will this industry every see the day where theres no more MIN PAYOUTS? - GoFuckYourself.com

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 03:40 PM

I know affiliate programs gotta "make their money", but just like you (program owners) want the money you make, we affilates want the money we make too. I dont care if its $15 or $100..i made it, i want it.

< /end of dream >

Pete-KT · 02-08-2006, 03:42 PM

most programs if you contact them will pay u your balance

luv$ · 02-08-2006, 03:44 PM

I think instant payouts as a standard would be better...

Lace · 02-08-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

I think instant payouts as a standard would be better...

Now thats thinking!

I believe flashcash has that, don't they?

StuartD · 02-08-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

I think instant payouts as a standard would be better...

heh, people hate to wait for email these days. What? Instant mail? Screw that, i want instant messages! I need to know 5 minutes ago!!!!

So yeah, instant payouts would be where it's at for sure.

AdultInsider Cloner · 02-08-2006, 03:47 PM

well, for some amounts it just doesn't make sense, especially when people request wires......paying $20 for a $15 wire transfer is just illogical

BradM · 02-08-2006, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lace

Now thats thinking!

I believe flashcash has that, don't they?

www.fastsize.com/webmasters/

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultInsider Cloner

well, for some amounts it just doesn't make sense, especially when people request wires......paying $20 for a $15 wire transfer is just illogical

well duh lol ;) i agree thats retarded
but to have options like:

Epass ($2 fee)-no min payout
Check-no min payout
*Wire-$50 min earnings required

Matt 26z · 02-08-2006, 03:56 PM

What burns me is when they've got a $100 min payment, but it took a poor ratio to get the first sale or two. It's just not worth it to try and make the rest.

The Duck · 02-08-2006, 03:57 PM

thats an excellent idea imo

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT

most programs if you contact them will pay u your balance

ill request from various sponsors i have unpaid money with, and i'll list here who pays and who doesnt.

KRL · 02-08-2006, 04:03 PM

Highly doubtful. Affiliate companies make a lot of profit with this scam. They know most affiliates eventually forget about it and never collect their comms.

adultchica · 02-08-2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

well duh lol ;) i agree thats retarded
but to have options like:

Epass ($2 fee)-no min payout
Check-no min payout
*Wire-$50 min earnings required

I absolutely agree with this.

Minimum payouts can be truly annoying.

adultchica · 02-08-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

Highly doubtful. Affiliate companies make a lot of profit with this scam. They know most affiliates eventually forget about it and never collect their comms.

I've thought of this too. I won't say the name of the program, but it is a 500$ minimum payout and I'm laughing at that because I only get limited traffic to the niches that it caters and I'm going to be waiting years for the money I've got lol

fuzebox · 02-08-2006, 04:39 PM

I know for a fact that a few programs factor carrying the balance of affiliates who have not made the minimums into their cashflow...

Baker Rd · 02-08-2006, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What burns me is when they've got a $100 min payment, but it took a poor ratio to get the first sale or two. It's just not worth it to try and make the rest.

This is exactly why min payouts are in place

FlyingIguana · 02-08-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What burns me is when they've got a $100 min payment, but it took a poor ratio to get the first sale or two. It's just not worth it to try and make the rest.

lol they always seem to be shitty sites as well. i typically use the $100 min as a proxy for, 'our sites suck so bad we know you'll never hit the min'

Sly · 02-08-2006, 04:48 PM

Throughout the year I really don't care, but it would be nice if at the end of the sponsors fiscal year they sent out checks with the remaining balance, even if it is only $20.

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Throughout the year I really don't care, but it would be nice if at the end of the sponsors fiscal year they sent out checks with the remaining balance, even if it is only $20.

that i wouldnt mind either.

Rui · 02-08-2006, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

What burns me is when they've got a $100 min payment, but it took a poor ratio to get the first sale or two. It's just not worth it to try and make the rest.

