Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

YAWN!!!!!!!! Go find a hobby. This is soooo tiresome.

Originally Posted by crockett

If you are so smart.. we are presenting evidence that says a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.. Where is the evidence that proves one did?

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists

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That believe the President ordered the attacks so that he could use our military, are you not aware that under the laws of the US and Constitution the President of the United States can order the use of our military to invade any country of his choosing, at any time that he chooses, for any reason that he chooses, without the approval of the Congress or the American people or anyone in the world and without the notification of same except that he must notify the Congress within ninety days from the time that he ordered the use of our military.

Bottom line the President did not have to have a 9/11 to engage our military in Afhganistan or Iraq.

Originally Posted by woj

Assuming if it was all planned, what would the point be of hitting multiple targets? Wouldn't just a single target stir up pretty much the same amount of drama? And obviously the more targets = the more people involved = the higher chance info will leak out..

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

USA Today's Mike Walter was driving near the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet fly directly into the country's military nerve center.




Ok now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

bwahaha , so if some guy said he saw a plane it must be true . LOL nice facts..

If Someone tosses a piece of an oil tanker on your front lawn and the neighbour says he saw an oil tanker crash into your house, but theres nothing but a 3 ft hole in your house , are you going to believe an oil tanker crashed into your house..?

Originally Posted by robfantasy

it all comes down to this..... it happened. we were all watching it unfold via live news broadcast.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i think its fairly safe to boil it down to this..

USA is supposed to be a democracy. The vast majority of americans have questions they need answered about 9/11 that are answerable.. nothing more nothing less.

There are no other "conspiracies" that the majority of americans feel we need answered ..

So when has it become acceptable to ignore the majority of the people ?

Its not. dont let it.

Originally Posted by Franck

Lets stop argueing. Crockett has REAL evidence. No need to discuss this anymore. Lets turn on cnn. This is gonna be something major.

Originally Posted by Franck

Besides eye witnesses and parts of a 757 all over the place? What exactly is it you dont understand?
And WHAT evidence that shows it wasnt? Show me. Show me real evidence that it wasnt a 757.

Originally Posted by crockett

If you are so smart.. we are presenting evidence that says a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.. Where is the evidence that proves one did?

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

I posted tons of it today. Go look around. There are three threads bout it.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

nice facts lol. charlie sheen didnt say all that you pulled part of it from charlie and part of it from any rumour you may have heard..

screw all the other "facts" lets focus on those that CAN be answered...

#1 WHERES THE VIDEO OF THE PENTAGON CRASH ?? we know several videos exist

#2 explain how kerosene travelled down 1000 ft through 3 hermetically sealed elevator shafts to blow out the ground floor of wtc1

#3 explain how the wtc7 collapsed using real life examples and actualy physical proof ( i.e. get a building stick diesel in it light it and lets see it collapse

#4 explain how 2 airliners can completely demolish 3 building , yet another airliner barely puts a dent in the pentagon , and how tons of titanium and steel evaporate for the first time in history, do this using real life examples..( i.e. douse an airliner in kerosene , light it on fire , lets see it evaporate the plane..

Then i will be satisfied..

Originally Posted by crockett

funny the only thing I've seen you post was some jpeg with a url in it which is now 404...

Nothing new was on the jpeg.. just the same olé BS.. a piece of debris all by it's self, which is supposed to be the plane.. umm where are the wings?

Why no impact marks on the building from the engines?

Originally Posted by slapass

Lets say Bush is insane or incredibly stupid. Why do this? You are the most powerful man in the world. You are throwing tons of money to friends and family. Opening up lands to drilling etc. Now you decide to risk it all on this crazy scheme to destroy these buidings? Why do the pentagon at all?

He is at the top of the worrld and we all assume he would risk that just to get into a war? He wouldn't mind going down in history as the first President of the US to bomb his own people?

The buildings were bombed internally? Tons of people working on it and not one has admitted to anything. We never uncovered any explosives after the fact. Nothing showed up?

Keep it simple stupid, worked to perfection and we got hit. Live with it.

Originally Posted by ronbotx

Please Sticky...you know people here will believe that Bush did it no matter what is said. They refuse to believe that the Islamo-Facists and Bin Laden want to destroy us, and planned this mission for years, after the first trade center bombing failed. The planner of the original attack said they
would be back to try again and they succeeded 2nd time around.

As an ex Army officer, I find it hard to believe that even if Bush went off the deep end, that he could find people in the military and intelligence community to go along with this, since we are sworn to protect and defend the constitution and citizens of the United States, not destroy them.

Originally Posted by BinFuckingLaden

Praise be to Allah, we seek His help and ask for his pardon. we take refuge in Allah from our wrongs and bad deeds. Who ever been guided by Allah will not be misled, and who ever has been misled, he will never be guided. I bear witness that there is no God except Allah-no associates with Him- and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and messenger.

