My question about GUBA involves Verisign - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:08 PM

how the fuck does Verisign allow this company to process with them?

fuck suing Guba - I' thinking about sueing Verisign for allowing processing on a company that doesn't have licence or agreement to use it's content. and has MINE on it.

always sue the person with the money.

Verisign - do you care to comment on this. I'd like an answer.

I have sceen EXCLUSIVE sleazydream content on guba, as well as tons of other companies and I know I never gave them a release or permission to use my content and put it on their servers and RESELL it to their members.

The only answer i can see if Verisign wants to keep their reputation is to pull their account. I assume their terms and conditions - possibly not but I'm assuming here - doesn't allow clients to use content that they do not have licence or permission to use.

Donny · 02-20-2006, 11:12 PM

Class action? I'm in.

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Donny

Class action? I'm in.

your content on there too?

Jman · 02-20-2006, 11:15 PM

I want names who's behind Guba. That shit ain't normal smell like some fucked up operation.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-20-2006, 11:16 PM

they are def taking "fair use" a bit far by hosting the images and selling memberships while showing/hosting copyrighted material as "examples".

Just to clarify they arent actually hosting the "end product" ( as far as i know ) just the xamples, much in the same fashion google images does.. the difference is how they sell the memberships in conjunction with those displays.

I dont think nearly as many people would be pissed off if they simply offered guba for what it is , but the whole "selling" part of guba is the ability to search for copyright material and see it before you buy..

If they simply sold it as a program to access usenet easier , they would have no buyers or alot less anyways. By hosting and displaying copyright material as "examples" of what you will get when you buy a membership , it makes it an easy sell .

chadglni · 02-20-2006, 11:17 PM

Please fucking sue them. Everyone is talking about it, just fucking do it and watch as you accomplish the same thing as sending a C&D. A slap on the wrist and an order to take your shit down, pretty much what a friendly phone call would accomplish come to think of it. GUBA cannot police every damn item on newsgroups. Does this mean that no company in the world can start the service they have? Nope it just means you're an idiot.

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

If they simply sold it as a program to access usenet easier , they would have no buyers or alot less anyways. By hosting and displaying copyright material as "examples" of what you will get when you buy a membership , it makes it an easy sell .

and COMPLETELY illegial

Kroy · 02-20-2006, 11:18 PM

Yep. It's like if Google started to charge for their images search.
Guba's been around for a while so how come peeps are just now getting upset about it?

CaptainHowdy · 02-20-2006, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

I want names who's behind Guba. That shit ain't normal smell like some fucked up operation.

the GFY nick is lesbodojo i think...

Jman · 02-20-2006, 11:19 PM

http://www.guba.com/management.sgba

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Please fucking sue them. Everyone is talking about it, just fucking do it and watch as you accomplish the same thing as sending a C&D. A slap on the wrist and an order to take your shit down, pretty much what a friendly phone call would accomplish come to think of it. GUBA cannot police every damn item on newsgroups. Does this mean that no company in the world can start the service they have? Nope it just means you're an idiot.

there are legal ways to boycot a company beyond suing too.

all you have to do is hit them in the wallet.

KRL · 02-20-2006, 11:21 PM

http://pub.pictureview.com/pvidx/gro...-Alpha100.html

PictureView has been selling memberships for years. Everyone's content is on there too.

They use the "we're just providing a viewer to access newsgroups" cop out.

SilentKnight · 02-20-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kroy

Yep. It's like if Google started to charge for their images search.
Guba's been around for a while so how come peeps are just now getting upset about it?

1) Hatred aimed at Guba isn't a new thing. Its been going on for years. We've had altercations with them dating as far back as the late 90s.

2) People are upset today in particular when GFY chose to skin the forum with their ad - thus putting it all in our faces.

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

http://pub.pictureview.com/pvidx/gro...-Alpha100.html

PictureView has been selling memberships for years. Everyone's content is on there too.

They use the "we're just providing a viewer to access newsgroups" cop out.

another company we need to shut down.

just cause someone else is doing it doesn't make it right.

Kroy · 02-20-2006, 11:23 PM

Ah, missed seeing their skin. What were they thinking?! haha

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-20-2006, 11:23 PM

Probably falls under non compliancy with 2257. Makes ya wonder how they got an account in the first place.
GUBA oughtah be turned off like a long ass time ago.