Yep, I lost count of how many unused affiliate accounts I got that I stopped pushing (and were left with money)

Instant payouts in this bussiness is a risky thing to say the least!

Furious_Female · 02-08-2006, 04:54 PM

There's probably 20 or 30 sponsors over the past 6 years that I have small balances with that I will never get because I don't even remember my login names/emails for them, even *if* I wanted to send them traffic to reach the minimum payout.

Jimmy The Juggernaut · 02-08-2006, 04:55 PM

yea

sponsors need to stop fucking shaving their affiliates and being so deceptive.

this is a message to all the crooked program owners out there. FUCK YOU

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingIguana

lol they always seem to be shitty sites as well. i typically use the $100 min as a proxy for, 'our sites suck so bad we know you'll never hit the min'

exactly. and to prove that statement...
(min payout from this sponsor is $100)

Furious_Female · 02-08-2006, 04:58 PM

On another note, the week or 2 week lag is getting old when waiting to get paid for sales you sent and reached the min. payout for.

Most other jobs pay you at the end of your work week or bi monthly without a holding period... every sponsor should do the same. We work, we want to get paid. For example: www.webcams.com/affiliate - their week is Sunday through Saturday and you get paid the very next monday (2 days after the period ends) and $40 trials to boot! ... excellent program

Sly · 02-08-2006, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

exactly. and to prove that statement...
(min payout from this sponsor is $100)

I don't have very good numbers with them either, though I do suck with that niche.

BSleazy · 02-08-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

I know affiliate programs gotta "make their money", but just like you (program owners) want the money you make, we affilates want the money we make too. I dont care if its $15 or $100..i made it, i want it.

< /end of dream >

The program in your sig has a $100 mininum payout. I sent them 2 signups at the end of 2004 and haven't been payed

Sly · 02-08-2006, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furious_Female

On another note, the week or 2 week lag is getting old when waiting to get paid for sales you sent and reached the min. payout for.

Most other jobs pay you at the end of your work week or bi monthly without a holding period... every sponsor should do the same. We work, we want to get paid. For example: www.webcams.com/affiliate - their week is Sunday through Saturday and you get paid the very next monday (2 days after the period ends) and $40 trials to boot! ... excellent program

Bad comparison.

We aren't employees. We are basically sub-contracters. If you really wanted to be like "every other company", then we would need to send an invoice to the sponsor every 2 weeks and then wait another month or so for payment.

I'm fine with the lag. Its faster then most every other b2b business.

phogirl69 · 02-08-2006, 05:03 PM

I hate getting a bunch of small checks for small amounts like $35 or so, I'm really lazy to go to the bank, I only go once in a blue moon and it's a pain to add up a bunch of small checks so you have a big stack that hard to fit in the atm machine slot, I'd rather wait and get one big check than a bunch of smaller ones. 500 min payout is ridiculous, but 100 is more than fine i think.

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCyber

The program in your sig has a $100 mininum payout.

not ALL $100 min payout programs are bad.

but some programs are so shitty and their sites dont convert for shit.

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phogirl69

I hate getting a bunch of small checks for small amounts like $35 or so, I'm really lazy to go to the bank, I only go once in a blue moon and it's a pain to add up a bunch of small checks so you have a big stack that hard to fit in the atm machine slot, I'd rather wait and get one big check than a bunch of smaller ones.

so then collect all the small checks and cashem one day, every week. problem solved.

phogirl69 · 02-08-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

so then collect all the small checks and cashem one day, every week. problem solved.

I am too lazy to even go to the bank once a week, thats how bad my laziness is getting. Sometimes I don't go for 1-2 and a half months

, webmastering is making me super super SUPER lazy to the point where I don't even want to go to the grocery store, thinking of having it delivered, or my boyfriend buys it most of the time.

I am so lazy my contact lenses expired October of last year and I haven't even gone to the eye doctor to get new ones, thats how bad it is

By the time I wake up i dont have time to get ready and get there...

