vidsweb

I'm a movie gallery submitter.

I buy my own movie content sets, I have my own domain, and I pay for my own hosting.

I go to TGPs and I see them posting peoples galleries with content that is so obviously stolen and that are hosted on numbered IPs (which probably means they are hosting it on their home computer on a DSL/cable connection). Or they post galleries that are hotlinking their pics/movies from someone else.

I wish TGPs would stop supporting the cheaters in this industry.

Amplitude

I wish I had a pet rhino and 4 billion bucks....

wishin' ain't a real stable source of solutions.

SR

Agreed man.
I do movie galleries too and I can't say I like it when I see galleries listed higher then me with stolen content hosted on shaw.ca or aol.com and such.

vidsweb

I don't really have a solution myself, but it would be nice to see some leadership from the big TGPs.

If they get like 2000+ submissions a day, is it that hard to find enough legitimate galleries to use for your daily list of new galleries?

Are they so desperate for galleries that they need to post ones that are stealing content and bandwidth?

chodadog

Hey dude. I understand what you're saying.. but just how are we supposed to decide what's stolen and what's not? Do you have any idea how long it would take for me to ask for a license each time somebody posted? Or how many submissions i'd actually get if i did demand a license! You can't say something is "obviously" stolen. It could just be some guy who has a host, and didn't register a domain name. Who needs a domain name for a gallery anyways? Anyways.. point is.. it's near impossible to police it.

Sure, i'd try anything reasonable to eliminate as many stolen gallery pages as possible, but i just don't see how i could.

vidsweb

Chodadog, I know what your saying, its hard to know for sure if the content is stolen, but I mean, if you see a movie gallery that has Silvia Saint movies on it (or some other porn star)....I would say there is a 99% chance that its solen content.

Does anyone know any content provider that sells Silvia Saint mpeg content sets that allow TGP posting?

roadtrip

With downloadable content what ya gonna do?
It's not like there is a license to post with the sets.

If you think they're stolen, notify the rights holder.

Now what I want from the low life TGP masters is
to stop selling/abusing MY email. Brand new account
setup just for TGP submits and only TGP submits.
Time to first spam, 7 hours!

Theo

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FlyingIguana

i find it hard to believe that someone can't buy silvia saint movies.

maybe we need to come up with a way to show that we have licensed content. not sure how it could be done, cuss content thieves could just do the same thing and make it look licensed.

vidsweb

I've definitely never found any content providers that sell Silvia Saint movie content.

FlyingIguana

doesn't mean they're not out there hehe

vidsweb

Here is an example of licensed content:

http://www.adult-movie-station.net/2509/movies.htm


Here is an example of content that is probably stolen:

http://www.monstercockvideos.com/tgp/28/5713.html


Both of these galleries were listed at Video-Post


I can sure see the difference....licenced content is rarely so professionally made like that second gallery

pr0

IT'S NOT FAIR!!!

lol

roadtrip

Wo wo wo, hold on there partener, just cause you
don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good. (to steal
from Mike Muir)

A Canon digital hi8 can give you some kick ass vids
if you've got the right lighting gear hangin around.
Quality doesn't mean it has to be a theft, he may
have just bested you on a content purchase.

If you're really losing sleep over it though, the adult
film distributors have some kind of association and
you can point them towards it. If it's copyright theft,
they'll take care of it good and quick.

SleazyDream

Hold onto your integrity. Guys that steal content will get caught.

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Muff

http://www.adultlegal.com/cgi-bin/sh...02452387010887

I can find alot more aswell.

Muff

I agree with you guys though.

I bet alot of the guys doing movie galleries don't have licenses for their content.

Hot Tropical Babes

I am one of the first to ban a cheater, But How do I know if his content is stolen or not? I dont list every tom dick or harry either, (no pun intended) I try to be real picky, but again, I dont have time to check out where every individual gets his content. any ideas? I get so many movies posted to my sites a day, it would be impossible to check out each one.

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hyper

make them post a link to their license maybe?

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Hot Tropical Babes

Ok, I have an idea, if you see one posted "higher" than you ,, and it is stolen content, email the webmaster, I am sure they'll give you the higher spot!

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FlyingIguana

lol, u'll spend more time investigating licensees than approving galleries

FlyingIguana

another thing, a link to the license might be a pain in the ass. like ounique, u fax in your license and that covers your future purchases. i haven't bought more sets from them as of yet so don't know what documention they give after the first set.

just checked, they gave me a model license, but it doesn't have any info about me at all. never knew what summer cummings real name was before

vidsweb

Well, I know its hard, but if I were a TGP owner, I would be very suspicious of any galleries that get submitted from freehosts.

