That's a great summary of the situation Kane. :thumbsup

This is the underlying fear everyone has but not everyone can verbalize. No one is really concerned with the CEo or the COO's issues on operation, the weak link in the chain becomes the people loading the cargo boxes on and off the ships. No one can control them.

True, I almost bought a Benz for $15k once at Newark. :1orglaugh


Yo, Senator, I need a copy of that app I bought from you in 2003.

J. Will AVS Lounge if you are wondering. :winkwink:

Hit me 15297O595

So because we have fucked up alot in the past and let go of alot of shit, we should keep on going? Not. :error

You, or some other dipshit, made that same ludicrous statement somewhere in this thread 8 hours ago.

It was niave then and it's STILL niave.

you said "If someone DOES get a dirty bomb into this country, the odds of it coming through a naval port are roughly that of Paris Hilton being elected to the Senate. The security we have in place in our ports is just to tight and too sophisticated. What you SHOULD be worrying about is a bomb coming ashore off a drug smuggling boat, or accross the Mexican or Canadian border.

It is categorically NOT a security issue, it is a political one."

I was giving an example that security is not all that you may think it is. Yes LA is not one of the ports that is in question here but you made a blanket statement that security in our navel ports is too tight for anything to get through and I was simply pointing out that that is an untrue statement.

I do blame the custome, and the coast guard and DHS I also blame the politicians and leaders for not helping these guys make security what it needs to be. I know that this country will not be in charge of security but I still think allowing a country that until only a few years ago did business with a known terrorist government (the taliban) to run several of our ports is just not a great idea. Maybe they have a perfect record maybe there will never be a problem with any of those ports but should we be willing to take even the slightest chance?

Dude I could make all kinds of jokes about your spelling of naval.

Such as: "My navel port is about a half inch in diameter, no bombs going through there."

But I wont. LOL


What I WILL do is address this:


Ok, you've apparently made the choice to ignore every single fucking pristinely logical statement I've made r.e. this issue today. Your choice and right, ok.

So fucking what if they did? The UAE has inarguably the BEST record of ANY Arab country as far as comprehending that a whole fucking lot of things changed after 911. We should be really, really, really happy that ANY nation in that region is wanting to do business with us after the fracas thats been going on. Can't you understand that?

The same fucking people that are lambasting this administration for "alienating" the moslem world are fucking salivating over this. They should be, they started this controversy. Kudos to them.

A few simple truths remain dude.

Not one fucking iota of our security or preparedness will change as a result of this sale. A sale of a CONTRACT between two sovereign nations. A sale that the Congress has NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY WHAT SO FUCKING EVER to meddle in.


Imho, this is not a national security debate. It's a blatantly political one.

There is an oversight commitee that has the job of evaluating the legal semantics of this sort of issue. They did their job, and said: "Ok, we find no direct threat to the interests or safety of our citizenry or economy, go ahead and do it."

The law my friend says that's the way it should be done.

You need to sit down for a few minutes and THINK.





Think about what will happen globally if we start becoming fucking unthinking bigots towards the Arab world. Think about how much this country would suffer ECONOMICALLY if we just start rewriting laws to suit this nonsensical beligerence towards the Arabs.

It makes no sense, and I'm LAUGHING at the fact that I am a republican and am having to explain TOLERANCE to a bunch of liberal pornographers.





This is a cliche, yes. But this IS in way how Nazi Germany got started.

SO fuck you. LOL

Oh yeah, the USSR supported the Taliban too. When are we gonna start boycotting Russia???




hahahahahaha please.

You do realize that Bush created this reaction by selling us the fact that we must fear "evil" and fight the people that bring "terror and evil" to the united states, while not really quantifying who those people are specifically. Because of his generalizations in the "War on Terror" Americans now pretty much hate all Arabs, at least that is what I see in my day to day life.

First, I admit, I suck at spelling.

Second. You are correct. the AWE is one of the better of the Arab countries and in recent times they have shown themselves to be helpful to us and at least seem to have an interest in helping us in our war against terror. Still their exact motives remain to be seen. I will say it again because you don't seem to understand that until 9/11 this is a country that did business with a terrorist government. Now they do business with us (well, they probably did business with us back then too). So for me the question is this.

1. can we fully trust a country that will seemingly do business with anyone?To say that we should be happy that any country in the region is willing to do business with us is just ignorrant. these contries will sell their oil/natural gas to anyone that is willing to pay for it. All the Arab countries hate Isreal and we are a friend of Isreal and yet they still line up to sell us their oil. Bush is alienating people and countries but in the end our money speaks louder than our politics.

2. do we reward countries that until only a few years ago did business with terrorists and who we not terribly helpful right after 9/11 in helping us track these terrorist down?

3. As I stated before it doesn't need to be a person in security that causes the problem. If they take control of the ports they will have some of their people over here to help run things. All it takes is one of them to help "sneak" something into the country and bad things can happen. I'm not saying that this couldn't happen now, but there will be more opportunity if this deal goes through.

4. I would disagree that congress has no authority to step into this. If I own a company that makes something of a sensative nature for our government and then I decide to sell my company to China the government can (and most likely will) step in a tell me I can't do this. Tell me exactly what may be more sensative than controling our ports? Before you lecture me I understand that they are currently being run by a British company but there is a big difference between a country that has been our freind and ally for 200 years and a country that we've been freinds with for about 10 minutes.

Do I have tolerance? Yes, without a doubt. I consider myself someone that is very tolerant of other peoples thoughts and ideas. Does this mean that I don't say to myself "hum, maybe this isn't the best option availible to us." on some things? No it doesn't.

You seem to me to be a lot like the Bush White House. Bush runs a "fuck off" leadership. they do whatever they want and then they spend a ton of time having to fight with people in an effort to defend their poistion. they refuse to think that maybe they are not 100% correct on something and maybe there is a happy medium that can be achieved. Instead, they will cut off their nose to spite their face.

On closing (I'm starting to feel like I'm writing thesis) don't bother answering most of the questions above but answer me this:

If you knew me 5 years ago and I was really good friends with someone you hated and thought was evil. If I supported someone that beat his wife and his kids and did bad things to other people then one day a few years later I have a change of heart and I start running a pre-school. I passed all the legal stuff. I say I'm a good guy buy you know about my past. Are you going to send you kids to my school?

I like you man.

Well, you are writing thesis statements but that's ok at least you're thinking.

Unfortunately you're thinking like a retarded 7 year old kid in a coma.


God dammit dude, that is the most confusing analogy I have ever read, and I once got a love note from a 19 year old vegan "hippy". She spent 15 pages trying to convince me that it was ok for her to wear fur and leather, but that I was the antichrist for eating a fucking hamburger at Applebees.



Do that whole thing again. K?





ahahahahah

It must be in the food...I became Vegan about 9 months ago. . . maybe it fucks up your brains :)

oh,
and I guess in the end what i'm trying to say is that I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with this whole deal and maybe it's not a bad thing to take some time to look at it and make sure that it is in the nations best interest.

You don't get it... some time when you realize how business works, call me.

In November 1999 the CIA had OBL tracked and located and was getting Presidential authorization for the cruise missle attack when it was determined that the other people Osama was on a hunting trip with were members of the Royal family from Dubai, UAE.

The White House then nixed the missle launch because of this and we missed the best opportunity to date to have popped Osama.

:disgust

look, here's a direct quote:

"...The White House said on Wednesday that counterterrorism experts had looked at the deal and concluded there was no threat to national security..."

honestly - do you know better than counter terrorism experts?