With all these GUBA threads, has it helped or hurt GUBA?

[pornstar2pac]

I'm thinking they are going to get a bunch of lawsuits. weather they like it or not

[pornstar2pac]

lots of playboy.com and adult.com content on GUBA

[TDF]

have u ever wondered why no one responds to anything you say except me this one time?

[pornstar2pac]

Originally Posted by TDF

have u ever wondered why no one responds to anything you say except me this one time?

thank you for the bump hater

[BoyAlley]

I'd guess in the long run it helps them. Branding is a great thing.

Even if what you're branding is my god damn fucking exclusive gay homosexual content that i spent months shooting that they more or less STOLE, reformatted, and are now selling access to.

[seeric]

i'm the strongest believer that any publicity is good publicity. not this time. no bueno. at all.

too much to explain, i'm watching paula abdul. MILF of the century on American Idol.

[Tempest]

Helped. The vast majorty of people that were ranting and raving about it wouldn't have been promoting them in the first place, and won't do a damn thng about it either. It's easy to post on a board and that's all most people do. But it was mass exposure and I'm sure they got a bunch of new recruits.

[Daruma]

we're better educated

[Daruma]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I'm sure they got a bunch of new recruits.

probably newbies - people with ethics & $ sunk in original content will boycott them with a passion

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Helped. The vast majorty of people that were ranting and raving about it wouldn't have been promoting them in the first place, and won't do a damn thng about it either. It's easy to post on a board and that's all most people do. But it was mass exposure and I'm sure they got a bunch of new recruits.

Your heroes got themselves bent over in the public spotlight and their skin peeled off.

That's a start.

As for those so-called "new recruits" (assuming any exist) - they can have them. I wouldn't waste my time dealing with anyone irresponsible enough to affiliate themselves with a criminal outfit like guba.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

i'm the strongest believer that any publicity is good publicity. not this time. no bueno. at all.

too much to explain, i'm watching paula abdul. MILF of the century on American Idol.

I bet they recruited the most new webmasters ever this week.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your heroes got themselves bent over in the public spotlight and their skin peeled off.

That's a start.

As for those so-called "new recruits" (assuming any exist) - they can have them. I wouldn't waste my time dealing with anyone irresponsible enough to affiliate themselves with a criminal outfit like guba.

This is exactly what I mean about hypocrisy. Everyone in adult is intertwined with unethincal, and downright illegal shit. Everyone that doesn't run their own paysite with no affiliates while shooting their own content at least. You are sadly mistaken if you think your passionate rants did anything to hurt them and you will be dealing with someone connected to them without ever knowing. I'd wager you do already.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Daruma

probably newbies - people with ethics & $ sunk in original content will boycott them with a passion

Really? How about you list your sites out and let me have a look. When I looked into some others that were ranting and raving about the theft I found that they themselves were also stealing content, never mind the ones promoting unethical niches. No one in this business is clean and that's my issue with this entire thing. The pot calling the kettle black.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really? How about you list your sites out and let me have a look. When I looked into some others that were ranting and raving about the theft I found that they themselves were also stealing content, never mind the ones promoting unethical niches. No one in this business is clean and that's my issue with this entire thing. The pot calling the kettle black.

Fuckin exactly.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by chadglni

This is exactly what I mean about hypocrisy. Everyone in adult is intertwined with unethincal, and downright illegal shit. Everyone that doesn't run their own paysite with no affiliates while shooting their own content at least. You are sadly mistaken if you think your passionate rants did anything to hurt them and you will be dealing with someone connected to them without ever knowing. I'd wager you do already.

Back for more, huh...

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Your heroes got themselves bent over in the public spotlight and their skin peeled off.

As I said before, they're not my heros. I'm more offended by the so called "ethical" people bitching about them stealing content when they themsleves are doing the exact same thing.

Are you a content producer? or are you cybernetbucks? Because I'm sure if I looked I'd find how you're just as much of a hypocrit, turning a blind eye to theft within your own house. But that doesn't matter to you because even though you allow the theft you probably make some money from it. Explain that double standard to your kids my friend.

[pornstar2pac]

I think will the new lawsuits they will get, it will cost them a bunch of $$$ in lawyer fees. I voted that it will hurt them

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by chadglni

and you will be dealing with someone connected to them without ever knowing. I'd wager you do already.

I was looking at the site of one of the most outspoken "righteous" guys yesterday and he was exchanging links in multiple places with a site that promotes Guba... Hypocrits.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I was looking at the site of one of the most outspoken "righteous" guys yesterday and he was exchanging links in multiple places with a site that promotes Guba... Hypocrits.

GUBA is easy to spot. How many sites deal in browser hijacking, spam, exploits, worms, etc that you can't just look up? Spam and spyware are a huge part of this industry and many programs that the upstanding citizens would never imagine. I'd say 99% of people here do business with those they find unethical. Pure comedy.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

As I said before, they're not my heros. I'm more offended by the so called "ethical" people bitching about them stealing content when they themsleves are doing the exact same thing.

Are you a content producer? or are you cybernetbucks? Because I'm sure if I looked I'd find how you're just as much of a hypocrit, turning a blind eye to theft within your own house. But that doesn't matter to you because even though you allow the theft you probably make some money from it. Explain that double standard to your kids my friend.

