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this 22 year old russian kid I know owes $250,000 for a credit card scam that he did. hes got 2 kids too. bummer
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I affraid, that is only your personal opinion. But it's not the fact. Does anybody think the same way? |
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I don't have any kids.. I'm not talking about credit card scam.... ;( |
As for me, Russian WEBMASTERS are fine. But only if you're a very serious webmasters.
I've known lots of them and I guess I understand the problem. You see, the thing is that serious Russian webmaster is really worth having in program 'coz those guys really know what to do. Russian people is very poor people in general and the money these webmasters make is huge in that country. It keeps them working even harder. And those guys are really great. On the other hand - Russians are used to cheat from the beginning. There're exceptions just like in every rule but in general this is so. And every russian newbie in our biz who shows up tries to cheat. He understands that he cannot earn a thing after a while and if he's smart enough - he'll start serious hard work. But this is enough for all of us to think all russians cheat. This is why we accept Russians, but we always keep an eye on them and ask them to show there traffic sources and prove they own them before joining. These guys make good money for us and everybody's happy. But there few of honest ones anyways, I must admit :( :angel |
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that's the second right thing you told us, except that i'm russian. |
OK, then why don't you give me some examples of .org websites that are well respected money making businesses?
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You will realize that I'm correct about .org being a bad domain when you discover that you are not making any money and nobody will do business with you.
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We'll think about it. But at this moment I'm not sure we're going to change domains.... |
I know a couple quite a few russians really well, I have been to Moscow at least 20 times and I have spent quite some time in
Russia so I know there are good russians too.... I can name you a good russian webmaster....he runs www.germesia.com. The creator of brownie and tgbush. That does not change the fact that there are many russian cheaters. This does not mean that all russian people are bad. But a high percentage that has internet access is. I agree with you that it is very frustrating and it's a shame too because I can confirm that there are MANY really smart and good programmers in Russia. If you want to make it do fair business and gain "our" trust. I have never asked Germes for the reason but if you buy his software he will first install everything and after it's done you get the invoice... Many people use his software and all seem very happy with it, including me. So use it as an example that if you deliver a good product you can do good business....but yes you probably have to work a bit harder then western people to gain initial trust but once you have proven yourself there won't be too many problem I think.... DynaMite :2 cents: |
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Because it's useless to proove anything before we get some partner with a high quality traffic in our affiliate program! So, you're all welcome! JUST TRY IT OUT and you won't regret about it! As I previously mentioned we don't have exact cash out dates, we can make a cash out at any moment on your request. But of course we'll charge a few dollars for money transfer, so it useless to cash out a few bucks. |
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As long as 90% of the owners from the pre-teen sites are from your region my trust is not verry high. Why these sites are not hostet in Russia but in the US ? I don't know the most WM's here are complaining about cheating but I'm complaining about something much worse. We all cry about CP and chear if one gets busted because of CP, but no one is refering to all these Lolita and pre-teen sites which sell "Artistic Nudity". :ak47: |
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And the second.. Laws are very different everywhere. Somewhere the whole pornography and even erotica - is under the law.. So... But, i don't wanna say something good about lolita webmasters, I think the same about them.. But :( What can I do about it. Actualy, we are not even in an adult business. Sextraffic, is the only our adult project. Everything else has nothing in common with adult buisness. |
ELK, look at the bright side...this thread might just win you a DVD :)
Kidding aside, though, if I had any exit traffic I'd have signed up with you, I believe in giving people a chance before judging. Unfortunately I hardly even have enter traffic. |
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DVD player or DVD recorder or DVD disc ???? :) Heh... Well... It's sad that you don't have any exit traffic. Since we don't have an enter traffic now too ;( |
US has cheaters too. But in USA, cheater can be easily caught from its IP address. You can sue him!
