Its official: Sydney Crosby blows and so do Penguins !!!

[Phil]

Now that this pansy ass don?t have any one to play with he?s showing his originality.
I?m watching the B?s game right now and it?s sad to see that fucker. Nothing but big mouth? Fuck that .. Ovechkin for Calder!!!

[Spunky]

I think there was high expectations for him..He will eventually get even better but he won't win the Calder this year

[sickkittens]

You're pretty good yourself. Do you watch every Pens game?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by sickkittens

You're pretty good yourself. Do you watch every Pens game?

Every Caps and Pens game? Crosby is so fucking over rated?

[sickkittens]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Every Caps and Pens game?

Crosby is so fucking over rated?

He's 12th in the league in scoring. He's 18. He plays on a team w/ no supporting cast. Not bad if you ask me.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by sickkittens

He's 12th in the league in scoring. He's 18. He plays on a team w/ no supporting cast. Not bad if you ask me.

The only reason he?s doing that good is because he HAD THE cast.. Now that Palffy is gone, Lemeuex gone and he has to play with Armstrong and that other kid who name sounds like some soft of cheese from greek restaurant, he has done absolutely nothing. The only points he gets is from milking Recchi on PP ?

[northboy]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

The only reason he?s doing that good is because he HAD THE cast.. Now that Palffy is gone, Lemeuex gone and he has to play with Armstrong and that other kid who name sounds like some soft of cheese from greek restaurant, he has done absolutely nothing. The only points he gets is from milking Recchi on PP ?

he's got the moves, give him a couple of years to still grow and bulk up and he will be even better. He's got every skill needed to be a top scorer in the league, I just think he's not as big yet as he could be and should be stronger in front of the net. He's going to be a better two way player than ovechkin, that's for sure.

[Chong]

yeah crosby will be the man in the future, he does some tricky passes and can snipe it in too, especially on the PP... as sickkittens said he has the stats to back it up. the pens are slumping BIGTIME though hehe

about the supporting cast thing, hopefully the pens will get malkin next year (the #2 pick from a few years ago, l#1 superstar in the russian elite league).....too bad about ziggy palffy though

trading away young defenseman dick tarnstron was a big mistake as well

[Kevsh]

Imagine, the Penguins were one of the favourites to win the Cup this year according to betting lines in Vegas ... I didn't understand then what on earth they were smoking. They had a horrible team before and even adding Palffy and Crosby wasn't going to improve their defence or goaltending.

[WebairGerard]

relax! I am also a big time hockey fan. I watched many of his games. The kid is damn fucking good! But he is 18! That said by the time the season is over he would have had one hell of a good rookie year. So what if he isn't R.O.Y.? Enjoy watching Crosby become the best player in the league as time goes on. You will be thankful he is a Penguin!

As for other rookies the Rangers are doing quite well with Prucha and Lundquivst. Two very fine players.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by sickkittens

He's 12th in the league in scoring. He's 18. He plays on a team w/ no supporting cast. Not bad if you ask me.

Plus plays the PK and PP. Is an Assistant Capatain already, and is playing with nobody with a scoring touch. Give him Zubrus any day over these two guys.

[Axeman]

You just watch how much Malkin loves playing with Sid next year. The passes that Crosby is going to give Malkin will make people shudder.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Plus plays the PK and PP. Is an Assistant Capatain already, and is playing with nobody with a scoring touch. Give him Zubrus any day over these two guys.

PK? bwaaaaaaa.. You fucking kidding me. Crosby on D? I have better odds getting pregnant? hang your self for the sake of society..
Do you have any idea who Zubrus is and guys like LeClair, Recchi, palffy, lemeuex.. Do me a favor and fucking suffocate yourself with your own stinky ball sack?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

PK? bwaaaaaaa.. You fucking kidding me. Crosby on D? I have better odds getting pregnant? hang your self for the sake of society..

Then your obviously lying by saying you watch all Pens games. Are you disputing he plays serious time on the Penalty Kill? He is a far far far better 2 way player than Ovechkin.

Ovechkin = Bure
Sidney = Forsberg

If you want all flash, Ovechkin is your man. You want a player who can do it all then you want Sidney. Give Sid 2 years to bulk up and see what he does to the league as a 20 year old and gets time and experience playing with grown men like Ovechkin has in Russia for years.