{O you who believe! be careful of -your duty to- Allah with the proper care which is due to Him, and do not die unless youPeople, however, tried again and send more letters and petitions. One particular report, the glorious Memorandum Of Advice, was handed over to the king on Muharram, 1413 A.H (July 1992), which tackled the problem pointed out the illness and prescribed the medicine in an original, righteous and scientific style. It described the gaps and the shortcoming in the philosophy of the regime and suggested the required course of action and remedy. The report gave a description of:

(1) The intimidation and harassment suffered by the leaders of the society, the scholars, heads of tribes, merchants, academic teachers and other eminent individuals;

(2) The situation of the law within the country and the arbitrary declaration of what is Halal and Haram (lawful and unlawful) regardless of the Shari'ah as instituted by Allah;

(3) The state of the press and the media which became a tool of truth-hiding and misinformation; the media carried out the plan of the enemy of idolising cult of certain personalities and spreading scandals among the believers to repel the people away from their religion, as Allah, the Exalted said: {surely- as for- those who love that scandal should circulate between the believers, they shall have a grievous chastisement in this world and in the here after} (An-Noor, 24:19).

(4) Abuse and confiscation of human rights;

(5) The financial and the economical situation of the country and the frightening future in the view of the enormous amount of debts and interest owed by the government; this is at the time when the wealth of the Ummah being wasted to satisfy personal desires of certain individuals!! while imposing more custom duties and taxes on the nation. (the prophet said about the woman who committed adultery: "She repented in such a way sufficient to bring forgiveness to a custom collector!!").,

(6) The miserable situation of the social services and infra-structure especially the water service and supply , the basic requirement of life.,

(7) The state of the ill-trained and ill-prepared army and the impotence of its commander in chief despite the incredible amount of money that has been spent on the army. The gulf war clearly exposed the situation.,

(8) Shari'a law was suspended and man made law was used instead.,

(9) And as far as the foreign policy is concerned the report exposed not only how this policy has disregarded the Islamic issues and ignored the Muslims, but also how help and support were provided to the enemy against the Muslims; the cases of Gaza-Ariha and the communist in the south of Yemen are still fresh in the memory, and more can be said.

As stated by the people of knowledge, it is not a secret that to use man made law instead of the Shari'a and to support the infidels against the Muslims is one of the ten "voiders" that would strip a person from his Islamic status (turn a Muslim into a Mushrik, non believer status). The All Mighty said: {and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are the unbelievers} (Al-Ma'ida; 5:44), and {but no! by your Lord! they do not believe (in reality) until they make you a judge of that which has become a matter of disagreement among them, and then do not find the slightest misgiving in their hearts as to what you have decided and submit with entire submission} (An-Nissa; 4:65).

In spite of the fact that the report was written with soft words and very diplomatic style, reminding of Allah, giving truthful sincere advice, and despite of the importance of advice in Islam - being absolutely essential for those in charge of the people- and the large number who signed this document as well as their supporters, all of that was not an intercession for the Memorandum . Its' content was rejected and those who signed it and their sympathisers were ridiculed, prevented from travel, punished and even jailed.

Therefore it is very clear that the advocates of correction and reform movement were very keen on using peaceful means in order to protect the unity of the country and to prevent blood shed. Why is it then the regime closed all peaceful routes and pushed the people toward armed actions?!! which is the only choice left for them to implement righteousness and justice. To whose benefit does prince Sultan and prince Nayeff push the country into a civil war that will destroy everything? and why consulting those who ignites internal feuds, playing the people against each other and instigate the policemen, the sons of the nation, to abort the reform movement. While leaving in peace and security such traitors who implement the policy of the enemy in order to bleed the financial and the human resources of the Ummah, and leaving the main enemy in the area-the American Zionist alliance enjoy peace and security?!

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Wtf you talkin about no impact marks???


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http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...53#post9552753

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Reminds me of: Saddam, show us that you don't have WMD ...

Proving a negative is a nonsense.


It is to you to prove, not the other to " disprove " ....

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

There is one issue I find interesting but have never heard it mentioned. Its been said that the burning fuel caused the metal in the buildings to melt which caused the collapses. But here's the problem with that, the fuel was immediately ignited on impact and would have dissipated in the explosion. Even if some fuel did escape and fall down elevator shafts it would have burned itself out before it even had a chance to fall 80 stories. That in itself would have caused an explosion but would 10,000 gallons of jet fuel spread out over 80 stories burn long enough to cause metal to melt? Jet fuel is highly flammable and burns very rapidly. Personally I seriously doubt that much fuel dropped down the entire building because most of it was burned of in the explosion.


