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woj · 03-25-2006, 10:53 PM

50......,..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-25-2006, 11:00 PM

for all the people who cant see shit in the image i posted , ill explain..

on thr right hand side on the upper ten floors or so of the building as it collapses you see some sideways expplosions.. goin upward from about 10 floors to the top floor by floor..

Anyone who has seen controlled demo's a few times can see it looks like how they dring down large buildings. Also if you look in the center of the building just before it collapses you see whats known as a wedge drop with the center windows breaking out , also an almost snapshot of what a demo does, they "crimp" the center then drop the floors one by one from bottom to top to make the building freefall inwards so as not to damage buildings..

With all this being said , it doesnt mean it was a demo.. but the guy who owns the building was on the news saying the fire department told him it was beyond repair so he made the decision to "pull" the building..

Ok so again like i say it doesnt mean it was a demo though , i suppose he could have meant the decision was made not to try and fight the fire.. and nobody knows what a steel building collapsing from fire looks like because it has never happened. perhaps when steel building DO collapse they look exactly like demo's

I do know i have seen lots of buildings collapse from fire , and they dont fall straight down, one side collapses and ther building falls that direction. and i know what i saw on the video looks just like a demo building.. thats all i know .. until someone qualified tells me differently.

I just watched them demo a set of buildings on t.v. why not put the theory of fire to a test and load them with diesel and see if they collapse..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-25-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

50......,..

fixed yer bot i see

KRL · 03-25-2006, 11:07 PM

Just read the minute by minute analysis of how every government agency was handling and responding to the attack and you can easily surmise the probability of a conspiracy is minimal.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

Total botch job to put it mildly.

The NCA (National Command Authority) secure phone from Air Force One wasn't even working and Bush kept getting disconnected in the middle of his frantic calls to contact Cheney and Rumsfeld.

All I can say, we are lucky as hell Russia never launched nukes at us during the cold war. They would have decimated the US.

Kevin - The PNN · 03-25-2006, 11:42 PM

Another Poll

98% of people think CCN is not a trusted news source

They are ultra liberal

Dagwolf · 03-25-2006, 11:43 PM

A republican administration covering something up? Who ever heard of such a thing?

Greg B · 03-26-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

for all the people who cant see shit in the image i posted , ill explain..

on thr right hand side on the upper ten floors or so of the building as it collapses you see some sideways expplosions.. goin upward from about 10 floors to the top floor by floor..

Anyone who has seen controlled demo's a few times can see it looks like how they dring down large buildings. Also if you look in the center of the building just before it collapses you see whats known as a wedge drop with the center windows breaking out , also an almost snapshot of what a demo does, they "crimp" the center then drop the floors one by one from bottom to top to make the building freefall inwards so as not to damage buildings..

With all this being said , it doesnt mean it was a demo.. but the guy who owns the building was on the news saying the fire department told him it was beyond repair so he made the decision to "pull" the building..

Ok so again like i say it doesnt mean it was a demo though , i suppose he could have meant the decision was made not to try and fight the fire.. and nobody knows what a steel building collapsing from fire looks like because it has never happened. perhaps when steel building DO collapse they look exactly like demo's

I do know i have seen lots of buildings collapse from fire , and they dont fall straight down, one side collapses and ther building falls that direction. and i know what i saw on the video looks just like a demo building.. thats all i know .. until someone qualified tells me differently.

I just watched them demo a set of buildings on t.v. why not put the theory of fire to a test and load them with diesel and see if they collapse..

What is the building you posted? Is it building 7 or just a building undergoing a demo?

Greg B · 03-26-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

The one story that is just mind boggling is that of a Boeing 767 flying through a little hole in the Pentagon and leaving no marks on the ground.. no debris.. no damage to the 10' cable spools, construction trailer, or fence that was right in the path.. Very few support pillars inside damaged, and no sign of fire on any but the first floor office walls... But they insist that's what it was...

And even funnier... Some people believe it.. Gotta love it..

