Why I think free sites that jerk surfers around are good for this industry - GoFuckYourself.com

vidsweb · 04-26-2002, 03:07 PM

I used to really hate all those free sites that have things like:

-blind links to pop-ups and/or other sites

-CJ sites

-sites that try to change your default homepage

-etc...

But after some thinking, I came to the conclusion that its probably actually good for overall sales to pay-sites.

Here is why: surfers get so tired of being fucked around, that they finally decide they can't take it anymore and they whip out the credit card and join a pay-site where they know they won't have to put up with all the shit.

I don't run any of these sites that jerk the surfers around, and I still hate it when I run into them on my own journeys for free porn, but I have a new appreciation for them now.

What do you guys think?

klik · 04-26-2002, 03:12 PM

if it makes me money... fuck the free surfer.

GettingPorn · 04-26-2002, 03:12 PM

That is true.

That is also the reason why bad (design) galleries/free sites convert better than the real good ones.

davvve · 04-26-2002, 03:14 PM

Yeah, it makes sense.
Lets turn all TGPs into CJs - and conversions will go up.

vidsweb · 04-26-2002, 03:18 PM

No, I don't think all TGPs should switch to being CJ sites. We still need TGPs to work as a market for advertising pay-sites, but surfers often get sidetracked into the realm of CJ sites and I'm sure it annoys them.

As long as they realize that getting good free porn is more difficult then just paying for it, I'm happy.

Brian911 · 04-26-2002, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davvve
Yeah, it makes sense.
Lets turn all TGPs into CJs - and conversions will go up.

CJ->CJ2->TGP->CJ

yeah, it makes sense indeed

endless boring discussions.. back to work

hyper · 04-26-2002, 04:01 PM

TGPJ

FlyingIguana · 04-26-2002, 04:03 PM

if u fuck the surfer around they'll say fuck it and look for alternatives to websites.

i can see not giving them too much, hit em with blind links, some consoles, but don't overdo it. if the surfer closes his broswer or it crashes i don't think u made much money.

what i do on my surfer trap and cj sites is, if they don't click a trade, sponsor or to my content i nail em with a pop up. the closer they are to my content when they leave without clicking something, the more aggressive the pop up, or chain of pop ups(max 2). worst case send the fucker to a toplist on the last pop up to get a fresh surfer.

Lev · 04-26-2002, 04:06 PM

nothing in this world is free, so why should porn be

XXXManager · 04-26-2002, 07:11 PM

Lev - not true
If I learned something here on GFY board is - that there are 2 free things in live.

Hate - as the board shows relentlessly
AND
GFY shirt - though I've never seen one in real life (so maybe its all a fiction)

Now - I can see smartass jumpin up shouting "LOVE!!!... Not only hate - Love is also free!".
BullShit
Gimme-a-break - Love costs $200/night - goodlookin love I mean

Amputate Your Head · 04-26-2002, 07:15 PM

fuck the surfers.... make them pay.

FATPad · 04-26-2002, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XXXManager
Lev - not true
If I learned something here on GFY board is - that there are 2 free things in live.

Hate - as the board shows relentlessly
AND
GFY shirt - though I've never seen one in real life (so maybe its all a fiction)

Now - I can see smartass jumpin up shouting "LOVE!!!... Not only hate - Love is also free!".
BullShit
Gimme-a-break - Love costs $200/night - goodlookin love I mean

The GFY shirt is real, dude.

DTK · 04-26-2002, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
fuck the surfers.... make them pay.

Truer words never spoken!

vidsweb · 04-26-2002, 07:54 PM

Yeah, if they're not willing to pay for porn, then you're not under any obligation to provide free porn. So jerk 'em around good!

Forkbeard · 04-27-2002, 02:35 AM

Quote:

surfers get so tired of being fucked around, that they finally decide they can't take it anymore and they whip out the credit card and join a pay-site where they know they won't have to put up with all the shit.

I disagree. Everybody says the newbie surfer is the one that you want. Yet I know a TON of people who say "I got on this porn site on the internet and it took control of/crashed my browser -- I'm never gonna look at porn on the internet again."

Every time one of you brilliant marketers does this to a new curious would-be porn surfer, you guarantee that person will NEVER whip out his credit card.

Plus, you forget that what's good for the industry as a whole may not be good for YOU personally -- and I defy any of you to name another industry where abusing the customer who hasn't asked for that is good business.