Nismo · 02-08-2006, 05:10 PM

I have like 4 programs right now that I gotta start promoting to get a check cut. I've got like $35 in the balance and need 2 more signups just to get my checks.

I stopped promoting them due to shitty sales ratios, but regardless, im still gonna promote them until I get my checks. I'm not gonna leave money behind.

Dollarmansteve · 02-08-2006, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv$

I think instant payouts as a standard would be better...

This is not very good accounting practice. The sponsor program doesnt receive the money instantly once the transaction is processed (specifically when using a 3rd party to process transactions), so it does not make any sense to have an instant payout. Not to mention the obvious fraud risk - the sponsor would have no time to detect fraud and would expose themself to an undue amount of risk. There is also the issue of transaction cost - more frequent payments means more payout transactions, and those transactions cost money.

Many sponsors have minimum payouts of $100, which is about 4 sales. If you arent making 4 sales per pay period (for weekly payouts and $30 pps this is round about a sale every other day) then the minimum payout level is the least of your problems.

Furious_Male · 02-08-2006, 05:40 PM

Just email them and let them know your traffic isnt working with the sites they have. Request the payment owed and close the account. I am sure most reputable programs would be more then happy to take care of it.

After Shock Media · 02-08-2006, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furious_Female

On another note, the week or 2 week lag is getting old when waiting to get paid for sales you sent and reached the min. payout for.

Most other jobs pay you at the end of your work week or bi monthly without a holding period... every sponsor should do the same. We work, we want to get paid. For example: www.webcams.com/affiliate - their week is Sunday through Saturday and you get paid the very next monday (2 days after the period ends) and $40 trials to boot! ... excellent program

They do?
I am pretty used to seeing people get paid weekly or bi-weekly from jobs yes, but they also do not get their first paycheck until they have been there two weeks for weekly or a month for bi-weekly. So in effect they are always a week to two weeks behind. People just may not notice after a few weeks or so.

I know I have a check delays with ccbill, though I also still get checks each week. So after some time you really do not notice this way either.

BSleazy · 02-08-2006, 05:51 PM

See sig for INSTANT PAYOUTS as low as $20

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCyber

See sig for INSTANT PAYOUTS as low as $20

ya know, i just may start to push flashcash.
i have heard nothing but absolute great things about them.

instant payouts would kick ass!

polish_aristocrat · 02-08-2006, 05:54 PM

why do you people sign up to so many programs?

Tempest · 02-08-2006, 05:55 PM

I really hate the $100 minimums with some companies.. Shouldn't be more than $50.. I find the $25 ones actually iritate me when you get small cheques. The worst are the BossHawg programs with their damn $200 minimums.. On the older programs that aren't converting very well it can take 3+ months to make that.

John69 · 02-08-2006, 05:58 PM

this is one of the best posts i have seen on here!

$25.00 should be the min, not $100.00 +

this is for check payouts.

John69 · 02-08-2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

This is not very good accounting practice. The sponsor program doesnt receive the money instantly once the transaction is processed (specifically when using a 3rd party to process transactions), so it does not make any sense to have an instant payout. Not to mention the obvious fraud risk - the sponsor would have no time to detect fraud and would expose themself to an undue amount of risk. There is also the issue of transaction cost - more frequent payments means more payout transactions, and those transactions cost money.

Many sponsors have minimum payouts of $100, which is about 4 sales. If you arent making 4 sales per pay period (for weekly payouts and $30 pps this is round about a sale every other day) then the minimum payout level is the least of your problems.

not if your pushing over 200 programs, you cant send them all 4 + sales

Babagirls · 02-08-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

why do you people sign up to so many programs?

not sure about others here, but i have a teens blog and each time i review a teen, i sign up for their program. now, i try to promote sponsors that have a lot of teen sites so that i can send alot of traffic to one main sponsor (such as silvercash and lightspeed for example) but i still find myself signing up to various programs from time to time.

sometimes i'll get a sale or two, but not reach the min payout for a long time, if ever.