Upon further inspection it was found that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. The explosion was due to friendly fire. Below is a still image of the true culprits from a video camera posted on a gas station nearby.

Centurion · 03-26-2006, 02:20 AM

To those that believe there was a 9/11 coverup..I ask three questions:

1)Why?
2)Who?
3)How?

SmokeyTheBear · 03-26-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

What is the building you posted? Is it building 7 or just a building undergoing a demo?

building 7 . the fact you had to question it says alot

i'm sure the layperson couldnt tell the difference , but if i showed you a normal building collapse from fire you would say " aha fire"

SmokeyTheBear · 03-26-2006, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

To those that believe there was a 9/11 coverup..I ask three questions:

1)Why?
2)Who?
3)How?

#1 lots of guesses to that but who knows , thats why you have an impartial investigation to answer certain questions that are easy to answer like " wheres the videos of the pentagon crash " , or "have qualified impartial people explain why 3 steel building collapse from fire all in the same day from 2 jets , yet another jet bounces of the pentagon and vaporizes leaving a tiny hole

)

#2 who knows, see above on why we have investigations to figure these things out , thats the whole point of an impartial investigation , to answer questions like " why were israeli agents filming the 911 attacks from rooftops " , "who profited from 9/11" etc etc.

#3 Who knows , again thats why we have an investigation

we have alot of theories , but until there is an investigation they are just wild guesses. thermite on the columns seems like a safe bet considering there was molten hot metal found a week after 9/11 in the rubble of all 3 collapsed buildings, but hell i dont know if thermite could do it , thats we have experts ponder these things and point out facts in the form of an impartial investigation

chshkt · 03-26-2006, 03:56 AM

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JFK · 03-26-2006, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SirMoby

The most far flung unbelievable story ever told talks about parting seas, virgins giving birth and people rising from the dead.

Charlie Sheen is as correct as Dubya. It's silly to think that this administration is being honest about this. Just as silly to think that Charlie came up wit hte right answer.

The truth is some where in between and it's not pretty.

This one is still being belived by the sheep

"The most far flung unbelievable story ever told talks about parting seas, virgins giving birth and people rising from the dead."

aHosting · 03-26-2006, 07:02 AM

http://webfairy.org/pentagon/index.html

NO Plane Hit the Pentagon.

Phoenix · 03-26-2006, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SwordFish

I bet when bin laden and his fanatic followers planned and pulled this off, never in a million years did they think the morons of this world would ever come up with such an idiotic conspiracy theory, and actually get people to buy into it.

If you made up the most far flung unbelievable story ever told, it wouldn't be as far fetched as you sheep with your conspiracy theory that the US government pulled off 911.

I guess they also faked the videotaped confession of bin laden where he is explaining to other clerics how they planned it and how excited they were that it worked too.

you mean the one where the left handed bin laden signs his confession letter on camera signign it with his right hand? also the one where he is wearing gold and jewellry expressly forbidden by his religion

is that the confession tape you are talking about

Phoenix · 03-26-2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion

To those that believe there was a 9/11 coverup..I ask three questions:

1)Why?
2)Who?
3)How?

why? money and power...east to control the people if you control the laws ans the money...also there were many investigations into the bush family and many of their friends being done inside building 7..they were getting close to laying charges

2 MArvin bush is most likely the trigger man..but i suspect the entire family is behind it

3..you already know how....MArvin bush has an elite security force loyal to the death...real soldiers that dont give in when times get tough

Linkster · 03-26-2006, 07:23 AM

The most telling story out there would be the actual radio transmissions of the fireman inside the towers fighting the "two little pockets of fire" with no problems right on the floor where the plane hit - of course they had no idea the building was getting ready to collapse because there was no huge inferno as has always been put out in the official stories - its a damn shame when the people in the NYFD are even asking WTF? Why arent we doing a full fire investigation like we would for a house fire?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wt...efighters.html

