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tony286 · 02-22-2006, 10:00 PM

COMMENTARY:
Nuking the Economy
Forget Iran?Americans Should be Hysterical About This
By Paul Craig Roberts
In five years the US economy only created 70,000 jobs in architecture and engineering, many of which are clerical. Little wonder engineering enrollments are shrinking. There are no jobs for graduates. The talk about engineering shortages is absolute ignorance.
Last week the Bureau of Labor Statistics re-benchmarked the payroll jobs data back to 2000. Thanks to Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services, I have the adjusted data from January 2001 through January 2006. If you are worried about terrorists, you don?t know what worry is.

Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. That?s one good reason for controlling immigration. An economy that cannot keep up with population growth should not be boosting population with heavy rates of legal and illegal immigration.

Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods-producing activities. The entire job growth was in service-providing activities--primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government.
Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth.

US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job.

The declines in some manufacturing sectors have more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing during war than with a super-economy that is ?the envy of the world.? Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce. The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees. The workforce in motor vehicles and parts declined 12%. Furniture and related products lost 17% of its jobs. Apparel manufacturers lost almost half of the work force. Employment in textile mills declined 43%. Paper and paper products lost one-fifth of its jobs. The work force in plastics and rubber products declined by 15%. Even manufacturers of beverages and tobacco products experienced a 7% shrinkage in jobs.

The knowledge jobs that were supposed to take the place of lost manufacturing jobs in the globalized ?new economy? never appeared. The information sector lost 17% of its jobs, with the telecommunications work force declining by 25%. Even wholesale and retail trade lost jobs. Despite massive new accounting burdens imposed by Sarbanes-Oxley, accounting and bookkeeping employment shrank by 4%. Computer systems design and related lost 9% of its jobs. Today there are 209,000 fewer managerial and supervisory jobs than 5 years ago.

In five years the US economy only created 70,000 jobs in architecture and engineering, many of which are clerical. Little wonder engineering enrollments are shrinking. There are no jobs for graduates. The talk about engineering shortages is absolute ignorance. There are several hundred thousand American engineers who are unemployed and have been for years. No student wants a degree that is nothing but a ticket to a soup line. Many engineers have written to me that they cannot even get Wal-Mart jobs because their education makes them over-qualified.

Offshore outsourcing and offshore production have left the US awash with unemployment among the highly educated. The low measured rate of unemployment does not include discouraged workers. Labor arbitrage has made the unemployment rate less and less a meaningful indicator. In the past unemployment resulted mainly from turnover in the labor force and recession. Recoveries pulled people back into jobs.

Unemployment benefits were intended to help people over the down time in the cycle when workers were laid off. Today the unemployment is permanent, as entire occupations and industries are wiped out by labor arbitrage as corporations replace their American employees with foreign ones.

Economists who look beyond political press releases estimate the US unemployment rate to be between 7% and 8.5%. There are now hundreds of thousands of Americans who will never recover their investment in their university education.

Unless the BLS is falsifying the data or businesses are reporting the opposite of the facts, the US is experiencing a job depression. Most economists refuse to acknowledge the facts, because they endorsed globalization. It was a win-win situation, they said.

They were wrong.

At a time when America desperately needs the voices of educated people as a counterweight to the disinformation that emanates from the Bush administration and its supporters, economists have discredited themselves. This is especially true for ?free market economists? who foolishly assumed that international labor arbitrage was an example of free trade that was benefitting Americans. Where is the benefit when employment in US export industries and import-competitive industries is shrinking? After decades of struggle to regain credibility, free market economics is on the verge of another wipeout.
No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy.

No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy. The total number of private sector jobs created over the five year period is 500,000 jobs less than one year?s legal and illegal immigration! (In a December 2005 Center for Immigration Studies report based on the Census Bureau?s March 2005 Current Population Survey, Steven Camarota writes that there were 7.9 million new immigrants between January 2000 and March 2005.)

The economics profession has failed America. It touts a meaningless number while joblessness soars. Lazy journalists at the New York Times simply rewrite the Bush administration?s press releases.

On February 10 the Commerce Department released a record US trade deficit in goods and services for 2005--$726 billion. The US deficit in Advanced Technology Products reached a new high. Offshore production for home markets and jobs outsourcing has made the US highly dependent on foreign provided goods and services, while simultaneously reducing the export capability of the US economy. It is possible that there might be no exchange rate at which the US can balance its trade.

Polls indicate that the Bush administration is succeeding in whipping up fear and hysteria about Iran. The secretary of defense is promising Americans decades-long war. Is death in battle Bush?s solution to the job depression? Will Asians finance a decades-long war for a bankrupt country?
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

Peaches · 02-22-2006, 10:13 PM

People need to learn the word "retraining".