If they aren't willing to pay for hosting, chances are they aren't paying for their content either.

vidsweb

What bothers me the most is seeing galleries get posted that link to pics/movies on a server with an IP number. They're just stealing bandwidth from their internet provider, while I'm trying to be legitimate and pay for mine.

Hot Tropical Babes

Thats a matter of opinion. There are some good free hosts out there. I dont take too many of them anymore, but there are a couple I really like. I have used free hosting a while back, all my content is legal. Some people simply can't afford paid hosting, or they split the page with free host. I prefer galleries on paid hosting, some are cleaner and at times better designed. its all a matter of opinion. I do see your point. by the same token, its hard to check everyones licenses.

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chodadog

Dude, that doesn't mean they're hosting directly from their ISP. You don't need a domain to host your site.. You can just get a server.

Back to the point though. Seriously, if there was a way to easily detect stolen stuff.. He'll, i'd decline the fuckers and report 'em to whoever deals with this shit. Simple fact is, there is no easy way. Someone buys licensed content, and puts it on a shitty looking gallery 'cause their design skills suck. Another guy steals the content, but his design skills are awesome and look more professional. How the hell am i supposed to know which is real, and which is stolen, and even if one is stolen content in the first place!

If you have content being stolen. You should report them. Afterall, you're the only person that's going to know. I sure as hell ain't going to know am i? It's completely unreasonable to expect TGP owners to police the copyright issues involved with galleries. And for one simple reason, it's fucking impossible.

damac

I think this sucks also. I see allot of bigger sites that don't seem to make decisions that are right.

I have seen some sites own recips and banners with pornstar content from popular movies.


And I can't say for sure this is so, but do companies that make most of the mainstream porn videos even license them for web use?

I haven't seen companies like vivid, adam and eve, blah blah blah license out their shit to webmasters. If so where are they? I don't see them at content brokers or the sites of those companies.

I think its like the celeb bs. their are still lots of sites, I see allot of avs premium sites, that use celeb content that for sure is not licensable when its hollywood films.

yet allot of movie posts I see are posting these galleries and tons of mainstream porn clips from the major pornstars like jenna.

when I see that stuff I know they haven't licensed it and the webmasters of these sites should know better, but they do it to please their surfers which sucks.

also hard to compete with those bastards that keep posting the shit and don't seem to get busted.

vidsweb

yeah damac, I know what you mean....when I see pornstar galleries (especially movie galleries) I'm extremely suspicious.

There is very little legitimate pornstar video content out there licensed for webmasters to post to TGPs

chodadog

I agree about video content, to an extent. But there still ain't much a webmaster can do to verify whether or not the content is licensed or not. My site is only for pic galleries though, so i don't have to deal with movies.

FlyingIguana

one thing ppl could do is add lil logo's or something to the movies and pics. might deter some of the ppl stealing the shit or if they don't notice, they get nailed.

but this will just stop the idiots from doing it.

The Hun

Just report to me when this happens. If the content is yours I'll send you all information I have on the person that submitted, a not will be sent to his sponsors and he will obviously be blacklisted from my site... I do not support cheaters. Of any kind.

vidsweb

Hey Hun, what about all those Celeb galleries I see listed at your site? Do you think thats licensed content?

Nano

I know what you mean. Actually that's what we are trying to avoid in the site we lounched today.

If users would know that in a TGP site there's only original and high quality content they would always visit it, and that's the reason we started this.

Who knows, maybe one day we will have your galleries in the top in our data base :-)

Cheers and good luck
Nano

Ludedude

Indeed! See threads today on our favorite PROVEN cheater, sasush. What goes around comes around.

Paul Markham

With the new ruling of Perfect 10/AC it is easy to stop these guys. If you think some one has stolen your content, serve a DMCA notice. If he fails to respond serve it on his ISP, Host and the affiliate and anyone else profiting from the site. See how quick it comes down.


chodadog
You now have to check the TGP if you are served a DMCA, the days are over where you can argue, "nothing to do with me, not my problem"

Vidsweb
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chodadog

Of course, if i was to receive a request to remove a gallery, i'd do so. Especially if the request was from the DMCA. But in regards to not approving galleries with stolen content.. quite simply put.. how the fuck should i know if the content is stolen or not! Believe me! if i knew, i wouldn't approve them! what more CAN i do?

Rip

I won't accept most galleries that don't have embedded urls on the pics or else a copyright licensing statement.

It's not much but most thiefs don't take the time to do stuff like that.

Movie galleries are probably alot tougher to embed a url on.

