the field. This is the first time in the entire history of aviation that nothing was found at the crash site of a large airliner.

Still think there were people on that plane?

Loose Change 2nd Edition

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

I'm surprised there isn't more talk about what is in that video starting at 58:50. They weren't the first to come up with this but it covers the idea (or absolute fact?) that Flight 93 was at Cleveland 39 minutes after it supposedly crashed in the field.

If you don't want to watch it or have trouble understanding it, the conspiracy works like this....

10:00 - Cleveland airport evacuated, hijacked plane may be arriving
10:06 - "Flight 93" crashes in the field
10:10 - Delta 1989 lands (who they evacuated the airport for)
10:45 - Flight 93 lands
11:15 - Flight 93 passengers taken off plane and to evacuated building
12:30 - Delta 1989 passengers taken off plane and to FAA headquarters

The Flight 93 activity takes place between Delta's to hide it. The total evacuation of the airport helps this plan. As does the fact that they barred everyone in the airport from using their own cars or buses to leave. People were forced to walk on foot.

What happens at this point is anyone's guess, but I've got a pretty good idea myself.

With all methods of transportation out of the airport shut down (and the entire airport shut down for that matter), this would have accomplished keeping everyone on Flight 93 together. Delta 1989 still had to be evacuated, but nobody was going to rent a car or get on a private bus to leave. This time they would be getting on death buses.

So next time someone asks where the lost family members of 9/11 went, this is a possible scenario for at least one of the flights.


Here's a page that lists all of the necessary sources...

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modul...hp?storyid=323

Also check out the third response on the bottom of that page (first one by "Walker"). There's some good links there.

MattO

What a load of shit. If they wanted to make people think a plane full of people crashed into PA they'd just fucking crash it, not come up with some elaborate scheme to spirt away a jet full of passengers then somehow shut them and all their families up.

James-AR

spooky man. but i think the bigger question is. the plan that "hit" the pentagon. how does a 173 foot plane fit through a 17 foot hole without any debris?

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minusonebit

This sounds like something Bush would pull.

CheeseFrog

FALSE FALSE FALSE... Get your facts straight before you start proclaiming utter fantasy to be "fact" ROFL...

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CheeseFrog

ROFL oh so now we have an expert on plane crashes here! This is getting funnier by the second

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Matt 26z

Who said anything about having to shut people up? They would have been killed and their families would think they died in plane crashes.

James-AR

no just an observation

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Strategic conspiracy sig placement.

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Matt 26z

"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

"I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."

- Wally Miller, Somerset County Coroner

marketsmart

if there was any unity in this country 5 million people could show up at washington and stay until all national archive documnets were provided...

never happen but i would gladly be one of the 5 million...

James-AR

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Manowar

would be interesting for sure

KRL

Do you know how planes are constructed? LOL Jets are just made of lightweight aluminum and composites wrapped around a simple frame shell.

Commercial jets aren't made of iron. You could fuck one up with a hammer.

An F5 Tornado does 260 MPH and can destroy steel reinforced concrete buildings. These jets were like F10's.

A fully fueled jet plane traveling at full throttle is going over 500 MPH and literally becomes a bomb at that point where everything will be instantly desintegrated on impact.

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Kevsh

Ok, maybe they didn't find DNA at the crash site ... but did they find any DNA of the passengers at the Cleveland airport?

The point is: Is it easier to believe a plane exploded and no blood was found OR they managed to evacuate all passengers at a nearby airport, kill them all (with no evidence or witnesses to these killings), and nobody responsible in any way shape or form has come forward? Nor any tangible evidence besides claiming a plane landed there?

You using the improbability of no remains found as proof of a conspiracy is fairly valid until you suggest the alternative ... a far more unbelievable event in which there is far less evidence.

When the Loose Change boys get some concrete evidence of their theory, this is about as believable as aliens abducting Elvis.

lyn1

Matt, on the basis of this moronic quote, does this mean you have made over 4,000 other moronic posts on GFY.

Get a fucking life. If they wanted to crash a plane, they would crash a plane with the people on board you dick rather than shoot them someone else.

Haven't you ever worked out the perfect crime? It means you do it yourself, because once you add extra people, at least one blabs. That is why group crimes come unstuck.

Now after this comment, I can see it happening...all the moronic pro-conspiracy freaks will start a thread on GFY on how George Bush did it all himself.

FUCKING WANKY STUFF.

Lyn from Australia

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Dollarmansteve

This is false. Please do not believe all the conspiracy propaganda you read.

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sickkittens

So where are all the people who they claimed died in the plane?

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Doctor Dre

You guys are so guillible... seriously, why bother trying to know what happened ? the gov prolly did it, but there is nothing to be done about it.