Education of any sort is basically free for anyone who wants it in this country. If you lose your job, instead of sitting on your ass collecting unemployment and welfare, go back and learn another trade. My 70 year old father is taking classes (free) at GA Tech so he can keep up with technology. If he can do it, the 40-50 year old laid off IT and plant workers can do it too

There are a lot of things people will always need that can't be outsourced.

tony286 · 02-22-2006, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

People need to learn the word "retraining".

Education of any sort is basically free for anyone who wants it in this country. If you lose your job, instead of sitting on your ass collecting unemployment and welfare, go back and learn another trade. My 70 year old father is taking classes (free) at GA Tech so he can keep up with technology. If he can do it, the 40-50 year old laid off IT and plant workers can do it too

There are a lot of things people will always need that can't be outsourced.

that sounds nice, learning technology for what some dot in india does it already cheaper lol . How you right wing sheep turn a blind eye to real numbers amazes me.

Peaches · 02-22-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

that sounds nice, learning technology for what some dot in india does it already cheaper lol . How you right wing sheep turn a blind eye to real numbers amazes me.

Technology is hardly the only skill out there to learn! The medical field is literally BEGGING for workers.

Landscaping, construction, housecleaning, childcare, beauticians, auto mechanics, electricians, HVAC, massage therapists, etc., etc., etc. There are tens of thousands of jobs that aren't outsourced.

Or they can sit around and bitch and moan that they don't have jobs. Wah

Probono · 02-23-2006, 09:30 AM

Do you have the source for this info? I think it is as important as you do.

minusonebit · 02-23-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

that sounds nice, learning technology for what some dot in india does it already cheaper lol . How you right wing sheep turn a blind eye to real numbers amazes me.

Someone still has to run the servers and keep the phones on. And not all companies are on the outsorcing bandwagon, espically the smaller ones.

tony286 · 02-23-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

Do you have the source for this info? I think it is as important as you do.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2006/021306Roberts.shtml

Peaches · 02-23-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Someone still has to run the servers and keep the phones on. And not all companies are on the outsorcing bandwagon, espically the smaller ones.

Exactly - and as a company owner, if I can outsource better or equal work for cheaper, I'm going to do it!

As it's been shown in this biz alone, sometimes outsourcing isn't always the best bet. Do your job better than the cheaper outsourcing person will do it and maybe people will be willing to pay extra. It's why people still buy Mercedes when there are Chevrolets

BlackCrayon · 02-23-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Technology is hardly the only skill out there to learn! The medical field is literally BEGGING for workers.

Landscaping, construction, housecleaning, childcare, beauticians, auto mechanics, electricians, HVAC, massage therapists, etc., etc., etc. There are tens of thousands of jobs that aren't outsourced.

Or they can sit around and bitch and moan that they don't have jobs. Wah

most of those jobs suck. outsourcing wouldn't be a problem to most, even me if it was an even playing field, but its not. these companies are getting away with enviromental violations, labor violations, and all sorts of shit that would never get away with here. its basic exploitation. these companies will just rape and pillage each 3rd world country just until these people start making money and demand more, then they'll be off and leave them just like they're leaving us.

do you really think that these great jobs you speak of won't be filled up when more and more people have to find a new 'career'? what happens then? and the more people lose their jobs and have to be retrained, the less people will be able to afford landscaping, newly constructed houses, offices or luxuries like massages and beauty shit.