So clearly dudes with money got to together and planned this out.
To steel from hard working people of course.

Tat2Jr · 02-20-2006, 11:25 PM

When you RE-ENCODE content off the newsgroups into Ipod and PSP formats... that's when they aren't just providing access to the newsgroups anymore. There's NO defense to them re-encoding videos into another format. That's theft... plain and simple.

chadglni · 02-20-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

http://pub.pictureview.com/pvidx/gro...-Alpha100.html

PictureView has been selling memberships for years. Everyone's content is on there too.

They use the "we're just providing a viewer to access newsgroups" cop out.

That's because it's the best copout to use from a legal standpoint. Everyone here acts like these people were sitting around in their moms basement coming up with this shit. Don't they think they have lawyers too? GUBA has tens of thousands of members, I'm pretty sure they welcome any knucklehead suing them over something they pay people to stay on top of 24/7.

chadglni · 02-20-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tat2Jr

When you RE-ENCODE content off the newsgroups into Ipod and PSP formats... that's when they aren't just providing access to the newsgroups anymore. There's NO defense to them re-encoding videos into another format. That's theft... plain and simple.

http://video.google.com

I haven't really checked but don't they encode their own shit?

CDSmith · 02-20-2006, 11:31 PM

Chadgini, can I ask you a question? What is your stake in this issue? You've taken a rather rabidly opposing viewpoint here in defence of GUBA, I'm wondering why.

SleazyDream · 02-20-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Probably falls under non compliancy with 2257. Makes ya wonder how they got an account in the first place.
GUBA oughtah be turned off like a long ass time ago.

So clearly dudes with money got to together and planned this out.
To steel from hard working people of course.

to be honest i don't give a shit about anyone else.

but i want my shit off there - and i'll be a hella pain in the ass to them till it's removed. in and out of court - all legally.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-20-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

http://video.google.com

I haven't really checked but don't they encode their own shit?

videos on google are manually submitted by the copyright holders and nobody else is allowed. If notifed they will remove copyright material, furthermore they aren't giving away part of the video and selling the rest..

BV · 02-20-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

http://video.google.com

I haven't really checked but don't they encode their own shit?

Those videos are submitted by the copyright holders.

Who can upload a video?

The Google Video Upload program lets anyone who owns the necessary rights (including copyrights, trademarks, rights of publicity, and any other relevant rights for your content) submit videos electronically to Google Video.

To learn more about the Google Video Upload program or to sign up, please visit https://upload.video.google.com/.

http://video.google.com/support/bin/...204&topic=1488

Donny · 02-20-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

your content on there too?

Yep.

SilentKnight · 02-20-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Chadgini, can I ask you a question? What is your stake in this issue? You've taken a rather rabidly opposing viewpoint here in defence of GUBA, I'm wondering why.

As you replied to my post in the other thread, I'd be interested in why this is as well

tony286 · 02-20-2006, 11:43 PM

has anyone written or called verisign about this?

WiredGuy · 02-20-2006, 11:44 PM

I told you about it when I was in Winnipeg. It was just a matter of time before it got the public's attention. I imagine GUBA's wallet is pretty deep by now, after all, they don't have content to license

WG

FightThisPatent · 02-20-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

how the fuck does Verisign allow this company to process with them?

fuck suing Guba - I' thinking about sueing Verisign for allowing processing on a company that doesn't have licence or agreement to use it's content. and has MINE on it.

Perfect10 already tried this approach to sue CCbill/VISA for processing for websites that were using his content... and lost. Court found that the credit card processor was not liable.

Fight the been there, done that!

chadglni · 02-20-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Chadgini, can I ask you a question? What is your stake in this issue? You've taken a rather rabidly opposing viewpoint here in defence of GUBA, I'm wondering why.

I have absolutely 0 stake in the issue. Was working all day and came to the board to see 5000 retarded threads about a retarded subject and figured I'd say my piece. This is the most hypocritical bunch of people I have ever seen in my life, hell just look through the signatured of any thread and see how many people respect copyrights around here. Same goes for 2257 with pr0n posted daily and nobody crying about it. It's retarded to get all in a huff about an 8 year old problem that nobody has or will do shit about.