Snake Doctor · 02-08-2006, 06:10 PM

The lag in payouts is acceptable. It's part of fraud control and that's just the way it is. You can thank the cheaters for that.

As for the minimum payout thing I can see your point. If a sponsor pays $25 per signup and your ratio was like 1 in 5000 to get the first join, there's no way you're going to send 15K more hits so you can make the minimum.
In that case you should be able to ask them to close your account and send you the balance due.

pxxx · 02-08-2006, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John69

not if your pushing over 200 programs, you cant send them all 4 + sales

Isn't 200 programs a little too much?

WiredGuy · 02-08-2006, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT

most programs if you contact them will pay u your balance

That is correct, I had a mere $14.96 rolling over for months with xpays and a simple email is getting that remaining balance cleared next month.
WG

venus · 02-08-2006, 06:44 PM

GFY and the people who post here is not the entire industry.
there is a whole big internet out there, and there are affiliate programs who do not have min payouts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babagirls

I know affiliate programs gotta "make their money", but just like you (program owners) want the money you make, we affilates want the money we make too. I dont care if its $15 or $100..i made it, i want it.

< /end of dream >

V_RocKs · 02-08-2006, 06:59 PM

Wow... I am thinking 2 different things about this thread...

On one hand I was there and when I made about $4000 a month in affiliate income this was a VERY BIG DEAL... Mostly because that $4000 was from 2 main sponsors and then $1800 from about 20 others (not including the countless ones paid out via CCBILL)... So each month I'd have a lot of sponsors oweing me money and it'd take 4 to 5 months to finally get it if ever. Drove me nuts... I'd make $4000 and get paid $3200 of it...

This month it looks like I will do around $17,000... But now I have it spread over 40 to 50 sponsors... So I will get about $14,000 of it and have $3000 locked away until some time in the future (if ever)... But now that I get $14,000 a month, I don't really give a big shit about the remaining $3000...

Last month I did $14,000 but got paid about $15,800 because the $1,800 from Nov and Dec finally crossed the threshold... So the only thing I can say is... Make more money

Nismo · 02-08-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lenny2

If a sponsor pays $25 per signup and your ratio was like 1 in 5000 to get the first join, there's no way you're going to send 15K more hits so you can make the minimum.In that case you should be able to ask them to close your account and send you the balance due.

That doesn't work; I've tried.

polish_aristocrat · 02-08-2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

That is correct, I had a mere $14.96 rolling over for months with xpays and a simple email is getting that remaining balance cleared next month.
WG

you do realize, you are the famous Wired Guy?

pocketkangaroo · 02-08-2006, 07:21 PM

I think the minimum payment is also there to stop surfers for signing up as an affiliate, then registering for the site and getting in for basically free.

02-08-2006, 03:40 PM	#1
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02-08-2006, 03:44 PM	#3
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02-08-2006, 03:47 PM	#6
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02-08-2006, 04:03 PM	#12
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02-08-2006, 03:42 PM	#2
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	most programs if you contact them will pay u your balance

02-08-2006, 03:56 PM	#9
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	What burns me is when they've got a $100 min payment, but it took a poor ratio to get the first sale or two. It's just not worth it to try and make the rest.

02-08-2006, 04:39 PM	#15
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,227	I know for a fact that a few programs factor carrying the balance of affiliates who have not made the minimums into their cashflow...

