when you show me a copy of your mensa mebership THEN you can brag about your brains

Wow this whole thread is silly. This is not a political issue at all, since when does the government meddle in private business? Here are some facts:

1. All the employees at the ports are American
2. There is no change to security (coast guard, homeland security still runs that)

There are thousands of foreign owned corporations operating in the united states. Are those of you who are so vocal against this transaction also opposed to car plants owned by honda, toyota, BMW, etc.. What about DamilerChrysler? The Germans could be using those plants to build tanks and bombs!!

Anyone who opposes this deal is a xenophobic protectionist and has to skew facts and manufacture lies to support their position.

This should not even be an issue on the US governments radar, the fact that it is is laughable. I thought Americans loved liberty and freedom? Apparently not, you want your government to stick its nose into everyone's business whenever it feels like it. You complain about domestic NSA wiretaps invading privacy.. and then there is support for squashing a private business deal that the government has no business being involved in! lol.. y'all crack me up.

Jim, I assume you are a solid Republican?

Are Republicans usually bad at math? Jim will respond after finishes writing out basic math problems in crayon.

I fookin hate agreeing with you Jim. :Oh crap :1orglaugh

That's funny -- can't imagine what I'll be next...

A Bush cocksucker, a terrorist sympathizer... maybe an ass-licking sociopath?

"We" are the people that actually follow the news and don't get all worked up by campaign soundbites.

A) it's the RIGHT that has been in control of everything the last few years.

B) isn't abortion against your beliefs?

Also you don't have to be a "lefty" or a Democrat to be against Bush. I have NEVER been a democrat I have however been a registered republcian. You don't have to be a Bears fan to hate the Green Bay Packers. It's idiots like you that believe you have to belong to one of the two idiot parties out there which is why this country is fucked up. Any TRUE republcian would be voting LIBERTARIAN.

elighten yourself http://lp.org/

A-fucking-men!

:thumbsup

Have you seen the budget the last few years?

Didn't know you were one of us...

Both my wife and I voted Badnarik in the last election.

:)

Sure you aren't some liberal elitist? because you sure sound like one.

Didn't say I was. I'm an idependant thinker. I choose not to be a member of ANY party, though I agree with the libertarian point of view more than the other 2 parties. All I'm saying is that any non-jesus freak republican should NOT be voting for republicans because the republican party of today bares little likeness to it's true beliefs.

the company has been tied to the terrorists that funded 9/11, i live in jersey and they had a whole front page article on it... the long shoremen are pretty pissed they interviewed a lot of them and couldn't even put some of the shit they were saying in the papers the workers are not happy with this move... but it's all about the money... thats what it comes down to...

the thing is though dubai will have not just access at port newark, theres 8 other cities in the country where they will take over control... that could lead to some serious security issues as to whats being brought into this country you never know these days...

82 is pretty close to a hundred, and 24 is pretty damn close to being half the republican senate. Arguing a few % points is idiotic.

I stand by what I said, if you think that those kind of numbers would vote to override a Bush veto then you are on crack.

Fair enough.

I sway as well. I'm just in the lp camp right now.

he is on crack

only explanation for the drivel he spouts

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/nyregion/17ports.html

theres a NY times article about it...

Um you said HALF. 35% is closer to 33% than 50% moron. In the Senate 42% is 8 away from 50% and 9 away from 33%. So I'd call that a draw.

Why are people so afraid of Jews?

Zionism is at it's premise the belief that there is supposed to be a Jewish homeland in Israel. Personally I don't give shit if they have a homeland in Israel or not. They can be Zionist all they want. If they can duke it out with the Muslims and keep their homeland so be it.

But what I have noticed from my many years in THE MEDIA BUSINESS is that when they are in power positions, which is not all the time mind you, they tend to be more fair than black or white people in similar positions. They are all about green, not advancing thier race. The only time you see a change in policy for them is where Jewish charitable causes are concerned and all races support their own.

I bet you pee sitting down.

Jim, I hate to break this to you but if you know the 'right' people you can ship your sister and all her skankish 13 year old girlfriends to any foreign country in the world... and recieve 25 asian or russian prostitutes for every head you ship in return... inside of those so called secure containers coming from the ports.

Let's not go into all the cars, guns, drugs and other things that come i and out of our ports daily. All of this is with US control, now imagine what it's like with foreign control.

Dude, the company that runs those ports now is a UK one.


We are doing the security now, and will when the Dubai company takes over.

Why aren't people getting this?