RF_Erick · 03-26-2006, 07:37 AM

Why did they hawl away all the evidence of this countries biggest crime scene and ship it to china for melting without doing any investigation on any part of it. Why where satellites picking up thermal hot spots on the grounds of WTC many days after the collapse?
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-...ermal.r09.html

stickyfingerz · 03-26-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

The most telling story out there would be the actual radio transmissions of the fireman inside the towers fighting the "two little pockets of fire" with no problems right on the floor where the plane hit - of course they had no idea the building was getting ready to collapse because there was no huge inferno as has always been put out in the official stories - its a damn shame when the people in the NYFD are even asking WTF? Why arent we doing a full fire investigation like we would for a house fire?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wt...efighters.html

Ya thats why people jumped out the windows to their deaths. To get away from 2 little pockets of fire... Oh wait let me guess the Government put people in there with guns and told them to jump 50 stories to the pavement... Fuckin idiot.

Theo · 03-26-2006, 08:02 AM

Believe whatever you want. This doesn't alter what really happened and that a group of criminals rapidly taking over americans and non-americans freedoms by murdering innocent ppl.

I stopped believing that there are so many narrow-minded ppl. Their weak personality cannot handle the truth and consciously accept lies, makes them feel better and not risk their current positions. Also I don't except from the vast majority of journalists to treat this subject with the seriousness it deserves. I read the comments on C. Sheen interview by many media and there's an ongoing attack against him by reffering to prostitutes and other ridiculous things to remove focus on the real issue. Several of these articles like the one of Boston Herarld come with no author name. No suprise.

stickyfingerz · 03-26-2006, 08:02 AM

Maybe have a look at this.

911

stickyfingerz · 03-26-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Maybe have a look at this.

911

After you watch that can you honestly think our own government would do that? Fuckin idiots.

Theo · 03-26-2006, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

After you watch that can you honestly think our own government would do that? Fuckin idiots.

Believe whatever you want to believe. The constitution, ideas and principles alone do not mean shit. All it matters are the actions upon them.

RF_Erick · 03-26-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

After you watch that can you honestly think our own government would do that? Fuckin idiots.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Ya I honestly do believe.

stickyfingerz · 03-26-2006, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Believe whatever you want to believe. The constitution, ideas and principles alone do not mean shit. All it matters are the actions upon them.

Its only due to empathy that people are thinking the way they are now. The wackos guess there has been enough time to start trying to twist around what really happen, cause people forget. Its pathetic.

stickyfingerz · 03-26-2006, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Ya I honestly do believe.

Wow if you believe anything on that page you better go buy some more foil...

dissipate · 03-26-2006, 08:30 AM

I was the second gunman on the grassy nole

minusonebit · 03-26-2006, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

After you watch that can you honestly think our own government would do that? Fuckin idiots.

No, the government would never do anything to hurt us.

Theo · 03-26-2006, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Its only due to empathy that people are thinking the way they are now. The wackos guess there has been enough time to start trying to twist around what really happen, cause people forget. Its pathetic.

what empathy? Do you have anything better because those that tried to fly this to my face in 2001 they all miserable failed. I'll remind you another greek word: apathy and that's more pathetic my friend.

Platinum Dave · 03-26-2006, 08:42 AM

That's crazy...

ronbotx · 03-26-2006, 09:13 AM

From Popular Mechanics

WTC 7 Collapse
CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse

ronbotx · 03-26-2006, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aHosting

http://webfairy.org/pentagon/index.html

NO Plane Hit the Pentagon.

Sigh... how many times do we have to over this. Photos and comment are all sourced fro easy verification

Aircraft components found, body parts found, and black box found. GFY has degraded into a moonbat convention

Flight 77 Debris
CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon?s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=6&c=y

Theo · 03-26-2006, 09:35 AM

Kilsheimer is a contractor for the US Defense Department. Do a research on this.

Key-phrase "arrived first"

RF_Erick · 03-26-2006, 09:39 AM

Lets not forget who runs popular mechanics
Ben Chertoff cousin of Micheal Chertoff.