Both are great players, but have very different roles.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You just watch how much Malkin loves playing with Sid next year. The passes that Crosby is going to give Malkin will make people shudder.

Asswhipe, I have seen more games with Malkin than you will ever see in you life? malkin will outshine two to one next year? given he?s willing to play for thispathetic tem. You do know (no you don?t) than Evgeni is getting paid 1.3 mill a year (with 13% flat income tax) versus 900K max for rookies in NHL.. Eat shit, idiot?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Ovechkin = Bure
Sidney = Forsberg

You?re THE certified idiot.

[Axeman]

Not sure you know who Leclair and Recchi are now? Sid doesnt play with Leclair. Recchi plays the point on the PP though. Sid barely played any games with Mario and in fact upped his production once Mario was out of the lineup.

Don't be a hater and pretend you watch the Pens play, cause it's obvious you don't. Just admit your a Caps fan and a homer. Its fine.

[Phil]

Here?s a video montage of Ovechnin being nothing like Bure. When you Crosby becones 20% of AO iscome back to me and talk?
http://ovechkinfans.com/showcase.html

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Asswhipe, I have seen more games with Malkin than you will ever see in you life? malkin will outshine two to one next year? given he?s willing to play for thispathetic tem. You do know (no you don?t) than Evgeni is getting paid 1.3 mill a year (with 13% flat income tax) versus 900K max for rookies in NHL.. Eat shit, idiot?

You are one clueless fucknut thats for sure. He will be in Pittsburgh for sure next year. when "watching" all the games that Evgeni plays, did you happen to miss his interviews at the World Jr's this year when he said he couldn't wait to play next year with Sidney? Exactly, didn't think so.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Here?s a video montage of Ovechnin being nothing like Bure. When you Crosby becones 20% of AO iscome back to me and talk?
http://ovechkinfans.com/showcase.html

You must not be old enough to remember Pavel when healthy. Only goal that was insane and something Bure was not capable of was the one he scored on his back. That goal was sick. But watch Ovechkin play and he is a floater and constantly cheats out of his zone looking for the break. I just watched him play in Tampa Saturday night. I do love his fiesty play though. Definitely has the chip on his shoulder.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Not sure you know who Leclair and Recchi are now? Sid doesnt play with Leclair. Recchi plays the point on the PP though. Sid barely played any games with Mario and in fact upped his production once Mario was out of the lineup.

Don't be a hater and pretend you watch the Pens play, cause it's obvious you don't. Just admit your a Caps fan and a homer. Its fine.

A hater? I?m anti-commercial guy. I?ve been raised on skates and I know when I see a good player.
Do you want me to show you some stats to prove my point? Look at last 10 points that siddy has???? PP points. What has he done playing with Colby? Nothing.. And you?ll be telling me that give him Zubrus and?. You?re a fucking idiot?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You are one clueless fucknut thats for sure. He will be in Pittsburgh for sure next year. when "watching" all the games that Evgeni plays, did you happen to miss his interviews at the World Jr's this year when he said he couldn't wait to play next year with Sidney? Exactly, didn't think so.

Oh I did.. mind you.. I?m of Russian descend and if you think you know more about MY hockey you are fucking out of you mind?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

You must not be old enough to remember Pavel when healthy. Only goal that was insane and something Bure was not capable of was the one he scored on his back. That goal was sick. But watch Ovechkin play and he is a floater and constantly cheats out of his zone looking for the break. I just watched him play in Tampa Saturday night. I do love his fiesty play though. Definitely has the chip on his shoulder.

Like i said before, you?re an idiot. Bure has never been physical. He has never knew what defense was. Ovechkin is on PK all the time (second shift) unlike SC.. he even has a SH goal. Crosby has yet to know what PK is?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

A hater? I?m anti-commercial guy. I?ve been raised on skates and I know when I see a good player.
Do you want me to show you some stats to prove my point? Look at last 10 points that siddy has???? PP points. What has he done playing with Colby? Nothing.. And you?ll be telling me that give him Zubrus and?. You?re a fucking idiot?