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lyn1

Hey KRL, This quote is too complex for the uneducated pr-conspiracy lobby here on GFY to understand. They wont understand what the complex terms like 'lightweight' 'composite' 'steel reinforced concrete' '260MPH' 'fuck one up with a hammer' means.

Go get a Sesame Street book and quote a few lines from that and they will understand more easily.

I remember dicks like this at school. They would sit in the corner with a group of other nerds, never do well at school, sport or with the girls and come up with totally non-sensible bullshit to make some reasoning for their sad existence on this earth.

Lyn from Oz

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Pure Evil

it only sounds like that because you're exceptionally stupid

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NickPapageorgio

I'm not gonna even touch this conversation as this place can become quite retarded when people disagree about things, however, if fully fueled jets travelling at over 500mph turn into bombs and instantly desintegrate...then why are bodies and tons of debris found at crash sites? Just pointing out that the logic is flawed if you're saying that only this jet could completely turn to dust along with everything in it, yet not other planes aswell. I'm going back to my cave...

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KRL

Remember the ValueJet Flight 592 crash in Miami a few years back. That bird went straight down into just a couple feet of swamp water. You couldn't even tell there was a crash there. Same kind of impact.

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stickyfingerz

as opposed to just crashing the fucking plane right?

Where do these fuckin wackos come from...

Pure Evil

careful, you're making sense, these conspiracy jerkoffs cant handle the truth.

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stickyfingerz

Most planes are trying NOT to crash. Hence the difference. Free fall speed is way different than a full throttle plane.

Dollarmansteve

Alot of crashes happen with the pilots at the controls trying to avoid the crash, thus speeds are greatly reduced, etc..

These crashes happened at very high speed with the pilots trying to crash them, very much unlike a 'normal' plane crash.

edit: im too slow... at least im not the only one who knows this...

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jjjay

nobody gives a shit

stop clogging up the board with this conspiracy drivel

you suck at life

KRL

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Scootermuze

Then why didn't this F10 equivalent do damage where the wings would have hit the bldg.? If the force was so powerful then the wings would have at least taken out the windows, yet they are unbroken.. Cable spools next to the bldg. untouched.. yada yada..

The fuel in a 757 is in the fuselage and wing root.. At worst, any fire would only have damaged the part of the wing close to the fuselage.. And Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to desintegrate metal..

And as far as simple framing.. Not so simple.. and the engines, as large as they are, won't just vanish no matter the impact...

But there are other factors that raise numerous questions with the 757 idea...

Michaelious

I wish all this conspiracy stuff would just go away... oh wait, maybe i work for the CIA lol

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baddog

most likely

Phoenix

im starting to think some people here are hardcore jesuits

how long can you look ignorance in the face?

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ronbotx

I don't where they come from, but there is an endless supply on GFY.

Doesn't this discussion sound a bit familiar....?????.... hmmmm

CheeseFrog

Don't bother to introduce logic into this. Remember, you're dealing with plane crash experts who KNOW what should be left over after a 600mph crash with subsequent 1600F incineration.

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jjjay

here's the simple fact you clearly seem to miss:

most normal people don't give a flying fuck about drivel like this. making money, spending money, enjoying life, is far more worthwhile

believing conspiracy theories doesn't make you clever, nor interesting.

now, you'll probably come back with "you're all sheep". here's the thing - I don't care. you achieve nothing in life believing in conspiracies. all it does is make you feel better about yourself because you've got something to believe in, but nothing in the outside world actually changes. any 'accomplishment' you feel you've made by believing this crap is purely in your mind

you haven't challenged government because you're posting on a fucking message board. if you really want to make a difference, turn off your computer and become an elected official

99.99% of conspiracy's are utter bullshit, and it's amazing you can't see this. all you do is waste your life trying to prove something that's complete bullshit anyway. you might as well be a catholic priest, spending your day trying to convert the unbelievers to your particular brand of fairy tales

Matt 26z

Do you think the people of Germany believed their leader didn't have their best interest in mind and that he was also exterminating the Jews? Hitler had a huge approval rating. Can you imagine the shock Germans felt when they finally realized what was going on?

It's a natural knee jerk reaction to deny that members of your own government are doing something so bad. That is why 99.9% of Americans are blind patriots.

People see the 9/11 evidence and they immediately blow it off with "This is America, and that can't happen here!" Yes, I'm afraid it can.


As for the holes or down right crazy parts of some alternative 9/11 theories, everything is still in it's early stages. Just because certain parts have been discredited doesn't mean the whole thing should be thrown out. It's going to take time for the people who will eventually rewrite history to work the kinks out and piece together new evidence.