Unlike music, nobody's gonna go in front of a congess comittee saying porn theft and trading is a problem, so it's up to webmasters to try and fix it

personally, I think it's probably too late, and already impossible to fix

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Nothing, that is plenty good enough.

If you get a legal notice and the poster can not supply you with the right documents, he has already ignored his notice, then pull him.

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LoveAsianChicks

TGP owners do not want to post pics that were stolen, but how the fuck does someone know if the pics are stolen or not?

Anyone can find a license and copy it down on their own page. How would a TGP owners be able to verify if its real or not?
Spend 2-3 minutes per gallery to verify.
With 1000 submissions that is = 33 hours just verify copyright. (Get real)

Content places can sue the thiefs who steal your pics. I've heard you can sue for like 50X the cost it took to make the pics anways.
Just spend part of your day looking for thieves and you make bank each time you catch one.

Don't bitch to tgp owners unless you have a solution that only takes a few minutes (total) to verify if the pics are stolen or not. It is YOUR concern people are stealing from you.

linkrotator

yeah!

damac

can somebody explain to a retard like me how in the fuck allot of these pic and movie post webmasters DO NOT know a gallery submitted with celebrity shit is unlicensed content?

since when is mgm, fox, mtv, etc. license their content out to any webmaster?


that is basically the same thing with the hardcore porn star stuff, unless its from some sponsor program.


So these guys running these sites know damn well they are taking part in illegal activities, but do it cause they are thinking from a surfers point of view.

Considering they profit from all the ads and shit I think it could be said they are conspirators in that shit.


I know its probably hard to tell with some movie stuff but allot of these same sites that say they don't do this and that still post the celeb stuff and to me thats just as bad.

Im not a cheater and won't post unlicensed content. so I have to compete for spots at these sites run by guys I really don't like, and who are wrong, but thats the game I guess.


I really cannot believe all these big sites support the shit and this still goes on. they are looking through posts and approving them and don't see a problem with it.

I guess everybody is so used to being a surfer and wanting to find all this crap that they dont see a problem with it if its out their.

I guess these big guys don't give a fuck about running a business legitly and doing the right thing, even if the law won't come knocking at their door directly.


My take is if alyssa milano and all those other cases we have heard about, can go after webmasters posting sites on the internet and making money from sponsors, why in the fuck cant the tgp sites? These big guys know the game and are taking part in the bullshit and should be sued also. What they are doing is just as bad.


this topic pisses me off after looking at some more of the big tgp sites current listings....

LoveAsianChicks

damac - Yes celeb content is mostly copyrighted and the tgp owner knows it, but not all tgps post celeb pics.
What about content that is not celeb or a famous pornstar???

Here is gallery I personally do not like the layout, ads, and the quality is low!
but take a look:
http://www.sweet-tits.com/personal8/...78/asian10.htm
Open it up, and explain how to quickly tell if this person owns the rights or just stole it.

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daman420

not trying to say stealing content is right... BUT.. none of you guys download mp3s or use warez? How the fuck do you think programmers or artists feel when they see all their work released on the net for free? CMON! u know you can't copyright shit on the web... GET REAL.

Deb

Just an F.Y.I. here - anytime you find stolen adult content on an AOL members site, all you need to do is email the offending URL to AOL's TOS department at: [email protected] & report the site for containing pornographic content. Since AOL does not knowingly allow porn on their member websites, they will shut down the offending site. They usually shut it down within an hour.

Sure, this person can go and put the stolen content up on another free host, but at least for a short while, you've burst his bubble.

chodadog

Well, i can do that :D

Can i just forward whatever information i have on the webmaster to the DMCA, and remove his gallery.. and be done with it?

Steve

http://www.sweet-tits.com/personal8/...78/asian10.htm

this is a Terra.Es gallery
Terra is a known haven for cheating scum, so right off the bat, it should be kicked back.

I don't know what people expect TGP/Link List owners to do about stolen content. I mean, 50% of the reviews are NOT done by the owner of the sites (most big sites have a team that help out with submit reviews), and almost every site will co-operate if a content proveder/paysite operator contacts them with a complaint.

I've only been contacted a few times over the past few years about linking to a gallery with stolen content. Every time, I have done what ever I could to help the guy who was ripped off. I have also e-mailed guys using stolen Suze Randall pics telling them about her program (pics4clicks). That normally brings her in another webmaster, and stops him from stealing. If he still submits stolen shit, I e-mail their webmistress the URL.

Posting license info on the gallery? I don't think it is a great idea. Surfers like to click. Next thing you know, we'll have more newbies.

With all the free content out there right now, why, I mean WHY, do guys still steal shit? Just dumb.