See unlike you, I dont lock onto one player and suck his dick. Both players are great players and will be stars in this league for decades. But both players are different and fill different needs. Both players have no supporting cast, feed on the PP, dont forget 14 of Ovechkin's goals come on the PP. And don't forget one is a left winger, while the other is a center. I will assume you will know what that means. But I am beginning to wonder.....

To say one of them is crap when both are in the top 15 in the league in scoring as rookies, and are playing with no supporting cast just shows your ignorance.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Like i said before, you?re an idiot. Bure has never been physical. He has never knew what defense was. Ovechkin is on PK all the time (second shift) unlike SC.. he even has a SH goal. Crosby has yet to know what PK is?

Then you definitely didnt watch the game tonight as he played every penalty kill.

[Phil]

Kid, you?re fucking spent. Comparing AO to Bure in any aspect is like saying that you mom is as good looking as Jessica Sipson. Next time you have few bucks to spare invest it in Center Ice package (given you have cable) ? Of just watch the videos on that website I gave you..

[xclusive]

He's going to be GREAT in a few years

[Axeman]

oh and btw
30 power play points for Ovechkin this year
29 for Sidney.

Just a little bit of facts for you.

[Phil]

And don't forget one is a left winger, while the other is a center. I will assume you will know what that means. But I am beginning to wonder.....

You do realize shit like this works against you? Remember? I play hockey, you play Mortal Combat?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Kid, you?re fucking spent. Comparing AO to Bure in any aspect is like saying that you mom is as good looking as Jessica Sipson. Next time you have few bucks to spare invest it in Center Ice package (given you have cable) ? Of just watch the videos on that website I gave you..

Don't be calling me kid. It's obvious you are clueless about hockey and surely didnt see Bure play. Both guys had wheels, stick handling and insane creativty with the puck. Both score great goals. Both have tempers and played with an edge when picked on. Do you remember Churla flat on his back? Didn't think so. And both played very very little defense in their own zone.

Bure was a great player who got fucked by knee injuries, but that man knew how to score and excite a crowd. Overchkin is in the same mold unless he learns how to play both ways, which is still possible since he is only 20.

However your full of non-facts, and your knowledge is obvious and you've exposed yourself for the moron you are.

It's ok to admit your a die-hard fan of a player and like to ride his cock. Just be up front.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

oh and btw
30 power play points for Ovechkin this year
29 for Sidney.

Just a little bit of facts for you.

You do realize that 70% of that came off guys like lemeux, Palffy and Recchi?
Honestly, does your IS score exceeds the size of your shoe???

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Don't be calling me kid. It's obvious you are clueless about hockey and surely didnt see Bure play. Both guys had wheels, stick handling and insane creativty with the puck. Both score great goals. Both have tempers and played with an edge when picked on. Do you remember Churla flat on his back? Didn't think so. And both played very very little defense in their own zone.

Bure was a great player who got fucked by knee injuries, but that man knew how to score and excite a crowd. Overchkin is in the same mold unless he learns how to play both ways, which is still possible since he is only 20.

However your full of non-facts, and your knowledge is obvious and you've exposed yourself for the moron you are.

It's ok to admit your a die-hard fan of a player and like to ride his cock. Just be up front.

Oh, I have seen Pavel more than your mom saw your dad giving her some loving. No need to teach me there. You do see the difference between AO and Pavel???? AO plays defense, he has physical presence, wrist and slap shot ? he?s not afraid to step up? On the on the side he has speed, skill, passing ability just as good as Pavel did?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

You do realize shit like this works against you? Remember? I play hockey, you play Mortal Combat?

Then you play some shitty ass hockey. As a center you have to play deep in your own zone and can't cheat out of the zone like Ovechkin does. As a winger your going to get sprung many more times as your role is to defend the defenseman, where as the centerman is in the high slot and down in the corners. Basic hockey. I am afraid to see the hockey you play.

If your a centerman you can rack up the assists, but that requires having players who can score, which Sidney does not. Eventually you would think Therion would put Recchi or a Malone on a line with him so he has someone with speed to make the outlet pass to, instead of always having to carry the zone on his own. Which is why Palffy was a perfect fit for him. Give the quick outlet, let the speed of Ziggy get it into the zone and then join in on the rush and make things happen.