CDSmith · 02-20-2006, 11:49 PM

I imagine that much of the content I produced from '99 to 2002 is on there as well. Haven't looked, but since it's been up on my former client's website for 5 years now I wouldn't be at all surprised to find some of it there. Of course, I already made my money from it, but that former client of mine might be a tad pissed to find any part of that rather expensive custom conent he purchased back then was being used by GUBA, with them charging fees to see them.

Oh good heaven's, am I starting to lean towards one side of this argument??

chadglni · 02-20-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Perfect10 already tried this approach to sue CCbill/VISA for processing for websites that were using his content... and lost. Court found that the credit card processor was not liable.

Fight the been there, done that!

How many people have sued google for copyright infringement and won monetary settlements? I figure you for the guy that would know that. Also, why doesn't google and every other big site stop, surely all these "lawsuits" are causing them trouble.

SilentKnight · 02-20-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I imagine that much of the content I produced from '99 to 2002 is on there as well. Haven't looked, but since it's been up on my former client's website for 5 years now I wouldn't be at all surprised to find some of it there. Of course, I already made my money from it, but that former client of mine might be a tad pissed to find any part of that rather expensive custom conent he purchased back then was being used by GUBA, with them charging fees to see them.

Oh good heaven's, am I starting to lean towards one side of this argument??

We welcome you in to the light of reason

PussyTeenies · 02-20-2006, 11:53 PM

bump for a "good" idea

FightThisPatent · 02-20-2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

to be honest i don't give a shit about anyone else.

but i want my shit off there -.

GUBA would probably tell you to send them a DMCA notice of your exact content for the takedown (http://www.guba.com/copyright.sgba)

This means that it is your job to document every instance of your copyrighted material (assuming you filed copyrights, which many people don't. $30 or so application fee and a CD and you could do it).

IMHO, guba has lost their "ISP" or "online service provider" exemption that they feel are covered as being a "conduit" to newsgroups, when they take the videos and re-encode them into other formats.

This is clearly copyright infringement in its purest sense.

There is also a big difference between being an "ISP" and requiring the end-user to use their own newsgroup reader and having a web-interface.. but that's all just opinions, since it seems no one has taken it up with them legally in court so far (or that i am aware of).

You can't sue for damages unless you have filed for copyrights. You could DMCA-to-death any company that has your content, and if it's not taken down "in a reasonable period of time", then you would have legal recourse, but DMCA has put the responsibility on the copyright owner to police their content when they see it outside of the licensing agreements.

Being in California, Guba could have some serious trouble with CA laws about unfair business practices, where they are able to distribute content, that other websites have to license (hence all the many threads that have sprouted up since the skin went up).... but what do i know, i'm not a lawyer.

Fight the .02!

Alex · 02-20-2006, 11:57 PM

Listen if you are serious. Talk to your lawyer or one on this matter.

Before your shit even goes to court they will apologize and remove that content.

Thats only a few pictures out of its 4million dattbase.

You think all 1000+ webmasters are going to sue.

Just my :twocents

Talk to a lawyer

SmokeyTheBear · 02-20-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

This is the most hypocritical bunch of people I have ever seen in my life, hell just look through the signatured of any thread and see how many people respect copyrights around here.

Most of those are considered "fair use" , that being a parody of the original work. Offering copyright material as "examples" of what you will recieve by paying is alot different that someone using a picture of jean claude vandam in their sig..

Using copyright material as a "parody" or "news story" has and is considered "fair use" , what guba is doing is very different..

Obviously its a "shady area" of the law or they wouldnt exist (guba ), but questioning it shouldnt make everyone hypocrites.

You see nothing wrong in this ?

FightThisPatent · 02-20-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

How many people have sued google for copyright infringement and won monetary settlements? I figure you for the guy that would know that. Also, why doesn't google and every other big site stop, surely all these "lawsuits" are causing them trouble.

Similar cases have been taken to court, and google seems so far to be exempt (tho interesting approach by Perfect10, rather than suing google, they get websites de-listed), because they provide the thumbnail view from the original site (and linking to it), and don't do any conversions of the image.

