Doesn't GUBA steal content? - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 02-20-2006, 02:11 PM

Have we sunk even lower that advertisers who's product is built on the theft of paysites content is advertising on GFY?

Are the advertisers even screened or is it just ok if they pay enough?

fuzzylogic · 02-20-2006, 02:13 PM

NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT

they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay

Fizzgig · 02-20-2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT

they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay

Greed will justify almost anything, won't it?

Brujah · 02-20-2006, 02:19 PM

Guba is ok. Imagecash not. Fusker not. Right ?

polish_aristocrat · 02-20-2006, 02:27 PM

i dont even know exactly what Guba is

( waiting for the n00b comments )

Brad Gosse · 02-20-2006, 02:28 PM

Does Kazaa steal content? No the users do.

High Plains Drifter · 02-20-2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT

they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay

Stay tuned for the new Emule skin!

jimthefiend · 02-20-2006, 02:29 PM

Guba is a small shitty island about 90 miles of the Florida coast.

Right? Did I win?

jayeff · 02-20-2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

Have we sunk even lower that advertisers who's product is built on the theft of paysites content is advertising on GFY?

Are the advertisers even screened or is it just ok if they pay enough?

The answers are implicit in your questions. I'll look in again in a week...

woj · 02-20-2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

Guba is ok. Imagecash not. Fusker not. Right ?

It's 'ok' because there is money to be made from it. Unlike the other 2 sites you described. When you can make $100 per paid member, it doesn't matter if the content is 'stolen'.

After Shock Media · 02-20-2006, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

It's 'ok' because there is money to be made from it. Unlike the other 2 sites you described. When you can make $100 per paid member, it doesn't matter if the content is 'stolen'.

Unless it is your content.
Unless you have some ethics and do not appreciate having your own stuff used for profit without compensation.

woj · 02-20-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Unless it is your content.
Unless you have some ethics and do not appreciate having your own stuff used for profit without compensation.

yea, but who cares about minor details like that when you can make some nice $$$ from it. (by the way in case it wasn't obvious, I was being sarcastic in that first post)

xclusive · 02-20-2006, 02:48 PM

I would never use them

After Shock Media · 02-20-2006, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

yea, but who cares about minor details like that when you can make some nice $$$ from it. (by the way in case it wasn't obvious, I was being sarcastic in that first post)

My sarcasm radar is offline today for maintenance. It should be brought back online once this skin has expired.

QuaWee · 02-20-2006, 02:50 PM

edited....

RawAlex · 02-20-2006, 02:51 PM

"GUBA is not a primary producer of Usenet content and is therefore exempt from the provisions of 18 U.S.C. hahaha167;2257"

GUBA is effectively a newsgroup re-seller in a nice package, from what I can tell.

Alex

Brujah · 02-20-2006, 02:59 PM

Tons of great spread eagle Tawnee Stone pics on Guba.

DamageX · 02-20-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

"GUBA is not a primary producer of Usenet content and is therefore exempt from the provisions of 18 U.S.C. hahaha167;2257"

GUBA is effectively a newsgroup re-seller in a nice package, from what I can tell.

Alex

So they don't steal themselves, they just resell the stolen goods. Or better yet, charge you for letting you have access to the thieves' database.

Linkster · 02-20-2006, 03:02 PM

Guba's been around longer than most of you here - they are just one of many Usenet search services that sprung up back in the 90s - however from what Ive seen Guba actually does respect the DRM labelling to catch copyright theft and does respect (and take down anything that you let them know about) although you really cant do anything about the Usenet posting - unless youre like most of the bigger/smarter programs that use it to their advantage for free advertising.
Some rather large programs out there do daily postings to the newsgroups with their media/pics and have a fantastic return because of it - just depends on how you market your stuff and if you can figure out that this mode of advertising is actually a better ratio producer than affiliates sales.
Thieves??? Nahhh - just smart

justsexxx · 02-20-2006, 03:04 PM

They don't steal. It's like: Many thieves steal cars. And I offer space, to ppl can look at the stolen cars, and enjoy them. Of course you have to pay me some money so you can view/use the cars...

