This is a complex issue, but here goes.

There are a lot of things going on now versus '98 or whenever some others had gotten into the biz. Back then you had fewer programs, and actual quality by comparison. There were plenty, but nothing like today. So you have more sharks in the sea slitting each other's throats for the same dollas.

The surfers are now better educated to the internet, as well as they have come to realize their are more choices. So they are less willing to whip out those credit cards for the "in the pinch porn" they would back in the days. Just as a foot fetish person back in the day would have to settle for some weak ass shit, now they can get exactly what they want if they search some 10,000 sites to find the right combo of updates, quality, and content for their dollar.

You have the abundance of free stuff. So since you have that group of freeloaders who can get it for free, and get their minute man raisin's off in 20 seconds of someone naked other than their wife, they never have to buy.

Then their are all the shady tactics that have people paranoid to break out a credit card for anything because they are worried about the phisers and the rest out there.

What you have is a better educated customer who knows there is either more than enough free stuff if generic things get them off in 20 seconds, or they will continue looking until they find the RIGHT site.

Someone said a few years back that there would be a change, and it's true for this business. Over the next two years (atleast for the US webby) if you do not have a solid business plan, market, or network of sites. You will be shut out of this business. We've seen this happening all over the place.

Sure you will always have those who are still asking about how much money, and they have the next great idea, blah blah we hear all the time. But there will be a lot of consolidation, and the small fries will no longer be able to compete competitively unless they have an enormous amount of time, or resources to back them.

Beer money? Sure. But not rolling like a pimp, and all the other stereotypes.

You will always have those 3-6 month wonder kids to full the lower rungs of the ladder, but there will be few real players left w/i the next 2 years.

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haha thanks Brother ;)

I feel that the only way I can ever get you to use us, though, is for you to make me an offer to buy us or merge with us LOL

that's an educated guess from trying to convert you for too long, and knowing you for much longer as well hehd :thumbsup

Maybe if Ron and I team up and kick the shit out of him?!?

I dunno ... just thinking out loud here ...

Kidding Shap :winkwink:

ITSYOURPORN.COM is Soul_Rebel approved :)

Phil's plugin is better than 90% or more of the paysites your avg sponsors offer.

Thanks Kristin ;)


Find me over in Phoenix so I can properly introduce myself to you and Chris, and then when I see Ricky swing by I'll introduce you both ;)

I just hope that with all Shap's success this last year he won't have a bodyguard to screen his acquaintances LOL

Then, once we are all introduced, you can go ahead and entertain Beth while Shap, Chris and I slip away for a golf game perhaps HEHEHE

There is still plenty of money to made for the smaller affilates. It's just that they all promote the same sites and girls, i don't mind more money for me. Not everyone wants to see a skinny blonde with big boobs.

I better hurry before you are worth more than I can afford :winkwink:

Done Deal!

Very true - you make me think of similarities in that new movie Two For the Money with Al Pacino and Matt McConoughey.

thanks my greek brother ;)

and you guys have some of the sites I like the most as well, which reminds me, I'd still like a lifetime pass to all of them :P me is a fan! ;)

50.........

at your growth rate, I fear this might take a while :P

50 : )

And get out of my thread with all your great supporters ... Damn it! We have IYP, we're supporters.

Fine, stay in the thread.

And Shap, have I got a deal for you ... I have come up with a solution for your problem!

Edit: Damn that woj!

oh well my site is rocking with 1:200 ;)

speaking of which, I am going to golf town in a few hours to pick up my ping hybrid I tried the other day, loved that thing! I might just skip the Fairway #3 Wood I am missing in my ping set and just get a 19 and 21 degree hybrid, these things are HOT!

might also finish my set with a new ping putter, although I am still debating which hehe

Oh really Mr. Speed?!? :winkwink:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=586836

I haven't played since we moved. Just don't have the time now that the course is a 10 minute drive a way rather than 5... it sux :/

But I'm up for woopin ya up any day :)

Interesting... email me or wait until we meet in Phoenix to spring it on me :thumbsup

What can I say? 1:200 IS slow for us! lol

I hope it isn't dying!
 