Scootermuze · 03-26-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I do know i have seen lots of buildings collapse from fire , and they dont fall straight down, one side collapses and ther building falls that direction. and i know what i saw on the video looks just like a demo building.. thats all i know .. until someone qualified tells me differently.

There have been numerous high rise fires where they burned for hours and hours, on numerous floors and they didn't even hint of falling.. let alone a free fall.. Too many demo experts and physicists have said there's no way the buildings came down from fire.. These are the people that work directly with such structures.. Much more qualified than any of us on GFY to argue either way..
Anyone versed in physics and thermodynamics need only watch the buildings fall to see that they were freefalls with no stagger or hesitation..
Steel framed buildings cannot fall in that manner without assistance..
There were melted gerters.. Jet fuel does not burn near hot enough to melt steel... and on and on... But materials used in demolitions do detinate at a temperature that will melt steel...
Last I heard, 2+2=4..

ronbotx · 03-26-2006, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Kilsheimer is a contractor for the US Defense Department. Do a research on this.

Key-phrase "arrived first"

So they shipped in plane parts, a black box, human body parts.....and killed all the passengers on original flight , and stole the plane from American Airlines..... and got ALL the government employees and contracters to lie about it.

Uh -huh.. God where is chksht today??? We need another "expert" of the stature of Charlie Sheen

Sexxxy Sites · 03-26-2006, 09:42 AM

Please read the thread titled "For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists" posted by Sexxxy Sites.

Greg B · 03-26-2006, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centurion

To those that believe there was a 9/11 coverup..I ask three questions:

1)Why?
2)Who?
3)How?

1) Money and Power
2) Psychotics obviously
3) With planes and trains and automobiles

Here's the deal the government couldn't have pulled this off. I think Bush and Cheney had no fucking clue this shit would happen and they're scared to fucking beans about whom to trust anymore. They know some Americans and foreigners were in cahoots to pull this off and they still don't know whom to trust. They don't know if they can trust one another. They're fucking scared, under the gun and are doing what they're told by a hidden group of control freaks who are out to steal and fuck us over.

The U.S. politicians are up against the wall trying to appease these global agendas and they engage in these outrageously obvious actions because they have to or there is retribution. It's gangster shit on a global fucking scale.

Just look at the drug trade. It hasn't diminished one i-fucking-ota since the global security measures of the past 6 years have been in place. Heroin is 7 times it's production level and 2/3 drop in price. What the fuck does it take to wake some assholes up that we're being conned by criminals within and without our government?

Sheesh!

Theo · 03-26-2006, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronbotx

So they shipped in plane parts, a black box, human body parts.....and killed all the passengers on original flight , and stole the plane from American Airlines..... and got ALL the government employees and contracters to lie about it.

Uh -huh.. God where is chksht today??? We need another "expert" of the stature of Charlie Sheen

Did i tell you there was no plane? What I told you was that the first engineer arrived in the scene was the CEO of a corp. taking projects by the US Deference Dept.

Laugh all you want.

Scootermuze · 03-26-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Sigh... how many times do we have to over this. Photos and comment are all sourced fro easy verification

AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon?s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS

Good lord!! That little photo has popped up everywhere to 'prove' it was a 757.. One little piece of metal? That's all that was left of a 757?
Wing marks on the building? Uhh.. Wings shear off when striking a solid object.. not fold up to enter small holes... not burn and leave no trace of their existence...
It's been proven that it was placed there... It wasn't from a 757.. wasn't even the color of a 757..

Theo · 03-26-2006, 09:52 AM

A reminder for you, the info containing on black box has not released to public till this day. They got a 5 good years to manipulate everything, so I won't be suprised if that happens in the near future.

Sexxxy Sites · 03-26-2006, 09:56 AM

For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists

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Bottom line the President did not have to have a 9/11 to engage our military in Afhganistan or Iraq.

MediaGuy · 03-26-2006, 09:59 AM

It's frustrating to click a link and end up on the site tho not the story...

