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JenUncut · 02-09-2006, 10:11 AM

Im fairly new to the biz and am very curious as to why so many affilates prefer NATS over CCBill? I really would love to know the answer to this one.

Thanks In Advance,
Jen

seeric · 02-09-2006, 10:12 AM

lets see who drops the S bomb in here first.

JenUncut · 02-09-2006, 10:17 AM

lol I take it this is gonna be a good one? hehehe maybe I shouldnt have posted the question? LMAO. Gotta give the newbies a break once in awhile

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Jen

andrej_NDC · 02-09-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JenUncut

Im fairly new to the biz and am very curious as to why so many affilates prefer NATS over CCBill?

actually...affiliates with the most traffic dont give a fuck about such things

Jace · 02-09-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

actually...affiliates with the most traffic dont give a fuck about such things

exactly...most of the time it is the affiliates pushing very little traffic that bitch and moan

JenUncut · 02-09-2006, 10:31 AM

Actually we have been doing a small amount of sales from a few of the programs we signed up at and some are ccbill. I prefer knowing my check is coming every week the same time as my subscribtion check. Kind of convienet I think. I am sure that stats are are better with NATS?

Thanks (keep informing, lol)
Jen

seven · 02-09-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JenUncut

Im fairly new to the biz and am very curious as to why so many affilates prefer NATS over CCBill? I really would love to know the answer to this one.

Thanks In Advance,
Jen

NATS cascades thru different processors plus they have a good traffic tracking system I believe however, using NATS won't mean the sponsor sites will convert better. If a sponsor site converts well and use a solid tracking system I don't personally care who their processor is

TheJimmy · 02-09-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K

lets see who drops the S bomb in here first.

oh man, if someone's gonna do it, I'll do it...

The "S"crub Bomb here it comes...

They are known to scrub the bad-boy credit card list harder than any other so you may see less transactions than other processors who are more liberal with that scrubbing process.

HOWEVER, from how it was explained to me, they are doing it for 2 reasons.

1) They are in business for the long haul and ensuring that potentially fraudulent transactions are screened out which is good for all parties involved from an ethical business perspective.

and

2) They are saving you two things, bandwidth thieves that will end up tearing through your site just to ask for a chargeback in the end, and the negative impact of running a site with a high % of chargebacks.

Those are two pretty valid points there imo...

If you don't give a flip about all that and just want a crapload of processes, get an account with someone else and you will probably see an increase in sheer # of transactions processed...

HOWEVER, I have to say this, from my brief exposure to ccbill, their employees, hosting company and whatnot......they are a rocking ass company. The service reps there will totally hook you up, and they are a very reputable company in it for the 'long haul.'

Best suggestion I could offer is don't go with 'one' processor, get 2-3 and cascade that stuff...check out NATS, etc...

imageman · 02-09-2006, 10:38 AM

With all the posts about CCBILL's stats or lack of them im surprised a company like this has not made some effort to improve or upgrade their stats to bring them in line with Nats ?

Jakke PNG · 02-09-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by imageman

With all the posts about CCBILL's stats or lack of them im surprised a company like this has not made some effort to improve or upgrade their stats to bring them in line with Nats ?

I can sort of imagine why though.
Nats = stats for 1 program
CCBill = Absolutely fucking massive db of signups/hits etc for all the sites they process.

I'm sure they could do a good system if they wanted, but they have tools to give out for people (like nats) to do the software for them. Any CCBill-only sponsor COULD do better stats with the tools ccbill provides. It just takes effort and money.. so many opt to go with nats and get cascading while they're at it.

Kimmykim · 02-09-2006, 11:42 AM

Jen,
CCBill is a processor, NATS is a stats system. You can't use NATS without using a processor like CCBill or Paycom.

In order to collect money from subscribers you have to have processing. (Forgive me if you know all this, it just seems from your thread post, you're a little unsure of what's going on)

I'd suggest you sign up for both a Paycom and a CCBill account if you are going to use NATS and see which one has better results overall, then make them your primary. NATS allows you to do this very easily.

JenUncut · 02-09-2006, 12:14 PM

Hey, Thanks everyone! I was so curious as to what was behind it all. Looked into NATS but, it is def not something I can afford to do right now, yowsa, hehehe. Hopefully, some of the affilate pps can excuse my CCBill use, lol. Is this really going to hurt me?

Hugs,
Jen

Kimmykim · 02-09-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JenUncut

Hey, Thanks everyone! I was so curious as to what was behind it all. Looked into NATS but, it is def not something I can afford to do right now, yowsa, hehehe. Hopefully, some of the affilate pps can excuse my CCBill use, lol. Is this really going to hurt me?

Hugs,
Jen

Not if you have good conversions, decent retention and a reasonable payout. ;)

Porko · 02-09-2006, 01:33 PM

i have some great converting sponsors with ccbill...

3M TA3 · 02-09-2006, 01:48 PM

This is a great thread. I've been searching for and pondering some of this information as well.

My question is this. Why would a processor decline a sale or rebill unless it was in the best interest of all parties? The processor makes money too off of each sale, and they will get a charge back if they rebill without giving access to the subscription.

Is there something that I'm missing?

Kimmykim · 02-09-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 3M TA3

This is a great thread. I've been searching for and pondering some of this information as well.

My question is this. Why would a processor decline a sale or rebill unless it was in the best interest of all parties? The processor makes money too off of each sale, and they will get a charge back if they rebill without giving access to the subscription.

Is there something that I'm missing?

Processors don't decline rebills. Rebills don't go through fraud scrubbing again. Rebills are declined by the bank or the issuing card bank. Most processors will hold the rebill and retry it on a soft decline -- ie Insufficient Funds on the card -- for a number of days after the original rebill date.