RawAlex · 02-20-2006, 03:06 PM

Linkster, once they start taking material out of context (out of the newgroup posting) and resell only the content, they are not just providing access to usenet (as google does) but are in fact stripping and reselling the content.

Plenty of the video stuff on that site comes from P2P network. I don't suspect that they have resale rights for shows like Gilligans Island or MASH.

If this isn't over the line, it is sitting right on it.

Alex

Nookster · 02-20-2006, 03:07 PM

My experience with guba: I tried sending traffic to them for weeks...not one single click was recorded.

defresto · 02-20-2006, 03:09 PM

They don't do as much harm as P2P.
But yes the content is stolen.
They sell not the content itself, but a service to access stolen content.

From my point of view the most important is if a site makes harm to the industry. P2P does. Usenet does. GUBA itself - doesn't make that much harm as the ammount it's customers is not as big as P2P.

Often when people see images in Usenet they come to the website and buy a membership. So it's really important if GUBA has full-sets and movies.

RawAlex · 02-20-2006, 03:12 PM

defresto, so because they only steal a little, they are acceptable? So you can kill people as long as a mass murder does more?

theft is theft, regardless.

Alex

u-Bob · 02-20-2006, 03:24 PM

can't wait for a fusker skin

Forkbeard · 02-20-2006, 03:26 PM

Somebody's got to speak up for GUBA, since there seems to be a lot of hatred and misunderstanding going on. I guess I'm a good somebody to speak up, since GUBA sends me a huge check every two weeks.

Long story short: Don't believe all these folks who slam GUBA. The "stolen content" rap is total bullshit; in the niches I promote, the *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups is actually put there by the content owners to drive traffic to their websites.

Remember, GUBA is just a friendly interface to the paleolithic part of the internet. Usenet newsgroups, the uncensorable built-to-survive-nuclear-war part. GUBA sells no content and thus is in no position to steal any. It's just an easy way to get at the newsgroups for folks who aren't techie wizards.

I've had dinner with GUBA's head lawyer, and I'll tell you what: they have the legal shit covered. There's nothing illegal in what they are doing; if there were, some of the rich loudmouths here on GFY would have already sued them back to the stone age.

Now for the good part: As an affiliate, GUBA is simply awesome to deal with. GUBA has been very very good to me. Their recurring billings are particularly sweet -- they recur at much higher percentages than anything else I've ever promoted. As for service, they are always johnny-on-the-spot for me by email or phone whenever I have a question or issue.

Quality folks to deal with, great conversions, and the best rebills I've ever encountered. What's not to like?

My advice: Ignore the haters, and give GUBA a try.

Pornwolf · 02-20-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Tons of great spread eagle Tawnee Stone pics on Guba.

Heh heh, I see you are baiting Steve.

EdgeXXX · 02-20-2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

So they don't steal themselves, they just resell the stolen goods. Or better yet, charge you for letting you have access to the thieves' database.

Exactly...

defresto · 02-20-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

defresto, so because they only steal a little, they are acceptable? So you can kill people as long as a mass murder does more?

theft is theft, regardless.

Alex

Alex, i don't like the model of GUBA.
I am not an affiliate of them and won't promote them.
The most important for me is the health of the industry.
When i started it was much easier to convert traffic.
So i spoke about the harm to the industry in general.

Brujah · 02-20-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Heh heh, I see you are baiting Steve.

No, really. Guba's filled with all the lightspeed girls. See for yourself.

Great pics.