Doctor Dre · 04-27-2002, 03:43 AM

I think we should send bookmark tgp traffic to cj after same ip come that many times on the site ... or something like that ... that'd be working well

RaGe · 04-27-2002, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forkbeard

I disagree. Everybody says the newbie surfer is the one that you want. Yet I know a TON of people who say "I got on this porn site on the internet and it took control of/crashed my browser -- I'm never gonna look at porn on the internet again."

Every time one of you brilliant marketers does this to a new curious would-be porn surfer, you guarantee that person will NEVER whip out his credit card.

Plus, you forget that what's good for the industry as a whole may not be good for YOU personally -- and I defy any of you to name another industry where abusing the customer who hasn't asked for that is good business.

I disagree.. he's just mad at that moment. He'll get horny again, he'll surf for porn again, and if he encounters another CJ and gets mad, but once again, he'll come back looking for other stuff because people are always horny

Eventually, if he gets tired of it, he may just think 'fuck it, I'm joining this site'..

Anyway, I think there's a better chance of a surfer getting mad at the mass consoles, giving up and joining a paysite than of him finding a big TGP with more porn than he could ever view and deciding to join a paysite anyway for even more porn.. he's going to keep coming back looking for porn, if CJ sites convince him the only way to get it is by whipping out the CC, he eventually will I think.. or just eventually find a TGP ;)

Sorry if the post doesn't make much sense, I havn't slept in like 30 hours

But I hope you understand what I'm trying to say at least.

Forkbeard · 04-27-2002, 11:28 AM

I understand, but I think y'all vastly overestimate how much the average surfer comprehends what's going on.

Joe Horndog does NOT understand the economics behind all the free porn on the net. To him, a porn site is a porn site. "Them places fuck up yer computer, man."

Pay sites don't look any better to a person who hasn't subscribed to one, either. A lot of 'em pop exit console hell if you try to leave their join page, and a lot of those consoles take you right back out into CJ hell.

You and I know that whipping out your credit card can make the pain stop, but Joe Horndog does not know that. And if he's the least little bit timid about computers, he's gonna get scared the first time a porn site makes him reboot and he's not gonna come back. We still got lotsa magazines and videotapes in this country, and no matter where he is he can order those offa Ebay without ever seeing a popup.

erotictrance · 04-27-2002, 11:30 AM

Well, in my experience, freeloaders are going to be freeloaders no matter what. I doubt they're going to pay no matter what you do to them ...

A lot of this also depends upon the quality of the traffic. If it's good, quality traffic then you also run the risk of alienating those who would pay ... but decide not to because you've jerked them around ...

If it's shit traffic then ... what the hell ... screw them, although I doubt the conversions will be any good ...

Amputate Your Head · 04-27-2002, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by erotictrance
Well, in my experience, freeloaders are going to be freeloaders no matter what. I doubt they're going to pay no matter what you do to them ...

this is true.... BUT.....

if you make them PAY for porn instead of giving the shit away for fucking free.... guess what? They'll have to pay to see it. They couldn't be freeloaders if there wasn't shit out there for them to get for free.

erotictrance · 04-27-2002, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

this is true.... BUT.....

if you make them PAY for porn instead of giving the shit away for fucking free.... guess what? They'll have to pay to see it. They couldn't be freeloaders if there wasn't shit out there for them to get for free.

Yeah ... I agree ...

BUT ... the reality is there's so much free stuff out there now for the hardcore freeloader .... he doesn't have to search very far for his free fix ...

Plus, a lot of them are willing to spend a lot of time chasing that free stuff ... just to avoid paying for anything ...

Hence the reason I don't think you really can force the hardcore freeloader to pay ... at least not in the current marketplace ...

Maybe it will be different five years from now ... but I think there's still an ample supply of free stuff out there right now ...

Amputate Your Head · 04-27-2002, 11:42 AM

give it away for free = shoot yourself in the balls.

erotictrance · 04-27-2002, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
give it away for free = shoot yourself in the balls.

Well ... that's only part of the problem ...

There's a bunch of webmasters who don't "give it away" ...

But they also don't implement basic security measures for their sites ...

And I'm talking about big webmasters as well as small who are hacked every single day ...

Hence the reason there's a million pirate boards where the average freeloader can get his daily fix and then some ...

There's a ton a free content on those pirate sites ... feeding the freeloaders day in and day out ...

