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BusterBunny 02-28-2006 04:50 AM

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Claude 02-28-2006 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx
OMFG youre kidding right? 100k. Dude if youre selling that for 100k lmk cause Id love to sell dutchteencash to the same person then for say 5 million.

Gotta love them golddiggers.

Iīm not kidding. As someone say further down, if your site is doing 4 mil a year with little work and you have content, scripts ect. ect. I doubt you would let it go for less than 5 mil. That my opinion, and clearly you donīt share it - I can respect that.

Claude 02-28-2006 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
You are a funny guy. He's asking for barely over a year of revenue for a network with other things of value included and you think it's off the wall? If Dutch Teen Cash is making 4 million clear a year it would sell for 5 million pretty easily.

Agreed :thumbsup

Claude 02-28-2006 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TopBucksTrixxxia
Maybe it's cuz I just woke up - but am I the only one that remembers CybernetBucks.com? FuckingMachines.com and Hogtied.com - isn't that part of the program? Anyhow - I'm sure he'll get his price or extremely close to it.


Claude - whatever happened to Tony?

Trix, I will answer both of your posts here :-)

The sites you are mentioning are still part of the cybernetbucks network. I donīt run these sites (wish i did - they are the very best of the best when it comes to bondage and fetish sites). Iīm just a lowly affiliate in cybernetbucks network. Iīm selling my network which as part of it, advertises for cybernetbucks. Cybernetbucks is a really good program and tony is always on the spot to answer questions. Payment comes like clockwork and I have never ever had anything but good things to say about them.

As for the sites you are asking about in the cybernetbucks network, I know that (And iīm sure that itīs OK to tell here, as most of it is already on their sites) they are redoing the a lot over there in SF. The new program will be called Kinks.com (or kink.com) as far as I have been told. (They should buy this package and use the bondagemoney.com domain as their aff. program in my opinion :1orglaugh - havenīt asked, maybe I should :1orglaugh )

They are doing a new site launching late March or early April called behindkink.com - it will be a documentary about the work they do, trying to affect the political situation surrounding the adult scene, especially the bondage scene.

If i got this wrong (about behind behindkink.com etc.) I hope Tony will correct me.

Cybernetbucks has a proven track record and they will only be going forward.

Claude 02-28-2006 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jokke
god luck claus ;). And congrats on the baby

Hi Jokke, itīs been awhile :-)
Thank you for the good wishes and the congratulation. You are probaly confused about me having a 6 year old daughter since itīs been years we last talked, but not that long. Iīm not the biological father, she is my wifeīs daughter and I have adopted her as my own.

Hansiiiiii - brings back memories :1orglaugh

Claude 02-28-2006 05:37 AM

Just to clear up any confusion:

1) I do not own or operate cybernetcucks - Ihahaha180;m an affiliate with the program and advertise their sites throughout my network

2) The revenue for Jan/feb is now slightly less than $16K as I got a few check today, meaning that the $7K/month i mentioned earlier is actually $8K

3) Ihahaha180;m not selling the package based on revenue alone, factors such as content, software, aff. database, domainname value should also be factored in.

4) I have had 3 people interested in paying 100K so far, Ihahaha180;m leaning toward a fellow citizen of my country, since we had contact and made stuff together years back. It would also be easier dealing with someone in my own country. That does not mean that anything has been closed yet.

Trixxxia 02-28-2006 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
Just to clear up any confusion:

1) I do not own or operate cybernetcucks - Ihahaha180;m an affiliate with the program and advertise their sites throughout my network

Ok Claude - this is what happens when I don't drink a few coffees before hitting GFY - this was just not adding up right :) It looked like you were selling the CybernetBucks.com domain too - heheheh Thanks for clearing that up and I've also forwarded this to a few affiliates the love promoting kinky stuff only. Bonne chance! :thumbsup

Violetta 02-28-2006 06:04 AM

Are you from skandinavia claude?