You may want to study the game a bit more if this escapes you.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Oh, I have seen Pavel more than your mom saw your dad giving her some loving. No need to teach me there. You do see the difference between AO and Pavel???? AO plays defense, he has physical presence, wrist and slap shot ? he?s not afraid to step up? On the on the side he has speed, skill, passing ability just as good as Pavel did?

AO plays defense??? Half assed at best. Physical, no, but does have an edge when he gets hit or slashed, which is what Pavel also possesed. Better slap shot, that he does have. Pavel didn't have a great slap shot.

And unless you saw Pavel play 200 times in person, then again you lost. Sorry.

The key here is this, if your starting a franchise, you would take either player, but just expect different things from both. Both are franchise players and are and will be superstars for many years.

simple as that.

[Phil]

Well fuck me? argue you with NHL, forth grade genius?
http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/stats
Look at number of C?s and compare to L and R?
Then, go to all time leaders in points?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

AO plays defense??? Half assed at best. Physical, no, but does have an edge when he gets hit or slashed, which is what Pavel also possesed. Better slap shot, that he does have. Pavel didn't have a great slap shot.

And unless you saw Pavel play 200 times in person, then again you lost. Sorry.

The key here is this, if your starting a franchise, you would take either player, but just expect different things from both. Both are franchise players and are and will be superstars for many years.

simple as that.

Are you fucking crazy? He?s almost as good as any two dimensional player in this league. He rushed back and drew penalty during one on one in Florida game? How many time have you seen Sid do that. Just fucking watch the videos.. I ain?t spending any more time on you?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Are you fucking crazy? He?s almost as good as any two dimensional player in this league. He rushed back and drew penalty during one on one in Florida game? How many time have you seen Sid do that. Just fucking watch the videos.. I ain?t spending any more time on you?

Just cause you've proved your a fucking moron. Your right though, Sidney never draws penalties. Can't dispute that!

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Just cause you've proved your a fucking moron. Your right though, Sidney never draws penalties. Can't dispute that!

Penalty shot? asswipe? if you watched as many games as I do you would caught on?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Penalty shot? asswipe? if you watched as many games as I do you would caught on?

LOL. Your right, I just wish the Pens had hired you before the draft so they didn't waste their pick on Crosby. Would have saved them from drafting a shitty ass 18 year old who is 13th in the league in scoring and has the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Your assesment of hockey players is impressive and how a team hasn't snapped up your services is beyond me.

BTW the second part of your topic is correct. The Penguins do blow.

[Phil]

Let me ask you this.. Are u French Canadian or just retarded? Because if you?re franquois or what ever you do with English letters to prove your point, you?re cool with me. I?ll just treat you just as any special Olympics kid? But if you are real Canadian.. Boy you?re fucking stupid?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

LOL. Your right, I just wish the Pens had hired you before the draft so they didn't waste their pick on Crosby. Would have saved them from drafting a shitty ass 18 year old who is 13th in the league in scoring and has the weight of the world on his shoulders.

Your assesment of hockey players is impressive and how a team hasn't snapped up your services is beyond me.

BTW the second part of your topic is correct. The Penguins do blow.

I never downgraded Crosbys?a ability to be good (possibly great player) in NHL. I questioned your ability to comprehend and pass general admission test to Surrey College for retarded kids.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

I never downgraded Crosbys?a ability to be good (possibly great player) in NHL. I questioned your ability to comprehend and pass general admission test to Surrey College for retarded kids.

Umm, "It's Official: Sydney (Sidney btw) Crosby blows"

never downgraded his ability? would appear in your title that is in fact a lie again. Who is Crosbys'a btw?

[Snake Doctor]

Wow there's actually people out there that watch hockey?

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Wow there's actually people out there that watch hockey?

haha, hard to find in the good ol US of A, but there is still some!

How you been btw Lenny? Going to have to make a show one day so I can meet up with you again. Haven't been to a show in a long time.

[Phil]

Now, I?m going to sleep.. what I would like to see tomorrow is STATISTICAL proof that centers don?t have as much possibilities to score points..
Number two: I want to see summary of AO?s point off future HOF (Future hall of farmers in case you did not knot what HOF stood for) vs Crosbys..
Numero tres ( that?s in Spanish) I want to see how many points Sid has scored with his now days line mates Armstrong and Rita? For now, you?re dismissed with grade C minus?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

haha, hard to find in the good ol US of A, but there is still some!