Look all you want. We produce our own content and run Cybernet as long-standing affiliates on all our sites, along with a few others.

All content appearing with permission of affiliates.

[u-Bob]

- they recruited some new affiliates.
- they got tons of negative publicity.
- 'guba' was added to the banned word list of several TGPs.
- the fact that their skin lasted less than a day must mean something...
- ...

it hurt them.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Look all you want. We produce our own content and run Cybernet as long-standing affiliates on all our sites, along with a few others.

All content appearing with permission of affiliates.

I must have struck a nerve in order for you to bring out the finger.

So none of the affiliates are breaking the TOS and using more content than you supply for their use? Are they licensed to host that content on their own servers? Does anyone check if they're being stolen from or do you just ignore it because it's making you money? hmmmmm.. Does cybnernet ever audit their affilaites to see what pages al those hits are coming from? I should look thru my databases and see if any of your content is being hosted on sites that actually don't have a license.. Or better yet, how many of the cybernet affiliates also promote Guba??? Are they going to put that in their TOS that no one can promote Guba? But you really don't care do you.. As long as it's making you money to take care of the kids that you're teaching that 2 rights don't make a wrong. So come on.. Put up or shut up. If you're truly so offended then cut everyone off that's promoting or doing business with Guba in one form or another.

But I suspect you'll do absolutely nothing because you haven't to date.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

I must have struck a nerve in order for you to bring out the finger.

So none of the affiliates are breaking the TOS and using more content than you supply for their use? Are they licensed to host that content on their own servers? Does anyone check if they're being stolen from or do you just ignore it because it's making you money? hmmmmm.. Does cybnernet ever audit their affilaites to see what pages al those hits are coming from? I should look thru my databases and see if any of your content is being hosted on sites that actually don't have a license.. Or better yet, how many of the cybernet affiliates also promote Guba??? Are they going to put that in their TOS that no one can promote Guba? But you really don't care do you.. As long as it's making you money to take care of the kids that you're teaching that 2 rights don't make a wrong. So come on.. Put up or shut up. If you're truly so offended then cut everyone off that's promoting or doing business with Guba in one form or another.

But I suspect you'll do absolutely nothing because you haven't to date.

You know...

I nearly took the bait on this one and started responding to your questions.

Foolish me.

But instead I backed off - deciding you're simply not worth my time and effort. I don't know you from fucking Adam - and certainly don't owe you the courtesy of any explanation or details about my business affairs, affiliations or any aspect of my operations. You're nothing more than a tiresome and arrogant loud mouth who spends his time and energy dispensing wildly unfounded accusations and factless assumptions without a shred of knowledge or background.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

You know...

I nearly took the bait on this one and started responding to your questions.

Foolish me.

But instead I backed off - deciding you're simply not worth my time and effort. I don't know you from fucking Adam - and certainly don't owe you the courtesy of any explanation or details about my business affairs, affiliations or any aspect of my operations. You're nothing more than a tiresome and arrogant loud mouth who spends his time and energy dispensing wildly unfounded accusations and factless assumptions without a shred of knowledge or background.

Yeah ok... Of course you won't respond since you know I'm right and so now you have to attempt to discredit what I'm saying by trivializing it. There is NOTHING in the cybernetbucks TOS about Guba.. Nada. So they will do business with those promoting Guba, and you in turn will as well. I still don't understand the relationship between you and them, but clearly you don't really care enough about this issue to take a real stand. Just when it's convenient and won't have an adverse effect on your bottom line.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Yeah ok... Of course you won't respond since you know I'm right and so now you have to attempt to discredit what I'm saying by trivializing it. There is NOTHING in the cybernetbucks TOS about Guba.. Nada. So they will do business with those promoting Guba, and you in turn will as well. I still don't understand the relationship between you and them, but clearly you don't really care enough about this issue to take a real stand. Just when it's convenient and won't have an adverse effect on your bottom line.

Cybernet Entertainment are producers of their own original content for at least a half dozen of their own sites - and that is the content we affiliate with.

I'm not about to play 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon with every affiliate in the industry to track who does and doesn't have affiliations with Guba. If you have that kind of free time to play Perry Mason, knock yourself out. I couldn't give a shit. That's their business, not mine. Since the only content that appears on our sites from Cybernet affiliate accounts is produced specifically by them in their own San Francisco studios, that's our concern...nothing more. It does not affect us in any way, shape or form. The licensed content we feature from Cybernet is wholly owned and copyrighted - by Cybernet. Our business relationship is a straight line between us and Cybernet. It is not a triangle.

As for "affecting our bottom line" - I'm assuming you're infering that we only keep them as affiliates because of the revenue.

Although they are among the very best...they aren't the only game in town...and we could likely do just as well with other programs. Revenue isn't the primary motivating factor in the equation.

We have been affiliated with Peter and Tony of Cybernet for many years (in fact, our earliest is account #302 in a sequence that now reaches over 10k) - and our mutual loyalty is born of that longtime business affiliation and trust in their excellent and unique products and shared personal interests in the genres for which they produce.

What they do outside our business relations is their affairs and does not affect us - as it shouldn't. Do I support any affiliations they may have with Guba? Of course not. But that has no bearing on our relationship with them.

Get it? Got it?

Good.

[Pornwolf]

This has definitely hurt them. The few affilliates they might have picked up in no way offsets the amount of legal trouble they have picked up.