Claude 02-28-2006 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TopBucksTrixxxia
Ok Claude - this is what happens when I don't drink a few coffees before hitting GFY - this was just not adding up right :) It looked like you were selling the CybernetBucks.com domain too - heheheh Thanks for clearing that up and I've also forwarded this to a few affiliates the love promoting kinky stuff only. Bonne chance! :thumbsup

Please tell them to use the link in my sig when they sign up :)

Claude 02-28-2006 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky
Are you from skandinavia claude?

Yes, Denmark

Claude 02-28-2006 06:12 AM

Shuki, You got mail

The man from Boston regarding dating sites: You have mail

Mik, Ihahaha180;ll mail you back now. Let talk on the phone tonight - got your number

Tipsy 02-28-2006 06:18 AM

Always amuses in these threads that those laughing or attacking are the people who could never afford the asking price anyway and/or wouldn't know a deal if it hit them in the face. There are sometimes a few exceptions to that but they're rare and usually deserved i.e. the person concerned really is asking too much.

Seems to me that in this scenario the money asked isn't too excessive. The biggest problem is simply people often let established sites/networks go FAR too cheap, not that this guy is asking too much. I grabbed one recently for a teeny $800 and with a little bit of work it now makes that every 10 days or so. :) If only I could find more of those...

Downtime 02-28-2006 06:22 AM

Well good luck with the sale man, I hope it all goes well for you and it's definately worth more than fuckin $20k. But if I were you, if it truly only is 30 minutes of work/day for $7k/month, i'd hang on to it; it's worth it.

Claude 02-28-2006 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Downtime
Well good luck with the sale man, I hope it all goes well for you and it's definately worth more than fuckin $20k. But if I were you, if it truly only is 30 minutes of work/day for $7k/month, i'd hang on to it; it's worth it.

It truly is next to no work and offcourse iīm tempted to hold on to it. But, I would like to concentrate om my mainstream business and my family. The things i want to do with this is hanging over my head all the time and I canīt seem to let go of my ideas and what I could do with it. I have already posted more specific reasons for selling this.

To all the people with positive responses, thank you backing me up and seeing the clear value of this.

To all the naysayers, itīs your opinion and I can respect that. Fortunately a lot of people can see through that as see the real value of things.

Claude 02-28-2006 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy
Always amuses in these threads that those laughing or attacking are the people who could never afford the asking price anyway and/or wouldn't know a deal if it hit them in the face. There are sometimes a few exceptions to that but they're rare and usually deserved i.e. the person concerned really is asking too much.

Seems to me that in this scenario the money asked isn't too excessive. The biggest problem is simply people often let established sites/networks go FAR too cheap, not that this guy is asking too much. I grabbed one recently for a teeny $800 and with a little bit of work it now makes that every 10 days or so. :) If only I could find more of those...

Exactly, an established network that just needs a little love is gold for the right person. In this case itīs not just the earnings, but also the assets and the potential it has with a little love.

Claude 02-28-2006 06:37 AM

I have to leave for a few hours but ihahaha180;ll be back again soon.

justsexxx 02-28-2006 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
Serious as serious can be. Just because I donīt want to look my children in the eyes and tell them that I push porn, doesnīt mean that I should give this away.

I mean funny that you can't look them into the eyes with this job. Says a lot about you.

micker 02-28-2006 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
I made up my mind, I want to sell but for the right price and 20K is not the right price. That would be bloody stupid since the content alone is $15K factor in about 6 months of income and development that is already in the package, you start getting to the right price.

Not really, the content really doesnt come into consideration. It's a cost of staying open, if this were a retail store, it'd be the fixtures. Honestly, I've never bought an online business for more that 2 months revenue. Have fun with it!

chadglni 02-28-2006 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by micker
Not really, the content really doesnt come into consideration. It's a cost of staying open, if this were a retail store, it'd be the fixtures. Honestly, I've never bought an online business for more that 2 months revenue. Have fun with it!

Dumbass.