How you been btw Lenny? Going to have to make a show one day so I can meet up with you again. Haven't been to a show in a long time.

Wow, the dick keeps growing?.
Yo Lenny.. when was the last time we ditched the Guido from Zamboni family??? We got to do it again..
Yo, by the way I?m from Qualicum Beach

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Now, I?m going to sleep.. what I would like to see tomorrow is STATISTICAL proof that centers don?t have as much possibilities to score points..
Number two: I want to see summary of AO?s point off future HOF (Future hall of farmers in case you did not knot what HOF stood for) vs Crosbys..
Numero tres ( that?s in Spanish) I want to see how many points Sid has scored with his now days line mates Armstrong and Rita? For now, you?re dismissed with grade C minus?

Your forgetting to add the teams they play for into consideration. Most great center's also play with good to great players. The only center on that list of top scorers right now who doesnt play with decent players is Olli Jokinen who has Horton on his line who is decent but young. If Palffy was still on the team and on Sid's line, no doubt his numbers are higher due to more assists. But his two linemates for the past month have 12 goals and 29 points combined. Not much support at all. And if you seen the games like you claim, you would know how many insane passes Crosby has sent their way, they were not ready for, or could not finish.

Lesson - If both players have no help, then the winger with great speed can cheat out of the zone and create more points for himself than a center who has more responsiblities in the defensive zone.

Don't forget 18 and playing in the QMJHL and 20 playing in the Russian Elite league are two very very different leagues. No question Ovechkin is far more ready for the NHL due to experience playing with men, plus the two crucial years to mature and grow into his frame. We'll see in a couple years where they will be. But both are pretty even right now.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

Your forgetting to add the teams they play for into consideration. Most great center's also play with good to great players. The only center on that list of top scorers right now who doesnt play with decent players is Olli Jokinen who has Horton on his line who is decent but young. If Palffy was still on the team and on Sid's line, no doubt his numbers are higher due to more assists. But his two linemates for the past month have 12 goals and 29 points combined. Not much support at all. And if you seen the games like you claim, you would know how many insane passes Crosby has sent their way, they were not ready for, or could not finish.

Lesson - If both players have no help, then the winger with great speed can cheat out of the zone and create more points for himself than a center who has more responsiblities in the defensive zone.

Don't forget 18 and playing in the QMJHL and 20 playing in the Russian Elite league are two very very different leagues. No question Ovechkin is far more ready for the NHL due to experience playing with men, plus the two crucial years to mature and grow into his frame. We'll see in a couple years where they will be. But both are pretty even right now.

Tell me that story when you grow up.

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by CAMOKAT

Tell me that story when you grow up.

haha. Your statements are just insane, and prove your hockey knowledge.

But that's ok, not every Canadian can understand the game, you must be a closet figure skater, trying to seem masculine for his friends. Again, I understand and it's cool.

But rule of thumb: don't say that players in the top 15 in league scoring, blow. It makes any statement you make on the subject of hockey invalid and utterly ridiculous.

Eric Cairns blows, Steve McCarthy blows, Wade Brookbank blows even harder.
Guys like Eric Stall, Thornton, Nash, Crosby, Spezza in fact are quite talented.

Is Ovechkin better than Crosby right now, probably by a little. Is Jagr better than Ovechkin and Crosby of course. But if I like Jagr, I don't say that everyone else "blows"

[Phil]

Originally Posted by Axeman

haha. Your statements are just insane, and prove your hockey knowledge.

But that's ok, not every Canadian can understand the game, you must be a closet figure skater, trying to seem masculine for his friends. Again, I understand and it's cool.

But rule of thumb: don't say that players in the top 15 in league scoring, blow. It makes any statement you make on the subject of hockey invalid and utterly ridiculous.

Eric Cairns blows, Steve McCarthy blows, Wade Brookbank blows even harder.
Guys like Eric Stall, Thornton, Nash, Crosby, Spezza in fact are quite talented.

Is Ovechkin better than Crosby right now, probably by a little. Is Jagr better than Ovechkin and Crosby of course. But if I like Jagr, I don't say that everyone else "blows"