Guba no, P2P yes? Thoughts? - GoFuckYourself.com

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 04:18 AM

I wonder how many people here are upset about Guba but are happily downloading copyrighted content for free through P2P networks.

And remember, Limewire eDonkey and all those other shitballs make money too from it (ads), so this really IS apples to apples comparison.

Defend yourself!
(for the record: I hate 'em all. I rooted for Metallica during the Napster law suit and everybody was up my ass for that)

MattO · 02-21-2006, 04:23 AM

Unlike those P2P systems, GUBA hosts the content. Plus they manipulate the content by making thumbs and re-encoding the video for PSP & IPod formats, so it's not the same.

***The above was stated in about 1000 other GUBA threads.

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 04:26 AM

So that makes P2P okay in your book?

Jakke PNG · 02-21-2006, 04:42 AM

No. P2P isn't ok. But unfortunately there's pretty much nothing we can do about it, except flood it with crap + videos with popups and shit. Try to render it useless.. Guba checks for that crap and roots our moneymaking possibilities out, except for watermarks.

I also don't download my mp3's or get my tv-series or movies from p2, and I actually buy all my software.

Don't try to paint us out as hypocrites.

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 04:42 AM

Nobody else has an opinion on this?

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 04:43 AM

TeenGodFather, sorry, didn't see your post until after I posted.
No painting nobody but with all the hubbub about it I'm curious. A dude can be curious, no?

aico · 02-21-2006, 04:46 AM

Neither is ok, but neither is the same.. so it's not apples and apples...

u-Bob · 02-21-2006, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

No. P2P isn't ok. But unfortunately there's pretty much nothing we can do about it, except flood it with crap + videos with popups and shit. Try to render it useless.. Guba checks for that crap and roots our moneymaking possibilities out, except for watermarks.

what he said.

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 04:54 AM

Okay, I can see that point.
Now, do you think Guba will face similiar suit action for infringement? I just can't see how it's that much different from P2P networks (at least in terms of taking copyrighted material and making it available to others for profit) so one would think Guba will get slapped too?

Jakke PNG · 02-21-2006, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kroy

Okay, I can see that point.
Now, do you think Guba will face similiar suit action for infringement? I just can't see how it's that much different from P2P networks (at least in terms of taking copyrighted material and making it available to others for profit) so one would think Guba will get slapped too?

The p2p networks aren't hosting the content.
p2p = peer to peer = user to user.
If Guba was just to show the usenet in an easy-to-view method, they wouldn't be liable..but they rip all the stuff to be hosted on their own server.

A p2p network would be shutdown in a week if they hosted all of the mp3's on their server.

If you can't see what's wrong with their biz model, that's your problem. I have a problem with how they run their shit..but that's my problem.

I did have plans to not get involved in any of the 100000000's of guba threads..but I got lured into this one. I'm out.

Kroy · 02-21-2006, 05:12 AM

I understand the differences very well, the point I'm making is that the principle (again: other people's content) is similar. If you don't want to get involved that's fine. Why be so hostile? The question was not directed towards anyone specific so please calm down and have some camomile tea or something.

Jakke PNG · 02-21-2006, 05:36 AM

Where did you see hostility in my post?
I just stated facts, and it has nothing (or little) to do with making money off stolen content.

The Duck · 02-21-2006, 06:05 AM

sony psp...

adultchica · 02-21-2006, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kroy

I wonder how many people here are upset about Guba but are happily downloading copyrighted content for free through P2P networks.

And remember, Limewire eDonkey and all those other shitballs make money too from it (ads), so this really IS apples to apples comparison.

Defend yourself!
(for the record: I hate 'em all. I rooted for Metallica during the Napster law suit and everybody was up my ass for that)

Edit: nevermind I don't feel that lucky

Martin3 · 02-21-2006, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

The p2p networks aren't hosting the content.
p2p = peer to peer = user to user.
If Guba was just to show the usenet in an easy-to-view method, they wouldn't be liable..but they rip all the stuff to be hosted on their own server.

A p2p network would be shutdown in a week if they hosted all of the mp3's on their server.

If you can't see what's wrong with their biz model, that's your problem. I have a problem with how they run their shit..but that's my problem.

I did have plans to not get involved in any of the 100000000's of guba threads..but I got lured into this one. I'm out.

Problem is binaries on usenet is nothing more then encoded mime/uue text documents. Files are broken down and encoded by the person uploading and decoded and reconstructed by the downloader. It's not the actual files on the servers, this is how NSP get by all the copyright laws. Most will cancel user accounts when complaints come, but they themselves are perfectly ok as far as the law goes.
I didn't realize guba was converting file formats until it popped up in the million threads posted about them. That might be skating on thin ice for them, would depend on their methods for converting the files though.

02-21-2006, 04:18 AM	#1
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	Guba no, P2P yes? Thoughts? I wonder how many people here are upset about Guba but are happily downloading copyrighted content for free through P2P networks. And remember, Limewire eDonkey and all those other shitballs make money too from it (ads), so this really IS apples to apples comparison. Defend yourself! (for the record: I hate 'em all. I rooted for Metallica during the Napster law suit and everybody was up my ass for that) __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 04:26 AM	#3
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	So that makes P2P okay in your book? __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 04:42 AM	#4
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	No. P2P isn't ok. But unfortunately there's pretty much nothing we can do about it, except flood it with crap + videos with popups and shit. Try to render it useless.. Guba checks for that crap and roots our moneymaking possibilities out, except for watermarks. I also don't download my mp3's or get my tv-series or movies from p2, and I actually buy all my software. Don't try to paint us out as hypocrites. __________________ ..and I'm off.

02-21-2006, 04:42 AM	#5
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	Nobody else has an opinion on this? __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 04:43 AM	#6
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	TeenGodFather, sorry, didn't see your post until after I posted. No painting nobody but with all the hubbub about it I'm curious. A dude can be curious, no? __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 04:23 AM	#2
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	Unlike those P2P systems, GUBA hosts the content. Plus they manipulate the content by making thumbs and re-encoding the video for PSP & IPod formats, so it's not the same. ***The above was stated in about 1000 other GUBA threads.

02-21-2006, 04:46 AM	#7
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Neither is ok, but neither is the same.. so it's not apples and apples...

02-21-2006, 04:54 AM	#9
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	Okay, I can see that point. Now, do you think Guba will face similiar suit action for infringement? I just can't see how it's that much different from P2P networks (at least in terms of taking copyrighted material and making it available to others for profit) so one would think Guba will get slapped too? __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 05:12 AM	#11
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	I understand the differences very well, the point I'm making is that the principle (again: other people's content) is similar. If you don't want to get involved that's fine. Why be so hostile? The question was not directed towards anyone specific so please calm down and have some camomile tea or something. __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-21-2006, 05:36 AM	#12
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	Where did you see hostility in my post? I just stated facts, and it has nothing (or little) to do with making money off stolen content. __________________ ..and I'm off.

02-21-2006, 06:05 AM	#13
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