I am just starting out in this business and I sure hope it isn't dying. We put a lot of time and research into developing our site. We plan to do a great deal of out of the box marketing and not being successful isn't even an option!! I've tried to surround myself with some of the best minds in this business for guidance. I look forward to working with many of you so we can succeed together!

Any business that is not growing is dying...

I find it very interesting that in this thread alone, I count 4 people I used to trade traffic with back in the days when CJ's were the traffic kings, and made ALOT of money circa 1999/2000.

That was the way to teach the surfer to pay for his/her porn. But no, the bleeding hearts in this business said it was wrong doing that, and we should give them free porn, and "sell" them what they want.

Where are those idiots now? Seems the CJ'ers are still around.

LOL

The CJ's now moved into traffic trading since they couldn't get a conversion.


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Amen ;)

Hey Anthony I didn't know you were with 365billing. Nice. I'm meeting with Mark in Phx. Will you be in Phx?

The industry has to evolve.

That's funny i see Me, Doc and Anthony here and we have done not too bad for ourselves, what do you guys think? :winkwink:

I was teasin, hence the 'LOL face'

:winkwink:

Very well said.

Whoops, Damn Caffeine high :upsidedow

AND you guys are putting money into high quality custom pics/vids. Most of the other program owners are not doing this. Perhaps they will learn a thing or 2 from your success and actually pay a little more money for content that has a production quality which is higher than a 5 year old kids birthday party video.

Of course amateur sites SHOULD look amateur but "amateur" does not have to translate to "shitty".

It's all good mate. No worries.
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Sorry Noob, CJ's created Traffic trading, way before you came on the scene. :) Why do you think they were called Circle Jerks?

I converted 1:2500 with ARS back then with that shitty traffic. I could send them 50 to 100k a day. I'm sure you can do the math. I could care less about conversions, all I cared about was how much money I was making. Conversions are smoke and mirrors, you should know your traffic, and what your traffic is capable of, and send to whatever program accordingly.

Rimmer and his UCJ 1.0 in perl started a revolution back in 2000, what was it before Scorpion? The script everyone had?

Ahhh, the mammories...

I understand where Kristin is coming from but I don't think she used the right words to express her dismay with the current state of our industry.

Is the automobile industry dying?
Nope, far from it, it's growing every year both in the industrialized and the emerging nations.
However if you work for Ford or GM (or own stock in them) it probably FEELS like the automobile industry is dying because a big chunk of your profits are going to other people who weren't even in the industry back in your hey day. Also now you have to fight hard for every single customer and give them an amazing deal in order to get their business, rather than saying "here's the car you want it or not?"
Ford and GM think the business is dying but Toyota and Honda think the business is booming.

If you started in this business back when it was super easy to make a buck (think 1998 and before) then you probably think it's shit now.
If you started in this business 2 years ago and you're still around, then you probably think this business is great.
It's all a matter of perspective (and whether your business model is that of GM or of Toyota)

I think the better question is "What have people done to make millions in other industries that were experiencing a similar business cycle?"
And then do that!

Shap,

Still running the mainstream program, but running new accounts with 365, with Mark and the boys. I won't be in Phoenix this year, but definately will see you in our hometown in FLA! :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yeah if the better part of a decade in the business is a noob, you've got it spot on mate. :thumbsup

You might want to read before posting since I said I was kidding.

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Lenny,

Haven't seen you posting much, good to see you doing so again!

As for the analogy, autombiles in this day and age, is a necisssity...

Porn is not.

Plus, how many car manufacturers are selling cars, by giving them away?

your traffic might be 1:1000, not everyones is the same.

Getting pissy because what you said was construed differently than what you meant by more than one person points the blame to...

You.

May I suggest brushing up on your communication skills, your current skillset makes you out to be a wanker.

Here's few advices:

- Don't lose focus on learning new things and researching all aspects of the industry (any kind of) you are working.

- Don't take everything you read as given till you try them yourself.

- Don't get lazy. Working smart alone is not enough.

- Don't drink and drive heh

This industry is only dying if you can't figure out more ways to innovate, properly filter your traffic, and generate traffic.

There is more traffic available now than ever. There are more promo tools at your disposal now than ever.

Sure ratios are lower, but I can honestly say that I rarely see ratios worse than 1:400... And it's not because I'm lucky. If I went much lower, I'd just need to find new ways to increase my traffic.