This EFF page is good reading on this subject about google:
http://www.eff.org/IP/Linking/199603...statement.html

http://www.eff.org/IP/Linking/Kelly_v_Arriba_Soft/

Fight the cliff notes!

CDSmith · 02-21-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

I have absolutely 0 stake in the issue. Was working all day and came to the board to see 5000 retarded threads about a retarded subject and figured I'd say my piece. This is the most hypocritical bunch of people I have ever seen in my life, hell just look through the signatured of any thread and see how many people respect copyrights around here. Same goes for 2257 with pr0n posted daily and nobody crying about it. It's retarded to get all in a huff about an 8 year old problem that nobody has or will do shit about.

You know, there is hypocrisy in many arguments and issues in and out of this industry. I acknowledge that there is some in this particular issue, but I'm unconvinced that that justifies what GUBA is apparently doing.

If something is wrong with a company's method of operation, doing nothing about it and ignoring it simply for the sake of not being labeled a hypocrite is probably the thing that's more useless. If some want to at least try to take action how is that any skin off your ass?

Yes, I am still seeking enlightenment here. :D

chadglni · 02-21-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Most of those are considered "fair use" , that being a parody of the original work. Offering copyright material as "examples" of what you will recieve by paying is alot different that someone using a picture of jean claude vandam in their sig..

Using copyright material as a "parody" or "news story" has and is considered "fair use" , what guba is doing is very different..

Obviously its a "shady area" of the law or they wouldnt exist (guba ), but questioning it shouldnt make everyone hypocrites.

You see nothing wrong in this ?

That fair use hurts peoples feelings just like the unfair use everyone here is so morally against all of a sudden. Just ask teh star wars kid.

SilentKnight · 02-21-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

GUBA would probably tell you to send them a DMCA notice of your exact content for the takedown (http://www.guba.com/copyright.sgba)

This means that it is your job to document every instance of your copyrighted material (assuming you filed copyrights, which many people don't. $30 or so application fee and a CD and you could do it).

IMHO, guba has lost their "ISP" or "online service provider" exemption that they feel are covered as being a "conduit" to newsgroups, when they take the videos and re-encode them into other formats.

This is clearly copyright infringement in its purest sense.

There is also a big difference between being an "ISP" and requiring the end-user to use their own newsgroup reader and having a web-interface.. but that's all just opinions, since it seems no one has taken it up with them legally in court so far (or that i am aware of).

You can't sue for damages unless you have filed for copyrights. You could DMCA-to-death any company that has your content, and if it's not taken down "in a reasonable period of time", then you would have legal recourse, but DMCA has put the responsibility on the copyright owner to police their content when they see it outside of the licensing agreements.

Being in California, Guba could have some serious trouble with CA laws about unfair business practices, where they are able to distribute content, that other websites have to license (hence all the many threads that have sprouted up since the skin went up).... but what do i know, i'm not a lawyer.

Fight the .02!

All of which goes to say - the logistics alone of mounting a legal attack would be next-to futile.

Even *IF* you had filed your copyrights with the Library of Congress, laboriously combed through the entire Guba catalogue, carefully recording and matching stolen content......you'd still be left with the financial burden of hiring lawyers, flying back and forth to court dates, spending an enormous amount of lost production time attending court, etc.

Who in their right mind would even briefly consider that as an option?

SmokeyTheBear · 02-21-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Also, why doesn't google and every other big site stop, surely all these "lawsuits" are causing them trouble.

simple they arent selling access to the "full version" of the content they display, nor are they selling anything while directly displaying the content.. GUBA is doing both.

CDSmith · 02-21-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

We welcome you in to the light of reason

Hang around here long enough and you'll find that I am that light. :D

chadglni · 02-21-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

You know, there is hypocrisy in many arguments and issues in and out of this industry. I acknowledge that there is some in this particular issue, but I'm unconvinced that that justifies what GUBA is apparently doing.

If something is wrong with a company's method of operation, doing nothing about it and ignoring it simply for the sake of not being labeled a hypocrite is probably the thing that's more useless. If some want to at least try to take action how is that any skin off your ass?

Yes, I am still seeking enlightenment here. :D

If 1000 webmasters could somehow sue them and shut them down tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the least. I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

J-Reel · 02-21-2006, 12:04 AM

WTF! Hardcore J?

