Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

for those newbs who dont know... Ibill was built on spam and fraud. most of its business came from the spammers they supported. a large bulk of the spam was to questionable sites which converted best.. zoo sites, scat etc. by "supported" i mean flying around the world to meet them, giving out their e-mail databases to that group of people, allowing us to create our own master accounts and sub accounts on the fly, covering up for spammers on messageboards (pre-2000) when people were really in shock and awe that someone would spam an adult site by replying to those people who used to love posting on the boards "Ibill account xxxxxxxx is spamming... here is the text/mail/links"... where they would "terminate" that account and post about it publically by responding with crap like "thanks for the heads up, his account has been terminated" ... while the money was always in the master account and it was only a subaccount that was termininated.. yet we could create unlimited sub accounts through thier system. people got fucked hard by Paul Vixie (i think that was his name) when they blacklisted all IBill IP's because of the spam that was going on, they got fucked with 900 numbers... they have got fucked again and again by people not getting paid. i doubt it was a viable business when it was sold. it was nothing more than a processing clearing house for spammers and scammers. once spam got harder, the company was sold and the buyers were apparently not scammers... just idiots.

if you believe in this company and their ability to pull through after all you have seen and know... then you deserve to lose your money.

Originally Posted by DAVESNOTHERE

8. segpay is essentially ibill without the debt. their prime players over at segpay, namely cathy beardsley, whom your humble author of this post has never met, is in charge over there. she and the others that run that joint are the real crooks that took off with your money. You see, ibill was once huge. but to pay for their huge houses, expensive cars, coke habits etc..they kept borrowing against YOUR money a month in advance. and they kept doing that to pay their humoungus salaries. well, they kept "paying themselves forward" that it finally caught up to them after 6 months to a year, and BOOM-their 43million in debt. there were just simple sales people, not executives or management or anything like that, bringing in $300,000 a year. thats $25,000 a month just to sign your account up. but segpay is this new, honest company! ya right.

Originally Posted by willow

I agree with half of that.

Maybe someone who actually knows can give the full story, I won't be holding my breath. For me it looks like Chris Williams who got iBill a merchant account years ago in the EU and a few people, one who used to work in the tech department and one manager, are working at SegPay.

You could look at it as they stole all the money from iBill and setup a new billing company, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and it would paint a big target on them if true. I doubt any of them were in a position to be able to do that.

Maybe I'll call them in the morning, maybe they'll post here. Maybe people can do their own homework. Maybe it's all true and they're scamming bastards.

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Originally Posted by willow

I agree with half of that.

Maybe someone who actually knows can give the full story, I won't be holding my breath. For me it looks like Chris Williams who got iBill a merchant account years ago in the EU and a few people, one who used to work in the tech department and one manager, are working at SegPay.

You could look at it as they stole all the money from iBill and setup a new billing company, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and it would paint a big target on them if true. I doubt any of them were in a position to be able to do that.

Maybe I'll call them in the morning, maybe they'll post here. Maybe people can do their own homework. Maybe it's all true and they're scamming bastards.

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Here's :2 cents:

Go invest in a fucking clue.

Originally Posted by willow

Just to think, if you'd picked a better billing company you'd have more than 2 cents to give away.

Originally Posted by willow

Just to think, if you'd picked a better billing company you'd have more than 2 cents to give away.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

I was wonderin' how long before Imageman would get around to postin' my favorite iBalls logo. :1orglaugh

:thumbsup

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

So...you're insinuating its the fault of iBill clients who "picked them" - that we all got ripped off?

As for a "better billing company" - many others here on GFY will agree that iBill was quite good for many years...up until Sept/'04.

Fact of the matter is - we're among the very lucky few who were paid in full - long after Sept/'04. But not before they bounced a large cheque which caused us further delay and headaches.

But you can keep extolling the virtues of iBall, dispensing your revisionist history and erroneous and misinformed rhetoric. Those of us who have been there/done that and have kept up with current events know the score.

Originally Posted by willow

Yeah, it's your fault you picked a scamming piece o' crap company and didn't do your homework. Anyone who doesn't understand what 'high risk' processing means deserves everything they get. You are lucky you got anything at all.

Originally Posted by willow

'Quite Good'...Really? The only thing you could ever say about them is that they always paid on time, and now not even that. You give them more praise than I ever did.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

Can't blame the victim for the crime.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your opinion says all we need to know about you.

Originally Posted by mackey

I find it kinda interesting that a lot of former ibill employees are now posting up.