But in russia, its not possible. We see lots of new & new CP paysites from russia. I'm sure CP paysite owner is making god damn money, but what about young girls? its easy to host illegal content in russia. ISPs only looking for money. No law restrictions. |
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ISP isn't only looking for money. And it's impossible to host illegal content in russia (by russian laws), and CP is not legal in Russia! So, someone said it right, russian CP sites are hosted in US!!!!!! It's much easier to find host for CP in US, than in Russia. |
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the law. And you know that is a fact in Russia and even if it is enforced then money can buy you out VERY easily. DynaMite |
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LOL ANYWAY, i've started this thread long time after sunday, so I have no chances :) And there's too many my own answers :((( So, I have to forget about DVD $(...... |
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There are violators everywhere, but that doesn't mean that we ignore the laws. Especialy concerning CP content. And it's not so easy to buy the law for a such a hard crime. It's just too hard to proove that someone is working on CP. We just have some problems with laws concerning the net. It's hard to proove anything.. But it doesn't mean that our laws doesn't work... |
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country has enormous problems to enforce them no matter which crime. The police is next to bankrupt, there is hardly any money for investigation. Police and judges make so little money that it is very easy to buy a ruling. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash on Russia or Russians. But those are simply the facts...and probably most russians feel even worse about the situation than foreigners do...They live with it. I don't make up these facts...they are there and I have witnessed some examples of it. The intentions and laws are there I know.. but having laws and to be able to enforce laws are 2 different things DynaMite :thumbsup |
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Until Russia improves their economical situation it will not change. |
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I want to tell you that you're right about Ukraine (95% of CP webmasters are from there) and may be some small towns, but it's totally wrong about Moscow. There's absolutely another situation. Law works perfectly here. You don't live here, so you don't know anything. All you know about Russia - is from TV or Internet, but you don't know about real situation. People in Moscow lives much better, than you think. |
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share information help eachother with international arrests. If I would have a problem with a Russian company it's virtualy impossible to get a lawsuit... If I have a problem with an US company I can go there press charges and have a lawsuit. I know this is a worse case scenario but I least you know that if the shit hits the can you can actually do something about it. DynaMite |
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So what else do you think our laws should fight with? |
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It showed the problems Russian police has to deal with and how easily it is to get corrupted when you are only paid 50 USD a month as police officer. You can't ignore the problems, they will not go away on its own. |
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Many affiliate programs are well known for nonpaying. And they are still alive. And they are not Russian! And, finally, no one asks you to give us 100 millions hits a week for a year, and then trying to charge earned money for us. You can check us in a week, if you really have a good traffic. |
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a lot of business with Russians. So maybe a year is not that much but I at least I know a little. I lived in a normal appartment amongst russian people. Like I said I don't want to make Russia or Russians look bad. I know that there is still propaganda on Western TV, etc, etc. But I have seen the Russian side aswell so I know what I say. DynaMite |
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And not only in Russia. I'm not talking about the fact that police corrupted much more in other russian cities, then in Moscow. Moscow is MUCH BETTER than any other russian city from this point of view. |
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But as I've previously said... Cheaters ARE EVERYWHERE. And that doesn't mean that we are all cheaters. You may be a bit more careful, making some deals with russians, but that doesn't mean you have to make no deals at all. Just trust us. We are not going to cheat anyone... |
The discussion is drifting away from it's topic. It's not about you,
businesses or individuals. You asked why some many people don't like to do business with Russian webmasters. Well some of these posts give reasons for that from our point of view....That's all. I'm not in the traffic selling business so no I will not try your company out....But that's NOT because you are Russian :thumbsup Like I said before I have done business with Russian webmasters and Russian companies and probably will do business again with them in the future...I was just giving you some reasons why a lot of people won't... DynaMite |
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As I can see, partly I was right. But not completely... Anyway, is there anyone who would like to try out our system? |
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I heard they were "removed", but where? No offense, this just really makes me sad... and wonder |
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Anyway, do you have any ideas - who are they? These "homeless kids"? They are still there, in the subway, on railway stations, and so on. BUT ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE MOSCOW CITIZENS! Most of them came from different small towns and even ex-ussr countries. They choosed such life themselves.. No one asked them to come here. |
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Because everybody saying - that Moscow is actualy absolutely <> Russia. It's another country. People in Moscow lives MUCH better than in any other russian city. That's why the whole our country don't like the people who live in Moscow. Because of that. |
ELK, stop this shit.
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Your close bro and Ron is way off.......It's 99% of all Russians that Cheat...:winkwink: But the reason a few don't is because they are still in cheat training school. They will soon don't worry......LOLOLOL |
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