DutchTeenCash 02-28-2006 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
You are a funny guy. He's asking for barely over a year of revenue for a network with other things of value included and you think it's off the wall? If Dutch Teen Cash is making 4 million clear a year it would sell for 5 million pretty easily.

Hes asking over 12 times the monthly revenue. Without any history without a steady members base like cashprograms have. Without any details at all.

If this 7k is based on 2-3 aff accounts its riskier then hell. Hes gonna sell it for 25-30k max. Mark my word.

Fizzgig 02-28-2006 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
Serious as serious can be. Just because I donīt want to look my children in the eyes and tell them that I push porn, doesnīt mean that I should give this away.

I think when my children are 18 I'll have no problem telling them what I do, but I still have years to change my mind. You do what feels right for you.
:)

DutchTeenCash 02-28-2006 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
Dumbass.

youre good with 1 word lame replies arent you?

I could give you 10k worth of content thats worth maybe 1k nowadays. Theres zero information bout the content, what quality how old, what niche.

50 sets Aaronm isnt exactly 50 sets cheapasscontent.com.

But hey youre gonna reply with a lame reply anyhow, why do I bother.

Tipsy 02-28-2006 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micker
Not really, the content really doesnt come into consideration. It's a cost of staying open, if this were a retail store, it'd be the fixtures. Honestly, I've never bought an online business for more that 2 months revenue. Have fun with it!


What a stupid comment. Were it the 'fixtures' then you would most certainly be paying for them. NO retail store gives its stock and fixtures away when it's sold - it's all worked in to the price and the price obviously increases depending on the value of the fixtures etc. It also obviously does not mean that the content is worth what he paid for it now - however it can very much be taken into account.

Like you I tend to buy for a lot less but I know when I'm doing it that I'm practically stealing the site and it's why I don't own more as the real steals are hard to find. It doesn't mean this guy is asking more than his site is worth - it simply means I'm a cheap arse who only buys very cheap bargains.

slapass 02-28-2006 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
Exactly, an established network that just needs a little love is gold for the right person. In this case it's not just the earnings, but also the assets and the potential it has with a little love.

On the internet everything has potential. It is very hard to sell potential. I am sending an email but a heads up that my offer does nto take into account tons of work to make the income grow.

:winkwink:

darkwood 02-28-2006 08:22 AM

hit me up on icq 176992595

RogerV 02-28-2006 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx
aff share? so your nett turnover is 7123 minus 4274 aff share? meaning you did less then 3k nett in Jan 2006.

Am I right? Sorry dunno these stats so you gotta help me.

http://www.bizarcentral.com/jan06.jpg

If your serious contact him or stop wasting his time on the board..:2 cents:

chadglni 02-28-2006 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
youre good with 1 word lame replies arent you?

I could give you 10k worth of content thats worth maybe 1k nowadays. Theres zero information bout the content, what quality how old, what niche.

50 sets Aaronm isnt exactly 50 sets cheapasscontent.com.

But hey youre gonna reply with a lame reply anyhow, why do I bother.

Look I'm not arguing with your ignorant ass. You're the same dumbass that got pissed off when I told you that you had no idea what a blog was with your raggedy ass pic post excuse for promo material. He said if you wanted the info you're questioning to send him a fucking email, it's pretty obvious he wasn't going to post it here. If you want to buy it send a fucking email, if not quit shitting in his fucking thread.

butterflybucks 02-28-2006 08:51 AM

Because I've been in business for almost 7 years, I know and can prove that yearly revenue is the same year after year for some of my sites. I would never sell my entire empire for only 3 months revenue. Not even for 1 year revenue. So I think he's asking for a damn fair price!

Fabien 02-28-2006 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DynaSpain
You're looking for buyers in the wrong place......try Ebay :2 cents:


Claude, i've known you since the begining, trust me, this ain't the best place to sell your thing :Oh crap

I wish i had time and in need of new projects:mad:

Mr.P.

Violetta 02-28-2006 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabien
Claude, i've known you since the begining, trust me, this ain't the best place to sell your thing :Oh crap

There are SOME people that actually are doing business on this board!