Originally Posted by willow

But when the icebergs are on the horizon, most sensible people would launch a liferaft.

Originally Posted by webspider

Bump this.... up and to hell.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Was wondering when the "former employees" would come on here disclosing the 'real truth' and arguing amongst themselves about where the 'real blame lies".

I'm surprised it took this long.


Personally I don't think I would want to tell anyone if I was one of Ibill's former employees. These days I think most who used to process with them and their affiliates (let's not forget the affiliates) see all who were or are involved with Ibill as highly suspect. If that's the case (and I think that it is) I can't say as I blame them. I'm surprised people haven't gone to jail over this mess yet.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I have been on here for quite sometime telling the truth about what happened. I have NO SHAME in telling people I used to work at iBill. I was there early on and I know alot of people made alot of money with iBill.

Like 95% of the people at iBill, I was not in an executive level position and had nothing to do with any of the decisions that were made. I was not in a client facing position and never lied, stole, or cheated a soul. When I got totally fed up with the bullshit, I quit.

You are anyone else want to hold that against me, thats your choice. It just shows me how shallow and ignorant you are and that you would not be someone I would want to be involved with either.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Well said. :thumbsup

If anything, your former insider input and insight has been interesting and useful over the last while. Rather than chastise you...others should be more appreciative that you're willing to share your experiences and what you know about iBull.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I have been on here for quite sometime telling the truth about what happened. I have NO SHAME in telling people I used to work at iBill. I was there early on and I know alot of people made alot of money with iBill.

Like 95% of the people at iBill, I was not in an executive level position and had nothing to do with any of the decisions that were made. I was not in a client facing position and never lied, stole, or cheated a soul. When I got totally fed up with the bullshit, I quit.

You are anyone else want to hold that against me, thats your choice. It just shows me how shallow and ignorant you are and that you would not be someone I would want to be involved with either.

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Well said. :thumbsup

If anything, your former insider input and insight has been interesting and useful over the last while. Rather than chastise you...others should be more appreciative that you're willing to share your experiences and what you know about iBull.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

I don't know who you are but you have NO idea what you are talking about regarding this one. As a former iBill employee myself, one that was there for the rise and the fall, I know the REAL deal. Cathy had nothing to do with what happened at the end. You don't know shit. Cathy was let go when Intercept took over and brought their management team. She came back at the very end, after the damage was done to try and save a sinking ship.

The only other management person at SegPay is Chris Williams, who also had nothing to do with the mismanagement of iBill. In fact, he was only involved with iBill EU.

Before you spew you fucking bullshit, know what the fuck you are talking about. Or at least make sure there isn't someone else who actually does know the facts.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Is that so?

Acting like there's some surprise that there is some animosity and anger out there over this issue is what's ignorant my friend. Think about it. It's also a form of shallow thinking to get defensive over what I said. It in fact wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that some people might hold ibill and ANYONE affiliated with them as suspect.

All I said was that personally I would not want it known if I had been employed by them, that's all. It's your right to take exception to that of course, but I think you're being a tad oversensitive about it. If you're so innocent then why the need to get all defensive?

Originally Posted by 363R

This man speaks the truth.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

CD, I'm not getting defensive and I have never come on here and posted things I couldn't back up with evidence. There is no surprise at the animosity over this issue and I never showed surprise. In fact, I have as much animosity over this as anyone.

What you need to understand and realize is that there was over 300 people at iBill. Most of them worked their asses off for clients and as a result of that hard work alot of people made a lot of money. Out of the 300 employees, maybe a handful had any authority in making decisions at the level that impacted what happened. To hold anyone who worked there, regardless of what they did suspect is what is ignorant to me friend.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

My comment about people needing to go to jail wasn't directed at employees of ibill. Apologies, I should have made that clearer in my post.


Also, I never said I personally felt that way, I only said I wouldn't be surprised if some people did. When there is this much money on the line, where so many are owed, many whose lives and businesses were hurt badly or downright ruined over it.... well, there's bound to be some ill feelings over all things ibill. That's pretty much all I meant.

In light of that your need to not only set things straight where you are concerned but also hit back at me struck me as... odd.

Originally Posted by MacDaddyPlaya

No worries, didn't mean to hit back at you, just trying to set the record straight.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I hope you can also respect those in my position. It is difficult to judge just who is being on the level and factual and who is being spiteful and spreading misinformation.... and whose posts are marbled with a bit of both.

It's hard to know what or who to believe in cases like this.

The ongoing story is interesting to watch though.