Just one example of the "free" content that kills everybody's revenues ...

04-26-2002, 03:07 PM	#1
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	Why I think free sites that jerk surfers around are good for this industry I used to really hate all those free sites that have things like: -blind links to pop-ups and/or other sites -CJ sites -sites that try to change your default homepage -etc... But after some thinking, I came to the conclusion that its probably actually good for overall sales to pay-sites. Here is why: surfers get so tired of being fucked around, that they finally decide they can't take it anymore and they whip out the credit card and join a pay-site where they know they won't have to put up with all the shit. I don't run any of these sites that jerk the surfers around, and I still hate it when I run into them on my own journeys for free porn, but I have a new appreciation for them now. What do you guys think? __________________ Just give'r

04-26-2002, 03:12 PM	#3
GettingPorn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 87	That is true. That is also the reason why bad (design) galleries/free sites convert better than the real good ones. __________________

04-26-2002, 03:18 PM	#5
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	No, I don't think all TGPs should switch to being CJ sites. We still need TGPs to work as a market for advertising pay-sites, but surfers often get sidetracked into the realm of CJ sites and I'm sure it annoys them. As long as they realize that getting good free porn is more difficult then just paying for it, I'm happy. __________________ Just give'r

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hyper Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Ass Posts: 5,294	TGPJ __________________

04-26-2002, 07:54 PM	#14
vidsweb Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pornland Posts: 698	Yeah, if they're not willing to pay for porn, then you're not under any obligation to provide free porn. So jerk 'em around good! __________________ Just give'r

04-26-2002, 03:12 PM	#2
klik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: san diego Posts: 5,092	if it makes me money... fuck the free surfer.

04-26-2002, 03:14 PM	#4
davvve Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Europe / India Posts: 560	Yeah, it makes sense. Lets turn all TGPs into CJs - and conversions will go up.

04-26-2002, 04:03 PM	#8
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	if u fuck the surfer around they'll say fuck it and look for alternatives to websites. i can see not giving them too much, hit em with blind links, some consoles, but don't overdo it. if the surfer closes his broswer or it crashes i don't think u made much money. what i do on my surfer trap and cj sites is, if they don't click a trade, sponsor or to my content i nail em with a pop up. the closer they are to my content when they leave without clicking something, the more aggressive the pop up, or chain of pop ups(max 2). worst case send the fucker to a toplist on the last pop up to get a fresh surfer.

04-26-2002, 04:06 PM	#9
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	nothing in this world is free, so why should porn be

04-26-2002, 07:11 PM	#10
XXXManager So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy Posts: 893	Lev - not true If I learned something here on GFY board is - that there are 2 free things in live. Hate - as the board shows relentlessly AND GFY shirt - though I've never seen one in real life (so maybe its all a fiction) Now - I can see smartass jumpin up shouting "LOVE!!!... Not only hate - Love is also free!". BullShit Gimme-a-break - Love costs $200/night - goodlookin love I mean

04-26-2002, 07:15 PM	#11
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	fuck the surfers.... make them pay.

04-27-2002, 11:28 AM	#18
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	I understand, but I think y'all vastly overestimate how much the average surfer comprehends what's going on. Joe Horndog does NOT understand the economics behind all the free porn on the net. To him, a porn site is a porn site. "Them places fuck up yer computer, man." Pay sites don't look any better to a person who hasn't subscribed to one, either. A lot of 'em pop exit console hell if you try to leave their join page, and a lot of those consoles take you right back out into CJ hell. You and I know that whipping out your credit card can make the pain stop, but Joe Horndog does not know that. And if he's the least little bit timid about computers, he's gonna get scared the first time a porn site makes him reboot and he's not gonna come back. We still got lotsa magazines and videotapes in this country, and no matter where he is he can order those offa Ebay without ever seeing a popup.

04-27-2002, 11:30 AM	#19
erotictrance Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 328	Well, in my experience, freeloaders are going to be freeloaders no matter what. I doubt they're going to pay no matter what you do to them ... A lot of this also depends upon the quality of the traffic. If it's good, quality traffic then you also run the risk of alienating those who would pay ... but decide not to because you've jerked them around ... If it's shit traffic then ... what the hell ... screw them, although I doubt the conversions will be any good ... __________________ erotictrance

04-27-2002, 11:42 AM	#22
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	give it away for free = shoot yourself in the balls.