SmokeyTheBear · 02-21-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

That fair use hurts peoples feelings just like the unfair use everyone here is so morally against all of a sudden. Just ask teh star wars kid.

People werent displaying half the star wars kid and selling access to the other half or star wars kid would have a lawyer and a ton of money..

Im sure wendy's didnt like all the news story's makeing fun of their COPYRIGHT logo's , but they werent SELLING access to the news story or to the parody using the copyright logo.. If they did/were they would be sued..

TDF · 02-21-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Reel

WTF! Hardcore J?

FightThisPatent · 02-21-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

Even *IF* you had filed your copyrights with the Library of Congress, laboriously combed through the entire Guba catalogue, carefully recording and matching stolen content......you'd still be left with the financial burden of hiring lawyers, flying back and forth to court dates, spending an enormous amount of lost production time attending court, etc.

exactly.... it is ironic that copyright laws are meant to protect one's property, but the actual process of enforcing those rights can be cost prohibited where you can't enforce your rights. (now if you were Hollywood, they send out the FBI to handle copyright infringement issues.)

If you did have images copyrighted, you can be awarded damages from a minimum of $2,500 per image/infraction up to $150,000 (it's up to the judge to decide how blatant the actions were).

Copyright law does give you recourse, but like any lawsuit, it takes bucks to litigate for bucks.. but if you can prove your case (ie. filed copyrights) and have the bankroll, you could win big in damages.. but then comes the collecting of the judgement, where a company could just file BK and you "won" with a court judgement, but "lost" because you can't collect.

Fight the injustice!

SilentKnight · 02-21-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

If 1000 webmasters could somehow sue them and shut them down tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the least. I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

The fact that the skin came down in a matter of hours after the indignation lit up the entire front page from top to bottom - speaks volumes.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-21-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

Things do happen .. Ever seen a skin vanish in hours ? Thats the whole point of everyone's useless huffing. Cause a big enough "huff" and things do change , even if its rare it does happen. I predict some sponsors will publicly announce a soft ban ( i.e. promote guba , you wont get paid )

SilentKnight · 02-21-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

exactly.... it is ironic that copyright laws are meant to protect one's property, but the actual process of enforcing those rights can be cost prohibited where you can't enforce your rights. (now if you were Hollywood, they send out the FBI to handle copyright infringement issues.)

If you did have images copyrighted, you can be awarded damages from a minimum of $2,500 per image/infraction up to $150,000 (it's up to the judge to decide how blatant the actions were).

Copyright law does give you recourse, but like any lawsuit, it takes bucks to litigate for bucks.. but if you can prove your case (ie. filed copyrights) and have the bankroll, you could win big in damages.. but then comes the collecting of the judgement, where a company could just file BK and you "won" with a court judgement, but "lost" because you can't collect.

Fight the injustice!

I posted this link in another thread earlier - its appropo to your comments above:

http://www.suze.net/preview/copyright/APIC-Reactor.htm

02-20-2006, 11:08 PM	#1
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	My question about GUBA involves Verisign how the fuck does Verisign allow this company to process with them? fuck suing Guba - I' thinking about sueing Verisign for allowing processing on a company that doesn't have licence or agreement to use it's content. and has MINE on it. always sue the person with the money. Verisign - do you care to comment on this. I'd like an answer. I have sceen EXCLUSIVE sleazydream content on guba, as well as tons of other companies and I know I never gave them a release or permission to use my content and put it on their servers and RESELL it to their members. The only answer i can see if Verisign wants to keep their reputation is to pull their account. I assume their terms and conditions - possibly not but I'm assuming here - doesn't allow clients to use content that they do not have licence or permission to use. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

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Jman Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canuckstikan Posts: 22,794	I want names who's behind Guba. That shit ain't normal smell like some fucked up operation. __________________ New AI Affiliate Program FantasyXXX.AI TG: @jman1216