Monk 02-28-2006 10:44 AM

just to clarify, the $7K per month is gross he said..... you shouldn't be using gross income when talking about what multiple he is selling for.

What if he has $6500 in expenses to get that $7000?

Manowar 02-28-2006 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Kevsh 02-28-2006 10:56 AM

If it made $7k net/month, plus the values of the domains, content, etc. then I don't think $100k would be completely unrealistic.

But all this bickering is pointless: This package is worth whatever someone will pay for it.

King Adam 02-28-2006 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by micker
Not really, the content really doesnt come into consideration. It's a cost of staying open, if this were a retail store, it'd be the fixtures. Honestly, I've never bought an online business for more that 2 months revenue. Have fun with it!

WHAT?!?! Please tell me you are under the influence or something. This might be in the top 10 most stupidest things said on GFY. Any time a business is sold, the companies inventory is taken into account. Yes the content may not be worth what he paid for it, but it still has value.

You probably have never bought any business. When someone sells a business, they ask for well more than 2 months revenue. Most investments my father and I have made through our investment company show that its more like 1 year or more.

A company that makes 7K a month is doing something and anyone with a brain can make money off something that is already producing.

Oh yeah Claude ... good luck on the sale. I don't think you are out of line at all asking your price.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx
I mean funny that you can't look them into the eyes with this job. Says a lot about you.

Read into it what you want to. I doubt that my 6 year old daughter would understand and not to mention how the other kids would tease her in school.

If you think for one second that she wouldnīt tell anyone in school, even if I told her not to tell anyone, you obviously donīt have kids yourself.

Itīs my decision not to tell about my adult sites, some are comfortable with it, some are not. I hope you are not saying that I canīt be trusted just because I keep my adult dealings to myself?

Claude 02-28-2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micker
Not really, the content really doesnt come into consideration. It's a cost of staying open, if this were a retail store, it'd be the fixtures. Honestly, I've never bought an online business for more that 2 months revenue. Have fun with it!

2 months rev - good for you, but I think that is insane. Just my opinion.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx
Hes asking over 12 times the monthly revenue. Without any history without a steady members base like cashprograms have. Without any details at all.

If this 7k is based on 2-3 aff accounts its riskier then hell. Hes gonna sell it for 25-30k max. Mark my word.

You are assuming something that is not true. I have provided details to the people who have mailed me. Obviously, you are not one of them and thatīs OK. You have your opinion and you have made it clear that you are not interested in buying.

King Adam 02-28-2006 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Claude
Read into it what you want to. I doubt that my 6 year old daughter would understand and not to mention how the other kids would tease her in school.

If you think for one second that she wouldnīt tell anyone in school, even if I told her not to tell anyone, you obviously donīt have kids yourself.

Itīs my decision not to tell about my adult sites, some are comfortable with it, some are not. I hope you are not saying that I canīt be trusted just because I keep my adult dealings to myself?

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I have no problem telling people what I do ... but I would never discuss that in front of any child .. .whether they are my own or someone else's. Let them learn about porn the way I did .... stealing Playboy mags from my uncle when I was a kid.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fizzgig
I think when my children are 18 I'll have no problem telling them what I do, but I still have years to change my mind. You do what feels right for you.
:)

Exactly, I think that I would tell them if they were 18 years old but so far I can only speculate about it. Thereīs 18 years and 1 month until the youngest turns 18.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
youre good with 1 word lame replies arent you?

I could give you 10k worth of content thats worth maybe 1k nowadays. Theres zero information bout the content, what quality how old, what niche.

50 sets Aaronm isnt exactly 50 sets cheapasscontent.com.

But hey youre gonna reply with a lame reply anyhow, why do I bother.