Nobody ever said that the theories out now are 100% accurate and complete. Far from it. You can call the writers of the current theories fools, but you are a fool if you accept the government's official story.

jjjay

It's got to the point that I'm so uninterested in what you have to say, I'm considering putting you on ignore. this conspiracy shit is completely played out. nobody fucking cares. really

directfiesta

So, backup your claim :

Please quote where I give even opinions ( forget authority ...) on :

- fire burning features
- plane folding wings
- missiles
- 500 mph
- burning spoons ( )

You probably were referring to " Shittyfingerzdotnet " ...

I only sometimes give info ( with backup info ) on certain activities of your beloved administration...

So please, quote me.

If you were just able to read, I even posted above that I do not " buy " the actual conspiracy theory that ' Bush did it ' .. just a little above.

But naturally, you wont , you will just jibble stupid comments like most of you do here ...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=590982&page=4

Seems like I can call you a thief without any backup ... If it is said, it is true ...

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directfiesta

Too bad you don't have all that great knowledge for your business .....


IBILL !!!!

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stickyfingerz

You mean the story where a bunch of wacko terrorists that hate us and our country took over planes and crashed them into buildings with one failing and crashing instead into a field? What is sooo unbelieveable about that? Box cutters were not checked for post 911. Cockpit doors didnt even lock securely. We didnt have air marshalls on hardly any flights. You make us out to be nuts. If you REALLY think the government is trying to snare you into its evil web, you've got bigger issues than I thought.

stickyfingerz

Yup another reason the site is not up, and infact never went live. That was almost a year ago. I was doing it all with no guidence. If you think all I do is that site you are a fuckin fool. lol That was my first learning project. Laugh while you can directcumfiesta.

Scootermuze

From the experts:

A devil's advocate might bring up the fire that burned inside the building for approximately seven minutes before being extinguished. Although the colour temperature of the fire appears too bright for kerosene (i.e., jet fuel), we will invoke the White House interpretation of events, as mentioned earlier. Kerosene burns at approximately 860 degrees celsius in ambient air and less in a confined space where the fire tends to use up oxygen. (ASCE 2003)

Fireball From Initial Hole in Pentagon, or secondary explosion?

Could such a fire have destroyed both wings to the point of near invisibility? The simplest answer is that the left wing was exposed to fire only near the wing root, the more distal portions being completely beyond the reach of flames or heat sufficient to melt the aluminum, let alone to burn it. The window frames to the left of the initial hole are all intact, so any heat radiated from the fires in the building would have had to come through the windows to the outside, largely missing any sections of wing that might have been lying outside them.

At six meters from the fire, even under direct exposure, the heat would have been insufficient to raise the temperature of the aluminum skin much above 500 C, well below the melting temperature of aluminum, namely 660 C (NASA 2003).

In other words, it would have been a physical impossibility for any portion of the port wing beyond about four meters from the fire to be melted, vaporized or in any way destroyed by it. Thus, at least 16 m (52' 6") of that wing ought to have remained (and to have been clearly visible) on the left of the entrance hole. In fact, no such debris appears in any of the pictures taken of the Pentagon that morning.

A. K. Dewdney, mathematician/computer scientist
G. W. Longspaugh, aerospace engineer

KRL

Can't believe how thick headed some of you guys are.

Just look at this video. Its a jet landing at normal speed that comes in at too sharp an angle. Look how easily the entire tail section of the plane just pops
off.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+crash&pl=true

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ROLF

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SilentKnight

This all gets better by the hour.

So now Flt. 93 is stashed away somewhere...perhaps parked next to the 5 navy Avenger bombers from Flight 19 that disappeared in the supposed Bermuda Triangle years ago?

The passengers and crew are being comfortably housed in the same hangar they used as a soundstage to shoot the faked moon landings?

Someone bring Mulder outta retirement, would you? We've got a dousie on our hands this time!

Thanks for the entertainment. This makes my cable ISP bill this month worth every penny.

Peter_ANYwebcam

I'm not getting into this but this video is interesting.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/planewall.html

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GatorB

So instead of letting them die on the plane they killed them some other way in some other place? WHY? Seems stupid. Well we are talking about Bush. Anyways yur theory is shit. Passengers call family members while the highjacking was going on or was that faked too?

Scootermuze

Yep.. popped right off at normal speed.. and that plane was being flown by a pro...
Wonder why the tail didn't pop off of the 757.. or the 55' wings.. or anything apparently because a single explosion burned up the wings, body, tail, engines.. yada yada...
Don't forget.. the object hit at about a 45 degree angle, which means the starboard wing would have hit first which would have slung the plane enough to snap off the tail section.. (determined by experts)

In that you're the authority.. explain how a guy that couldn't fly (per his instructor) manually maneuvered a 60 ton 757 into position, then over an interstate very near the bldg., then drop and level off to to enter the building without hitting the ground prior to entry.. all while traveling at several hundred mph..
Commercial pilots with years of experience have said there's no way it could be done by even the most seasoned pilots..

Damn those thick headed pilots!