02-20-2006, 11:16 PM	#5
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	they are def taking "fair use" a bit far by hosting the images and selling memberships while showing/hosting copyrighted material as "examples". Just to clarify they arent actually hosting the "end product" ( as far as i know ) just the xamples, much in the same fashion google images does.. the difference is how they sell the memberships in conjunction with those displays. I dont think nearly as many people would be pissed off if they simply offered guba for what it is , but the whole "selling" part of guba is the ability to search for copyright material and see it before you buy.. If they simply sold it as a program to access usenet easier , they would have no buyers or alot less anyways. By hosting and displaying copyright material as "examples" of what you will get when you buy a membership , it makes it an easy sell . __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

02-20-2006, 11:17 PM	#6
chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	Please fucking sue them. Everyone is talking about it, just fucking do it and watch as you accomplish the same thing as sending a C&D. A slap on the wrist and an order to take your shit down, pretty much what a friendly phone call would accomplish come to think of it. GUBA cannot police every damn item on newsgroups. Does this mean that no company in the world can start the service they have? Nope it just means you're an idiot. __________________ Sign up here - Dating Site affiliate program

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Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	Yep. It's like if Google started to charge for their images search. Guba's been around for a while so how come peeps are just now getting upset about it? __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-20-2006, 11:12 PM	#2
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Class action? I'm in.

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02-20-2006, 11:21 PM	#12
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	http://pub.pictureview.com/pvidx/gro...-Alpha100.html PictureView has been selling memberships for years. Everyone's content is on there too. They use the "we're just providing a viewer to access newsgroups" cop out. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

02-20-2006, 11:23 PM	#15
Kroy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 413	Ah, missed seeing their skin. What were they thinking?! haha __________________ Kroy The Invisible Hand Say Hello "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones..." - S. Yamani

02-20-2006, 11:23 PM	#16
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Probably falls under non compliancy with 2257. Makes ya wonder how they got an account in the first place. GUBA oughtah be turned off like a long ass time ago. So clearly dudes with money got to together and planned this out. To steel from hard working people of course. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \| Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 02-20-2006 at 11:26 PM..

02-20-2006, 11:25 PM	#17
Tat2Jr Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sunny California Posts: 4,882	When you RE-ENCODE content off the newsgroups into Ipod and PSP formats... that's when they aren't just providing access to the newsgroups anymore. There's NO defense to them re-encoding videos into another format. That's theft... plain and simple. __________________ NICHE MONEY >> Ass Worship • Panties • Solo Teen • Pantyhose Serving up exclusive fetish sites since 1997!

02-20-2006, 11:31 PM	#20
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Chadgini, can I ask you a question? What is your stake in this issue? You've taken a rather rabidly opposing viewpoint here in defence of GUBA, I'm wondering why. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

02-20-2006, 11:43 PM	#26
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	has anyone written or called verisign about this?

02-20-2006, 11:44 PM	#27
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,503	I told you about it when I was in Winnipeg. It was just a matter of time before it got the public's attention. I imagine GUBA's wallet is pretty deep by now, after all, they don't have content to license WG __________________ I play with Google.

02-20-2006, 11:49 PM	#30
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I imagine that much of the content I produced from '99 to 2002 is on there as well. Haven't looked, but since it's been up on my former client's website for 5 years now I wouldn't be at all surprised to find some of it there. Of course, I already made my money from it, but that former client of mine might be a tad pissed to find any part of that rather expensive custom conent he purchased back then was being used by GUBA, with them charging fees to see them. Oh good heaven's, am I starting to lean towards one side of this argument?? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

02-20-2006, 11:53 PM	#33
PussyTeenies Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Haarlem and Amsterdam, capital of the porn world ;-) Posts: 6,496	bump for a "good" idea __________________ Need adult hosting? Contact us! WARM Hosting Need an IT solution? or someone to check your site and security? Nossie - IT Professional

02-20-2006, 11:57 PM	#35
Alex So Fucking Banned (YEA!!) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 10,963	Listen if you are serious. Talk to your lawyer or one on this matter. Before your shit even goes to court they will apologize and remove that content. Thats only a few pictures out of its 4million dattbase. You think all 1000+ webmasters are going to sue. Just my :twocents Talk to a lawyer __________________ Care about me? Who? Me! Who?

02-21-2006, 12:04 AM	#44
J-Reel Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Boneprone's guest house Posts: 3,782	WTF! Hardcore J? __________________ Scheck out the new girls at www.hawtmoney.com ICQ 177-447-671