02-08-2006, 04:48 PM	#18
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,360	Throughout the year I really don't care, but it would be nice if at the end of the sponsors fiscal year they sent out checks with the remaining balance, even if it is only $20. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

02-08-2006, 04:54 PM	#21
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	There's probably 20 or 30 sponsors over the past 6 years that I have small balances with that I will never get because I don't even remember my login names/emails for them, even if I wanted to send them traffic to reach the minimum payout. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

02-08-2006, 04:55 PM	#22
Jimmy The Juggernaut Spam me with dialer programs Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 177	yea sponsors need to stop fucking shaving their affiliates and being so deceptive. this is a message to all the crooked program owners out there. FUCK YOU __________________ super deluxe steak with extra steak unban nofx

02-08-2006, 04:58 PM	#24
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	On another note, the week or 2 week lag is getting old when waiting to get paid for sales you sent and reached the min. payout for. Most other jobs pay you at the end of your work week or bi monthly without a holding period... every sponsor should do the same. We work, we want to get paid. For example: www.webcams.com/affiliate - their week is Sunday through Saturday and you get paid the very next monday (2 days after the period ends) and $40 trials to boot! ... excellent program __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

02-08-2006, 05:03 PM	#28
phogirl69 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,330	I hate getting a bunch of small checks for small amounts like $35 or so, I'm really lazy to go to the bank, I only go once in a blue moon and it's a pain to add up a bunch of small checks so you have a big stack that hard to fit in the atm machine slot, I'd rather wait and get one big check than a bunch of smaller ones. 500 min payout is ridiculous, but 100 is more than fine i think. Last edited by phogirl69; 02-08-2006 at 05:05 PM..

02-08-2006, 05:10 PM	#32
Nismo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 4,977	I have like 4 programs right now that I gotta start promoting to get a check cut. I've got like $35 in the balance and need 2 more signups just to get my checks. I stopped promoting them due to shitty sales ratios, but regardless, im still gonna promote them until I get my checks. I'm not gonna leave money behind. __________________ i buy massive xxx dating traffic.

02-08-2006, 05:40 PM	#34
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,883	Just email them and let them know your traffic isnt working with the sites they have. Request the payment owed and close the account. I am sure most reputable programs would be more then happy to take care of it. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

02-08-2006, 05:51 PM	#36
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02-08-2006, 05:54 PM	#38
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02-08-2006, 05:55 PM	#39
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I really hate the $100 minimums with some companies.. Shouldn't be more than $50.. I find the $25 ones actually iritate me when you get small cheques. The worst are the BossHawg programs with their damn $200 minimums.. On the older programs that aren't converting very well it can take 3+ months to make that.

02-08-2006, 05:58 PM	#40
John69 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 942	this is one of the best posts i have seen on here! $25.00 should be the min, not $100.00 + this is for check payouts.

02-08-2006, 06:10 PM	#43
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	The lag in payouts is acceptable. It's part of fraud control and that's just the way it is. You can thank the cheaters for that. As for the minimum payout thing I can see your point. If a sponsor pays $25 per signup and your ratio was like 1 in 5000 to get the first join, there's no way you're going to send 15K more hits so you can make the minimum. In that case you should be able to ask them to close your account and send you the balance due.

02-08-2006, 06:59 PM	#47
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	Wow... I am thinking 2 different things about this thread... On one hand I was there and when I made about $4000 a month in affiliate income this was a VERY BIG DEAL... Mostly because that $4000 was from 2 main sponsors and then $1800 from about 20 others (not including the countless ones paid out via CCBILL)... So each month I'd have a lot of sponsors oweing me money and it'd take 4 to 5 months to finally get it if ever. Drove me nuts... I'd make $4000 and get paid $3200 of it... This month it looks like I will do around $17,000... But now I have it spread over 40 to 50 sponsors... So I will get about $14,000 of it and have $3000 locked away until some time in the future (if ever)... But now that I get $14,000 a month, I don't really give a big shit about the remaining $3000... Last month I did $14,000 but got paid about $15,800 because the $1,800 from Nov and Dec finally crossed the threshold... So the only thing I can say is... Make more money

02-08-2006, 07:21 PM	#50
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think the minimum payment is also there to stop surfers for signing up as an affiliate, then registering for the site and getting in for basically free.