Expired cards, deactivated, lost, stolen, closed by the bank, etc are worthless since there's nothing you can do with any of those things after the fact.

Fraud scrubbing on sales is a different animal and its what keeps people in business. If you can't stay within the allowed limits set by the card associations, then you lose your ability to process transactions.

The more affiliates you have, the more cheating goes on, and the more that needs to be checked in order to make sure transactions are good. Depending on your account history (and specific affiliates account history on pass thru coding that identifies affiliates) your account may have higher scrubbing on it, and some affiliates may have higher scrubbing on them.

It's a very complicated process, since when you come to the point that you're in trouble with Visa or MC, it's damn near impossible to get out of trouble without paying high fines or getting terminated.

AmateurFlix · 02-09-2006, 04:47 PM

Sites using pro-level affiliate software (not freebie stuff given out by a processor) consistently make more money per click to galleries than those that rely upon ccbill's free tools. I'm not referring to per hit to sponsor, I'm referring to per hit to gallery.

There's a reason why most of the top programs use their own processing system or a NATS type system, have multiple cascading processors, and do not mimic the free ccbill system. It makes their affiliates more money and keeps them sending more sales, however it does initially cost the program alot more to set up.

seven · 02-09-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

Sites using pro-level affiliate software (not freebie stuff given out by a processor) consistently make more money per click to galleries than those that rely upon ccbill's free tools. I'm not referring to per hit to sponsor, I'm referring to per hit to gallery.

There's a reason why most of the top programs use their own processing system or a NATS type system, have multiple cascading processors, and do not mimic the free ccbill system. It makes their affiliates more money and keeps them sending more sales, however it does initially cost the program alot more to set up.

well said

uno · 02-09-2006, 05:15 PM

CCBill's tracking system is antiquated. A lot of people don't allow cookies and for various other reasons all sales aren't tracked, unlike the higher end 'cascading' systems out there.

Martin3 · 02-09-2006, 05:25 PM

Majority of my sales come from ccbill sites and I love getting my check every wednesday

They could really use some better stats, but as already stated for a processor that large it would be quite a task to implement and maintain.

02-09-2006, 10:11 AM	#1
JenUncut Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 194	Why not CCBill? Im fairly new to the biz and am very curious as to why so many affilates prefer NATS over CCBill? I really would love to know the answer to this one. Thanks In Advance, Jen

02-09-2006, 10:17 AM	#3
JenUncut Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 194	lol I take it this is gonna be a good one? hehehe maybe I shouldnt have posted the question? LMAO. Gotta give the newbies a break once in awhile) Jen

02-09-2006, 01:33 PM	#14
Porko SeeMyBucks.com Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USA Posts: 4,014	i have some great converting sponsors with ccbill... __________________

02-09-2006, 01:48 PM	#15
3M TA3 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 2,972	This is a great thread. I've been searching for and pondering some of this information as well. My question is this. Why would a processor decline a sale or rebill unless it was in the best interest of all parties? The processor makes money too off of each sale, and they will get a charge back if they rebill without giving access to the subscription. Is there something that I'm missing? __________________ Dedicated and colo hosting: ICQ 291313057 "A problem cannot be solved from the same consciousness that created it. We must learn to see the world anew." - Albert Einstein

02-09-2006, 04:47 PM	#17
AmateurFlix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,762	Sites using pro-level affiliate software (not freebie stuff given out by a processor) consistently make more money per click to galleries than those that rely upon ccbill's free tools. I'm not referring to per hit to sponsor, I'm referring to per hit to gallery. There's a reason why most of the top programs use their own processing system or a NATS type system, have multiple cascading processors, and do not mimic the free ccbill system. It makes their affiliates more money and keeps them sending more sales, however it does initially cost the program alot more to set up. __________________

02-09-2006, 10:12 AM	#2
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	lets see who drops the S bomb in here first.

02-09-2006, 10:31 AM	#6
JenUncut Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 194	Actually we have been doing a small amount of sales from a few of the programs we signed up at and some are ccbill. I prefer knowing my check is coming every week the same time as my subscribtion check. Kind of convienet I think. I am sure that stats are are better with NATS? Thanks (keep informing, lol) Jen

02-09-2006, 10:38 AM	#9
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	With all the posts about CCBILL's stats or lack of them im surprised a company like this has not made some effort to improve or upgrade their stats to bring them in line with Nats ?

02-09-2006, 11:42 AM	#11
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Jen, CCBill is a processor, NATS is a stats system. You can't use NATS without using a processor like CCBill or Paycom. In order to collect money from subscribers you have to have processing. (Forgive me if you know all this, it just seems from your thread post, you're a little unsure of what's going on) I'd suggest you sign up for both a Paycom and a CCBill account if you are going to use NATS and see which one has better results overall, then make them your primary. NATS allows you to do this very easily.

02-09-2006, 12:14 PM	#12
JenUncut Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 194	Hey, Thanks everyone! I was so curious as to what was behind it all. Looked into NATS but, it is def not something I can afford to do right now, yowsa, hehehe. Hopefully, some of the affilate pps can excuse my CCBill use, lol. Is this really going to hurt me? Hugs, Jen

02-09-2006, 05:15 PM	#19
uno RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Area Posts: 18,450	CCBill's tracking system is antiquated. A lot of people don't allow cookies and for various other reasons all sales aren't tracked, unlike the higher end 'cascading' systems out there. __________________ -uno icq: 111-914 CrazyBabe.com - porn art MojoHost - For all your hosting needs, present and future. Tell them I sent ya!

02-09-2006, 05:25 PM	#20
Martin3 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,529	Majority of my sales come from ccbill sites and I love getting my check every wednesday They could really use some better stats, but as already stated for a processor that large it would be quite a task to implement and maintain.