02-22-2006, 10:00 PM	#1
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Nuking the Economy COMMENTARY: Nuking the Economy Forget Iran?Americans Should be Hysterical About This By Paul Craig Roberts In five years the US economy only created 70,000 jobs in architecture and engineering, many of which are clerical. Little wonder engineering enrollments are shrinking. There are no jobs for graduates. The talk about engineering shortages is absolute ignorance. Last week the Bureau of Labor Statistics re-benchmarked the payroll jobs data back to 2000. Thanks to Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services, I have the adjusted data from January 2001 through January 2006. If you are worried about terrorists, you don?t know what worry is. Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. That?s one good reason for controlling immigration. An economy that cannot keep up with population growth should not be boosting population with heavy rates of legal and illegal immigration. Over the past five years the US economy experienced a net job loss in goods-producing activities. The entire job growth was in service-providing activities--primarily credit intermediation, health care and social assistance, waiters, waitresses and bartenders, and state and local government. Job growth over the last five years is the weakest on record. The US economy came up more than 7 million jobs short of keeping up with population growth. US manufacturing lost 2.9 million jobs, almost 17% of the manufacturing work force. The wipeout is across the board. Not a single manufacturing payroll classification created a single new job. The declines in some manufacturing sectors have more in common with a country undergoing saturation bombing during war than with a super-economy that is ?the envy of the world.? Communications equipment lost 43% of its workforce. Semiconductors and electronic components lost 37% of its workforce. The workforce in computers and electronic products declined 30%. Electrical equipment and appliances lost 25% of its employees. The workforce in motor vehicles and parts declined 12%. Furniture and related products lost 17% of its jobs. Apparel manufacturers lost almost half of the work force. Employment in textile mills declined 43%. Paper and paper products lost one-fifth of its jobs. The work force in plastics and rubber products declined by 15%. Even manufacturers of beverages and tobacco products experienced a 7% shrinkage in jobs. The knowledge jobs that were supposed to take the place of lost manufacturing jobs in the globalized ?new economy? never appeared. The information sector lost 17% of its jobs, with the telecommunications work force declining by 25%. Even wholesale and retail trade lost jobs. Despite massive new accounting burdens imposed by Sarbanes-Oxley, accounting and bookkeeping employment shrank by 4%. Computer systems design and related lost 9% of its jobs. Today there are 209,000 fewer managerial and supervisory jobs than 5 years ago. In five years the US economy only created 70,000 jobs in architecture and engineering, many of which are clerical. Little wonder engineering enrollments are shrinking. There are no jobs for graduates. The talk about engineering shortages is absolute ignorance. There are several hundred thousand American engineers who are unemployed and have been for years. No student wants a degree that is nothing but a ticket to a soup line. Many engineers have written to me that they cannot even get Wal-Mart jobs because their education makes them over-qualified. Offshore outsourcing and offshore production have left the US awash with unemployment among the highly educated. The low measured rate of unemployment does not include discouraged workers. Labor arbitrage has made the unemployment rate less and less a meaningful indicator. In the past unemployment resulted mainly from turnover in the labor force and recession. Recoveries pulled people back into jobs. Unemployment benefits were intended to help people over the down time in the cycle when workers were laid off. Today the unemployment is permanent, as entire occupations and industries are wiped out by labor arbitrage as corporations replace their American employees with foreign ones. Economists who look beyond political press releases estimate the US unemployment rate to be between 7% and 8.5%. There are now hundreds of thousands of Americans who will never recover their investment in their university education. Unless the BLS is falsifying the data or businesses are reporting the opposite of the facts, the US is experiencing a job depression. Most economists refuse to acknowledge the facts, because they endorsed globalization. It was a win-win situation, they said. They were wrong. At a time when America desperately needs the voices of educated people as a counterweight to the disinformation that emanates from the Bush administration and its supporters, economists have discredited themselves. This is especially true for ?free market economists? who foolishly assumed that international labor arbitrage was an example of free trade that was benefitting Americans. Where is the benefit when employment in US export industries and import-competitive industries is shrinking? After decades of struggle to regain credibility, free market economics is on the verge of another wipeout. No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy. No sane economist can possibly maintain that a deplorable record of merely 1,054,000 net new private sector jobs over five years is an indication of a healthy economy. The total number of private sector jobs created over the five year period is 500,000 jobs less than one year?s legal and illegal immigration! (In a December 2005 Center for Immigration Studies report based on the Census Bureau?s March 2005 Current Population Survey, Steven Camarota writes that there were 7.9 million new immigrants between January 2000 and March 2005.) The economics profession has failed America. It touts a meaningless number while joblessness soars. Lazy journalists at the New York Times simply rewrite the Bush administration?s press releases. On February 10 the Commerce Department released a record US trade deficit in goods and services for 2005--$726 billion. The US deficit in Advanced Technology Products reached a new high. Offshore production for home markets and jobs outsourcing has made the US highly dependent on foreign provided goods and services, while simultaneously reducing the export capability of the US economy. It is possible that there might be no exchange rate at which the US can balance its trade. Polls indicate that the Bush administration is succeeding in whipping up fear and hysteria about Iran. The secretary of defense is promising Americans decades-long war. Is death in battle Bush?s solution to the job depression? Will Asians finance a decades-long war for a bankrupt country? Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.

02-22-2006, 10:13 PM	#2
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	People need to learn the word "retraining". Education of any sort is basically free for anyone who wants it in this country. If you lose your job, instead of sitting on your ass collecting unemployment and welfare, go back and learn another trade. My 70 year old father is taking classes (free) at GA Tech so he can keep up with technology. If he can do it, the 40-50 year old laid off IT and plant workers can do it too There are a lot of things people will always need that can't be outsourced.

02-23-2006, 09:30 AM	#5
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Do you have the source for this info? I think it is as important as you do.