But Charlie Sheen is helping seed doubt in the public's mind? Good.

Anyone who thinks Bin Laden blew up the world trade center watches too much CNN.

ronbotx · 03-26-2006, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RF_Erick

Lets not forget who runs popular mechanics
Ben Chertoff cousin of Micheal Chertoff.

Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Micheal was one of several contributors to the article, .... James B. Meigs is editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics.

Scootermuze · 03-26-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

So they shipped in plane parts, a black box, human body parts.....and killed all the passengers on original flight , and stole the plane from American Airlines..... and got ALL the government employees and contracters to lie about it.

Uh -huh.. God where is chksht today??? We need another "expert" of the stature of Charlie Sheen

Hmm.. one person said they saw these things? So where's the black box? Who were the passengers? What plane parts? One little piece?
Oh.. the single 2.5' turbine that was found? The 2 turbines on a 757 are like 10'
They played the hell out of the so called black box recording found on the plane that went down in PA. .. why haven't they done the same with this one?

Ya want experts? Go here

comeplay · 03-26-2006, 11:19 AM

I find it odd that within minutes of the "crash" into the pentagon secret service was there at a parking garage within view of it to confiscate all the video tapes yet none of them have been shows on any news broadcasts or anything as proof that a huge ass airplane went over. The only thing that has been leaked was a small narrow QUICK flash of color wizzing by some hotel camera a few blocks away but it clearly wasn't a plane it was more then likely a missle.

wonton · 03-26-2006, 12:01 PM

Read this 696 page, impeccably researched book, and you will understand how 911 was carried out and how the world REALLY works from a geopolitical perspective. Until that time, whether you are pro-conspiracy or anti-conspiracy, you are just pissing in the wind:

CROSSING THE RUBICON by Michael C. Ruppert

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...lance&n=283155

ForteCash · 03-26-2006, 12:08 PM

NOOOOOOOOO! Bin Laden did it you terrorist supporters!!!

RF_Erick · 03-26-2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonton

Read this 696 page, impeccably researched book, and you will understand how 911 was carried out and how the world REALLY works from a geopolitical perspective. Until that time, whether you are pro-conspiracy or anti-conspiracy, you are just pissing in the wind:

CROSSING THE RUBICON by Michael C. Ruppert

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...lance&n=283155

Excellent book!

phantasmo99 · 03-26-2006, 02:54 PM

Charlie Sheen believes it! I guess that means its true!

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03-26-2006, 07:02 AM	#64
aHosting Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Greece Posts: 250	http://webfairy.org/pentagon/index.html NO Plane Hit the Pentagon. __________________ Need Traffic? We Have it ALL! Resellers Welcome! ICQ: 70-663-643

03-26-2006, 07:23 AM	#67
Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	The most telling story out there would be the actual radio transmissions of the fireman inside the towers fighting the "two little pockets of fire" with no problems right on the floor where the plane hit - of course they had no idea the building was getting ready to collapse because there was no huge inferno as has always been put out in the official stories - its a damn shame when the people in the NYFD are even asking WTF? Why arent we doing a full fire investigation like we would for a house fire? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wt...efighters.html __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

03-26-2006, 07:37 AM	#68
RF_Erick Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md Posts: 946	Why did they hawl away all the evidence of this countries biggest crime scene and ship it to china for melting without doing any investigation on any part of it. Why where satellites picking up thermal hot spots on the grounds of WTC many days after the collapse? http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-...ermal.r09.html __________________ Exclusive Reality Feeds - [email protected] - ICQ: 4144516

03-26-2006, 08:02 AM	#70
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Believe whatever you want. This doesn't alter what really happened and that a group of criminals rapidly taking over americans and non-americans freedoms by murdering innocent ppl. I stopped believing that there are so many narrow-minded ppl. Their weak personality cannot handle the truth and consciously accept lies, makes them feel better and not risk their current positions. Also I don't except from the vast majority of journalists to treat this subject with the seriousness it deserves. I read the comments on C. Sheen interview by many media and there's an ongoing attack against him by reffering to prostitutes and other ridiculous things to remove focus on the real issue. Several of these articles like the one of Boston Herarld come with no author name. No suprise.