Here's even a bigger issue. Lets say the fuel did burn long enough to melt metal. It would have had to of melt the metal on at least two sides of the building at exactly the same time for the building to collapse the way it did, the metal itself would have had to have been uniformly identical in strength and structure for it all to give way at the exact same time. Me thinks one side of the building would have given way sooner than the other, even if it was a second or two which would have caused the building to fall to the side. Take into account both buildings collapsed the same way and it doesnt add up.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Wtf you talkin about no impact marks???



Post 16 down assmunch

Originally Posted by crockett

those pictures were taken after fire had done much of the damage and before the collapse..

Try looking at a picture from just after the impact.. like this one..



Notice just to the left of the hole, there are still intact windows.. windows that would have taken the brunt blow from the left wing and engine.

I'm hot linking the image.. if it do't work.. look here

Originally Posted by GFX Wiz

Has anyone ever stopped to think about the impossibility of those aircrafts finding downtown Manhattan?

Originally Posted by Scootermuze

If the damage on the right is an impact mark, it would had to have been from the wing.. and in that the wing didn't penetrate the wall, there should be remnants of a wing somewhere.. We're talkin 125' wingspan.. Not even the slightest sign of a wing.. or the tail.. or anything...
and notice the cable spools.. a 757 entering the first floor would have taken those suckers with it..

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Here is a hint. There is more than 2 tanks on a plane.

And B. The metal didnt need to melt, it just need to attain more maliability.

Hold a spoon with some lead sinkers in it with a pair of pliars. Now take a lighter to the thinner part of the spoon and see what happens. The metal wont melt, but the structural integrity of the spoon is comprimised. It doesnt take a rocket scientist.

btw the columns on the wtc buildings run down the center. Once one floor dropped it started a pancake effect that could not be stopped.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

The wings got folded into the plane as it went into the building at 500mph. Do you know how fast 500mph is?

Originally Posted by Phoenix

your thought expirements are very imaginative..but they only hold credence in your mind

dont compare cheap spoons to high grade construction steel

you guys are just grasping at straws so you can continue to go to mcdonalds in the morning buy your blue jeans and think everything is hunky dorey in la la land...i wish i was that able

Originally Posted by wonton

Everyone here is unfortunately missing the point. Arguing about scientific questions (planes, missles, controlled demolitions) is exactly the kind of technical confusion that the powers-that-be want.

Think of it this way - for over 40 years we have had a piece of film (Zapruder) that offers SCREAMING PROOF that President Kennedy was shot in the front, and not in the back of the head by some lone gunman. And what good has that concrete piece of evidence done? The Warren Commission simply rolled out paid scientific shill after scientific shill, even going so far as to present a cockamamie MAGIC BULLET THEORY, a totally outlandish explanation to counteract the obvious. And in the past 40 years, an ENTIRE INDUSTRY in the media has been formed all to convince you of one thing:

YOU DID NOT SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SAW.

That is why on 911, Michael Ruppert has it so right - he builds his case SOLELY from government documents and mainstream news reports and totally ignores areas where one would simply pit one expert against another. Not all criminals are put behind bars based on physical evidence. Many have been prosecuted and sentenced based on a preponderence of evidence from sworn statements, eyewitness accounts, irrefutable timelines, etc., etc.

So I will say again, as I have been saying for the past couple of years: READ THIS 696 PAGE BOOK. The case is entirely lined out, point by irrefutable point, and whether the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions or whether no plane hit the Pentagon - IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. The case for gov complicity in 911 is overwhelming even without those questions being answered. There is enough just on the public record to prove it:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...lance&n=283155

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Ya ok so replace the spoon with steel beams and replace the lead sinkers with 15 floors of concrete. And Im sure an explosion like this one



Had no affect on the structual integreity of the building

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

We dont need Kennedy wackjobs in here, we have enough retards at the moment. No one fuckin cares about you and your magic bullet crap.

Originally Posted by wonton

I know no one cares. And that is unfortunately why we are in the mess we are in today - on the verge of losing the American Republic to a bunch of criminal fascists.

General Tommy Franks has already been quoted as saying that if a "terror attack" with a WMD happened on American soil, the constitution would likely be scrapped in favor of a military form of government. He's okay with that. And by the looks of it, most Americans would just go along like sleepwalkers.

Of course, people will eventually wake up but if history is any model, by then it will be too late and they will all be crying over spilt milk. As for me, I just like to sit back and watch the show. It's the greatest show on earth and we all get front row seats.

Originally Posted by wonton

"grand experiment" that is all that democracy amounts to in the minds of these power-hungry fascist elites. They are taking us all down on the express freight elevator ta hell.

Yeeehaaaaa!

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Just a note. Tommy Franks is retired. Also are you a commie?

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

God fuckin damnit you are stupid. Look right above the car. See the damage going into the building? And enough with the fuckin windows the were explosion proof glass. It was'nt single plate glass from the early 1900's. The building was made to withstand attacks and hurricanes. Enough with it already. Its been beaten more than your tiny cock. GAHH!!! nutjobs... lol