Mutt · 02-20-2006, 03:47 PM

GUBA boggles my mind - they don't just provide access to Usenet the way an ISP does - they create thumbnails of the hundreds of thousands of the photos and videos posted to the newsgroups and host those thumbnails on their own servers - and charge money partly for that service - each thumbnail is a copyright infringement the way I read the law - but apparently
it's not that cut and dry because GUBA and the other sites like it continue to thrive. copyright cases involving Usenet are very complicated - it is much easier to track down and sue an individual who posts copyrighted material to Usenet then to sue a GUBA or Google. It may be such a daunting task that GUBA has never been sued. GUBA is in not like Kazaa.

i just find this very ironic because Playboy who owns this board now are notorious for protecting their copyrights anywhere and everywhere including Usenet.

Babaganoosh · 02-20-2006, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

The "stolen content" rap is total bullshit; in the niches I promote, the *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups
is actually put there by the content owners to drive traffic to their websites.

Bullshit. The *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups is put there by kids and young adults who have stolen/traded the content. It's a hobby for them. Remember Napster? They claimed that new artists used Napster to promote themselves. Do you really think that the *vast* majority of the music was put there by the artist to gain publicity? I think not. This really isn't much different. GUBA is theft, plain and simple.

mikeyddddd · 02-20-2006, 03:52 PM

So there's no problem if I head over to GUBA, download the shit there, upload it to my sites and charge people to access it?

Sweeeeet

karlm · 02-20-2006, 03:57 PM

Im suprised they have a skin here i must say

crockett · 02-20-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karlm

Im suprised they have a skin here i must say

It's pretty fucked up to say the least.. I'm surprised more program owners aren't putting some pressure on them.

sinnerscorner · 02-20-2006, 04:22 PM

I am also surprised this ad is showed here. This sort of 'services' are killing
sales for most of us I guess. We all know there is a lot of free porn on the net
and on newsgroups but making it easy (search) for the user who is not aware of this yet is a big mistake imho.

Assume a movie is posted in alt.movies.somehwere.hotpornmovies.foobar
which is grabbed by a member and posted on a newsgroup the movie
does not have DRM. Will it it appear on GUBA?

If it does GUBA must have a conversion rate which is very high I think as
they have new content coming in at a very fast rate.

Still I will never promote them.

Just my 2 ...

EBV · 02-20-2006, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i just find this very ironic because Playboy who owns this board now are notorious for protecting their copyrights anywhere and everywhere including Usenet.

Guba does not offer access to the (very popular) Playboy newsgroups, so maybe Guba is not insensitive for lawsuit threats?

u-Bob · 02-20-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

GUBA boggles my mind - they don't just provide access to Usenet the way an ISP does - they create thumbnails of the hundreds of thousands of the photos and videos posted to the newsgroups and host those thumbnails on their own servers - and charge money partly for that service - each thumbnail is a copyright infringement

what he said.

02-20-2006, 02:11 PM	#1
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02-20-2006, 02:19 PM	#4
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Guba is ok. Imagecash not. Fusker not. Right ? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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fuzzylogic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: buffalo, las vegas. icq: 285808879 Posts: 4,796	NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	"GUBA is not a primary producer of Usenet content and is therefore exempt from the provisions of 18 U.S.C. hahaha167;2257" GUBA is effectively a newsgroup re-seller in a nice package, from what I can tell. Alex

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Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Tons of great spread eagle Tawnee Stone pics on Guba. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

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Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Guba's been around longer than most of you here - they are just one of many Usenet search services that sprung up back in the 90s - however from what Ive seen Guba actually does respect the DRM labelling to catch copyright theft and does respect (and take down anything that you let them know about) although you really cant do anything about the Usenet posting - unless youre like most of the bigger/smarter programs that use it to their advantage for free advertising. Some rather large programs out there do daily postings to the newsgroups with their media/pics and have a fantastic return because of it - just depends on how you market your stuff and if you can figure out that this mode of advertising is actually a better ratio producer than affiliates sales. Thieves??? Nahhh - just smart __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	They don't steal. It's like: Many thieves steal cars. And I offer space, to ppl can look at the stolen cars, and enjoy them. Of course you have to pay me some money so you can view/use the cars... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