The people that have asked, have seen the content. When I posted the initial information I clearly mentioned that potential and serious buyers could get more info. You are assuming that itīs crap without knowing anything about. I will forward any information to potential buyers, but not to flamers who obviously is trying to prevent me from striking a deal. You have said your peace and your opinion is on record, how many times do you need to state that you think the price is to high (without having all the information),

Claude 02-28-2006 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tipsy
What a stupid comment. Were it the 'fixtures' then you would most certainly be paying for them. NO retail store gives its stock and fixtures away when it's sold - it's all worked in to the price and the price obviously increases depending on the value of the fixtures etc. It also obviously does not mean that the content is worth what he paid for it now - however it can very much be taken into account.

Like you I tend to buy for a lot less but I know when I'm doing it that I'm practically stealing the site and it's why I don't own more as the real steals are hard to find. It doesn't mean this guy is asking more than his site is worth - it simply means I'm a cheap arse who only buys very cheap bargains.

I agree. Obviously the "fixtures" are "used" and not worth the orginal price, but to call it useless or not take it into consideration is wrong.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass
On the internet everything has potential. It is very hard to sell potential. I am sending an email but a heads up that my offer does nto take into account tons of work to make the income grow.

:winkwink:

Have you mailed me yet - Havenīt gotten anything from you!

Claude 02-28-2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkwood
hit me up on icq 176992595

I will do that

Claude 02-28-2006 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV
If your serious contact him or stop wasting his time on the board..:2 cents:

Thatīs OK - In this case it was a valid question. :winkwink:

Claude 02-28-2006 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadglni
Look I'm not arguing with your ignorant ass. You're the same dumbass that got pissed off when I told you that you had no idea what a blog was with your raggedy ass pic post excuse for promo material. He said if you wanted the info you're questioning to send him a fucking email, it's pretty obvious he wasn't going to post it here. If you want to buy it send a fucking email, if not quit shitting in his fucking thread.

Exactly, Info will be provided to potential buyers but not to people who are just trying to shit in my thread as it was so correctly put.

Iīm not posting each and every piece of info here. I donīt think the eventuel buyer would be interested in that, but serious buyers can contact me as specified.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:36 AM

Enzo, you got mail

Alex 02-28-2006 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claude
I agree, this network is $7K/month for 30 min. of work a day. The potential with just a little more work is tremendous. The whole thing is set up to go, if I had the time to "go", i would never sell it. Also, to the poster above saying 20K, why would I sell it for 20K when i just keep it for 3 months, put in 30 min. a day and get more than 20K?

Why not keep it for a year. Work 30 min a day and make 85K.
I mean if it is really what you say it is, why sell?

Claude 02-28-2006 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butterflybucks
Because I've been in business for almost 7 years, I know and can prove that yearly revenue is the same year after year for some of my sites. I would never sell my entire empire for only 3 months revenue. Not even for 1 year revenue. So I think he's asking for a damn fair price!

I agree, the right sponsors and sites are a big part of it. Some come, some go. The ones Iīm using are solid. I have a feature in my network that allows me to add and delete sponsorlinks across the network in minutes and I have from time to time added a new sponsor to check it out, and I have deleted them again if they didnīt work out for me (also in minutes). Some of the ones Iīm using now goes back to 99 - solid. And yes, I agree - the price is fair.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien
Claude, i've known you since the begining, trust me, this ain't the best place to sell your thing :Oh crap

I wish i had time and in need of new projects:mad:

Mr.P.

Hmmm... who are you :)
Send me an email, always fun to hear from people back from the "old" days. As i have found out today, thereīs quite a few of you here.

Claude 02-28-2006 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk
just to clarify, the $7K per month is gross he said..... you shouldn't be using gross income when talking about what multiple he is selling for.

What if he has $6500 in expenses to get that $7000?

I have since corrected that number to 8K/month which is the correct number. When I started the thread, I was giving a conservative number. The real monthly revenue is 8K. The expenses for hosting is less than $200 a month. Iīm not buying any traffic or have other expenses for this package. Off course you need an internetconnection, a desk a computer etc. which is obviously not included in the $200.

The people who have mailed me about the hosting info have gotten it.


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