Oh christ, I nearly peed myself when i saw this
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

For what it's worth, Paris Hilton getting into the senate isn't that far-fetched .. you had an ex-actor as President and you've got Hercules Goes Bananas as your CA governor. And she does have the most important thing anyone needs to get into power ... cash money.

:helpme

So are you saying it's ok to go from bad to worse? :Oh crap

all your ports are belong to us




meheh

IMO Americans should be watching are own ports.


:2 cents:

Nothing would change ONE iota. What we NEED to be doing is installing land mines along the the Rio Grande. Funny how the people all up in arms over a fucking business deal want rights for illegal aliens; like SSI and student loans and such.

Liberals make my head hurt, and my trigger finger spasm.

Jesus on a jumped up chariot. WE Are.




Ok I officially give up.

Not realy but if you want to belive that you can.

:)

Turbo Angel has contagious ass warts and she cheats on her taxes.

Now that wasn't very nice.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
mwah


I need a valium and a nap. My superior intellect is just too large a responsibility at times. :(

I would hook you up with one but you're soooooo far away.

;)

HOW ABOUT THE BIGGER QUESTION...

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE OUTSOURCING THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR PORTS IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE????

This is just plain fucking stupid! When the government of the United States is not 'buying American', what do they expect the citizens to do?

Why are we NOT employing Americans to do this job? What losers is allowing this kinda shit to happen and not give a damn?

If you think this is OK, you should be shot for treason!

er, couldn't you say the same about the airports?

would you rather have government workers running all the planes, boats, coaches and push bikes?

It's not really outsourcing or 'contracted' out work. This is a privately run business.

Every employee who works at the ports IS American, so the above statement is void.

Its not a Government company that owns the ports currently, in fact its not an American company.

I guess you are familiar with the Russian strippers that came in through the Newark ports.
The ports are like the wild west!

A lot of stolen high end cars get shipped out of Newark.

I hate to break it to you on this one but you are wrong. At least about the security of the ports part. Here is why:

Not too long ago the TV show 20/20 did an experiment. they went to Malaysia and put a "sumulated dirty bomb" in an antique chest and shipped it to Los Angeles. The port they chose was in a city that is known for it's pro-terrorist politics and is a known haven for various terrorists. The "bomb" was a good size thing that looked like a bomb and had some old radioactive material in it. It wasn't enough material to do any harm but it was enough that it would set off scanners and get someone's attention.

the ship docked in Los Angeles the crate was unload on the docks and the chest was put into a truck shipped across the country. nobody looked in it, nobody caught it. They then take the tape and all the info to the FBI who, understandably, shit their pants. They were less then happy with 20/20 and the show recieved many letter from various people in charge saying that things were changing and would be getting much better and tighter.

Exactly one year later to the day they did the exact same thing. And they got the exact same results. So to say that our security is too tight for anything to get through is just incorrect.

Now as for the UAE taking over operational control of these ports. Here is why it should not be allowed to stand.

1. Before 9/11 the UAE was both a physical and financial location/training area that some of the 9/11 terrorists used.

2. After 9/11 the UAE and it's finacial insitutions refused to help us track and shut down terrorist bank accounts that may be within their country.

3. Until 9/11 the UAE acknowledged and did business with the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

So you have to ask yourself a question. Was their sudden turn and now strong stance against terrorism something that they really belive, or is it that taking that position and allowing us to build more military bases in their country and working with us is just a good business decission? We can't be sure one way or the other.

Take into consideration this: A guy works for this company that now controls the scheduling and opperation of several of our ports. His family is back in the UAE and a nice little terrorist comes along and tells him in no simple terms that if he doesn't do what they want, they will kill his family. All he has to do is switch a few things around in the schedule and make it easier for a certian crate to bypass any possible inspection. It won't seem like he is doing anything odd, just a normal switch. And that crate has either people in it or a bomb or something to make a bomb. the guy wants to save his family so he does it.

Given my choice I would say it will be more easy to potentially influence a guy who is working in Miami and who's family is living in the UAE than it would be to influence a guy working in Miami who's family is living in either London or a suburb of Miami.

Just my 2cents.

In response to your fucking book:

L.A. is a bad example, since it's NOT a port in question and everyone knows its a shithole as far as security.


I'll say it AGAIN, that company will NEVER be in charge of security at the ports.

If you wanna blame someone then blame our customs people that we have INSPECTING CARGO abroad, BEFORE it even gets on the ship bound for our soil; or the people doing the security once the ship does arrive.

i.e. The Coast Guard or DHS.