02-20-2006, 03:06 PM	#21
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Linkster, once they start taking material out of context (out of the newgroup posting) and resell only the content, they are not just providing access to usenet (as google does) but are in fact stripping and reselling the content. Plenty of the video stuff on that site comes from P2P network. I don't suspect that they have resale rights for shows like Gilligans Island or MASH. If this isn't over the line, it is sitting right on it. Alex

02-20-2006, 03:07 PM	#22
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02-20-2006, 03:09 PM	#23
defresto Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 317	They don't do as much harm as P2P. But yes the content is stolen. They sell not the content itself, but a service to access stolen content. From my point of view the most important is if a site makes harm to the industry. P2P does. Usenet does. GUBA itself - doesn't make that much harm as the ammount it's customers is not as big as P2P. Often when people see images in Usenet they come to the website and buy a membership. So it's really important if GUBA has full-sets and movies.

02-20-2006, 03:12 PM	#24
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	defresto, so because they only steal a little, they are acceptable? So you can kill people as long as a mass murder does more? theft is theft, regardless. Alex

02-20-2006, 03:24 PM	#25
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02-20-2006, 03:26 PM	#26
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	Somebody's got to speak up for GUBA, since there seems to be a lot of hatred and misunderstanding going on. I guess I'm a good somebody to speak up, since GUBA sends me a huge check every two weeks. Long story short: Don't believe all these folks who slam GUBA. The "stolen content" rap is total bullshit; in the niches I promote, the vast majority of the content in the newsgroups is actually put there by the content owners to drive traffic to their websites. Remember, GUBA is just a friendly interface to the paleolithic part of the internet. Usenet newsgroups, the uncensorable built-to-survive-nuclear-war part. GUBA sells no content and thus is in no position to steal any. It's just an easy way to get at the newsgroups for folks who aren't techie wizards. I've had dinner with GUBA's head lawyer, and I'll tell you what: they have the legal shit covered. There's nothing illegal in what they are doing; if there were, some of the rich loudmouths here on GFY would have already sued them back to the stone age. Now for the good part: As an affiliate, GUBA is simply awesome to deal with. GUBA has been very very good to me. Their recurring billings are particularly sweet -- they recur at much higher percentages than anything else I've ever promoted. As for service, they are always johnny-on-the-spot for me by email or phone whenever I have a question or issue. Quality folks to deal with, great conversions, and the best rebills I've ever encountered. What's not to like? My advice: Ignore the haters, and give GUBA a try. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	GUBA boggles my mind - they don't just provide access to Usenet the way an ISP does - they create thumbnails of the hundreds of thousands of the photos and videos posted to the newsgroups and host those thumbnails on their own servers - and charge money partly for that service - each thumbnail is a copyright infringement the way I read the law - but apparently it's not that cut and dry because GUBA and the other sites like it continue to thrive. copyright cases involving Usenet are very complicated - it is much easier to track down and sue an individual who posts copyrighted material to Usenet then to sue a GUBA or Google. It may be such a daunting task that GUBA has never been sued. GUBA is in not like Kazaa. i just find this very ironic because Playboy who owns this board now are notorious for protecting their copyrights anywhere and everywhere including Usenet. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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02-20-2006, 04:22 PM	#36
sinnerscorner Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 194	I am also surprised this ad is showed here. This sort of 'services' are killing sales for most of us I guess. We all know there is a lot of free porn on the net and on newsgroups but making it easy (search) for the user who is not aware of this yet is a big mistake imho. Assume a movie is posted in alt.movies.somehwere.hotpornmovies.foobar which is grabbed by a member and posted on a newsgroup the movie does not have DRM. Will it it appear on GUBA? If it does GUBA must have a conversion rate which is very high I think as they have new content coming in at a very fast rate. Still I will never promote them. Just my 2 ... __________________ -- ok there is no sig here --