03-26-2006, 08:02 AM	#71
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Maybe have a look at this. 911

03-26-2006, 08:30 AM	#77
dissipate The Dirty Frenchman Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 8,904	I was the second gunman on the grassy nole

03-26-2006, 08:42 AM	#80
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03-26-2006, 09:13 AM	#81
ronbotx Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,634	From Popular Mechanics WTC 7 Collapse CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one." FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse. According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down." There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities. Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time." WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse

03-26-2006, 09:35 AM	#83
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Kilsheimer is a contractor for the US Defense Department. Do a research on this. Key-phrase "arrived first"

03-26-2006, 09:39 AM	#84
RF_Erick Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md Posts: 946	Lets not forget who runs popular mechanics Ben Chertoff cousin of Micheal Chertoff. __________________ Exclusive Reality Feeds - [email protected] - ICQ: 4144516

03-26-2006, 09:42 AM	#87
Sexxxy Sites Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 851	Please read the thread titled "For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists" posted by Sexxxy Sites.

03-26-2006, 09:52 AM	#91
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	A reminder for you, the info containing on black box has not released to public till this day. They got a 5 good years to manipulate everything, so I won't be suprised if that happens in the near future.

03-26-2006, 09:56 AM	#92
Sexxxy Sites Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 851	For all of you 9/11 conspiracy theorists -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That believe the President ordered the attacks so that he could use our military, are you not aware that under the laws of the US and Constitution the President of the United States can order the use of our military to invade any country of his choosing, at any time that he chooses, for any reason that he chooses, without the approval of the Congress or the American people or anyone in the world and without the notification of same except that he must notify the Congress within ninety days from the time that he ordered the use of our military. Bottom line the President did not have to have a 9/11 to engage our military in Afhganistan or Iraq.

03-26-2006, 09:59 AM	#93
MediaGuy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Montrealquebecanada Posts: 5,500	It's frustrating to click a link and end up on the site tho not the story... But Charlie Sheen is helping seed doubt in the public's mind? Good. Anyone who thinks Bin Laden blew up the world trade center watches too much CNN. __________________ YOU Are Industry News! Press Releases: pr[at]payoutmag.com Facebook: Payout Magazine! Facebook: MIKEB! ICQ: 248843947 Skype: Mediaguy1

03-26-2006, 11:19 AM	#96
comeplay Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Washington DC Posts: 1,435	I find it odd that within minutes of the "crash" into the pentagon secret service was there at a parking garage within view of it to confiscate all the video tapes yet none of them have been shows on any news broadcasts or anything as proof that a huge ass airplane went over. The only thing that has been leaked was a small narrow QUICK flash of color wizzing by some hotel camera a few blocks away but it clearly wasn't a plane it was more then likely a missle. __________________ Top virtual hosts for under 10$? www.hostmylife.com \| icq 50663030

03-26-2006, 12:01 PM	#97
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Read this 696 page, impeccably researched book, and you will understand how 911 was carried out and how the world REALLY works from a geopolitical perspective. Until that time, whether you are pro-conspiracy or anti-conspiracy, you are just pissing in the wind: CROSSING THE RUBICON by Michael C. Ruppert http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/086...lance&n=283155

03-26-2006, 12:08 PM	#98
ForteCash Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 3,278	NOOOOOOOOO! Bin Laden did it you terrorist supporters!!! __________________ NO PILLS - NO EXPENSIVE STRETCHERS - JUST REAL EXERCISES THAT WORK! "Upsell Your Members The Top Penis Enlargement Site!" Link Exchanges & Traffic Trades www.penilefitness.com/links/ ICQ: 63935693 $50 per trial with www.ForteCash.com

03-26-2006, 02:54 PM	#100
phantasmo99 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 75	Charlie Sheen believes it! I guess that means its true!