It's never safe to go in the water here on GFY.

Youre missing an important point which i mentioned 2 times already. You are doing the campaings anyway...youre doing all the work anyway...why not add your on referral code to it and make 15k instead of 10k if the traffic is this good.

alot of hate, but there is no money there

PLEASE STOP READING THIS THREAD, P2P MAKES NO MONEY AND YOU SHOULD NOT DO P2P

P2P WILL MAKE U SAD BECAUSE U WILL MAKE NO MONEY

in other notes, u guys have sure good keywords.

There is no need to push them dude, they won't admit it. They are smart, and they know damn well that simply sending that traffic to a dating sponsor will not make them more money than they are already charging for the campaigns.

In other words... you are making your money on p2p and don't want any competition. :winkwink:

:thumbsup :thumbsup

From what I have read on GFY, It seems to me that CT is one of the only success stories with this service.

If you are buying traffic you have to have a better mouse trap. Reading on the board how well something does and just slamming traffic to the home page of your favorite sponsor is not a way to great wealth.. unless you count DH's cash.

$5 CPM for popup untargeted freeloader traffic is "very very good"? :helpme

well im getting into it, but traffic is traffic. I dont think its worth justifyin to haters if its a good product or not.. coz they will hate hate hate.

its p2pads job to sell their service :D and im sure they didnt ask u to put it up on gfy if it worked or not..

im glad it worked out for you. but please, keep things that work a secret, coz you'll get the dumbest questions out here.

Yeah thats crazy...

hey WOJ that is targeted traffic on the CPM deal BTW. ;)

Thanks for hating just the same. Your brand of hateraide is especially tasty :)

There is no hate here, we are all just discussing how much this traffic is really worth...

And what is it worth to you?

Congrats to the winners

You've been answered. You just ignored it or didn't care to respond.
Instead of posting repeatedly in here hating on a program you don't know, why don't you try it out or talk directly to someone who has?

Then you can hate away all you want ... but be able to back it up with proof instead of pointless rhetorical questions

:)

I have not been anwered...unless you call "why does google sell traffic" an answer....i dont...it something completely different.

He cant answer me...

Franck,

Your logic dictates that nobody should be selling traffic unless it is shitty because they could just convert it all themselves.

Many big companies from Yahoo to The Hun charge for advertising. Does that mean the traffic is poor because they don't convert it all themselves?

NO

What it means is many companies prefer to charge a fixed rate for their inventory instead of trying to figure out who to send it to all the time. So do we.

You still dont know where to send the traffic? What you advise your clients? I thought by now you would know what work with this amazing traffic..

And stop comparing to yahoo and the hun, completely, totally different.

So lets sum up your anwer: You dont know where to send your traffic so you sell it to other people. Instead of doing a few tests and make 5k more on a 10k package (5000 dollars!!) you prefer to get 10k.
What you advise your clients is total bs since you have no idea what converts and what not.

Hmm nice.

Well put Rob. I didn't put too much time into tweaking my campaign, I just threw it up and let it ride. It's been over for about 3 months and its still averaging 3 sales per day and plenty of rebills. Hindsight being 20/20, I can now think of about a million things that I could have done to improve on my results. The traffic is exciting though. I would be interested in giving it another go with some new strategies specific to maximizing the potential of this type of traffic.

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woj what?

We do know where to send our traffic and we are sending a ton of it to sponsors that are converting well for us. Ie. Wegcash, AAC, Fleshlight

Franck, you're running on seriously thin ice with me right now, I really don't appreciate the negativity you're showing towards my companies lately.

DH

so what do u do in this biz anyways?

the guy hits you with very logical questions about a campaign that costs 5-10k+ and you threaten him. Ohhh scary:)

What does that have to do with it??

nothing, im just wondering why ur wasting so much time voicing ur opinion and not doing.. whatever it is u do

unless ur a mailer, then ya, couple of clicks and ur free for hours to surf the board.:thumbsup

He's been exceptionally negative to my companies as of late and I am calling him out about it. I have stuck up for Franck so many times in the past and I am getting tired of playing the fool.

DH

Wegcash does well from the traffic.

P2P is a large, expansive traffic source, I doubt managing all those campaigns would be very efficient. I would think selling it and isolating that optimization process would work out better (the current method of selling 3rd party).

But who knows and who cares? At the end of the day, we take the traffic and it works. I really don't care if Brad knows what converts. Someone obviously does.

I should be working more, thats for sure. But regardless who i am or what i do, i think im allowed to ask questions on a public board.

Here's my take:

Affiliates are paid on a CPA basis, so it's probably not a great idea to buy traffic for a flat rate unless you have good data on click-through and conversions.

In general, flat rate bulk traffic buying is a risky business and in my experience is almost always unprofitable (based on effective CPA). People who have the higest quality traffic have absolutely no problem working on a CPA basis, because they know their traffic will convert. It does not make any sense that flat rate traffic would generate a huge ROI, otherwise the traffic seller would perfer to work on a CPA because they would make more profit. Any business that says "we dont want to maximize our profit" is lying to you. Therefore, one can only assume that the flat-rate traffic seller is maximizing their profit by selling it in such a way. There is nothing inherently wrong with this, as there are many different types of traffic buyers out there with different goals - some buyers may not have a need to see an ROI based on their conversions because there is other value obtained from the traffic (that is they do not only make money on a conversion, they are able to extract some VPC regardless of a conversion, this is generally not true in the case of an affiliate promoting a sponsor program.)

The future of advertising (i.e. traffic brokering) is action based. Only in cases where the traffic involved is known by both parties to be low-quality bulk traffic (asian traffic, etc.) will flat rate deals make sense. Persons who are paid on a CPA basis will demand to buy on a CPA, to do otherwise is not smart.

And i stuck up for you and i will in the future...you personally have nothing to do with this.

Nothing wrong with asking questions, but your tone comes off rather abrasive at times. I think at some point you just have to say "I don't like the setup, I don't buy the traffic."

You eventually hit a wall. You can only do so much short of making a purchase. The hypotheticals can bury the possible success and failure rates in irrational whirlwinds.

These guys are selling traffic. It will work for some people, it will fail for some people, you fall in their somewhere.

It works for us, that is where we fall into things.

Have a good one bro,

Cory.

LMAO!!!! That's awesome man.

i agree, thats why i am asking questions about u on a public board :winkwink:

No, you're smelling the dirty sanchez that dude gave you last night :)

By selling the traffic to webmasters, although they might miss out on a slightly higher ROI they also pass the RISK on to the buyer...

I know it's hard to believe that someone can sell bulk traffic that actually converts and will make a profit, but knowing what I know about p2p and Brad's setup, these guys DO.

It's very similar to GTS, of course they could capitolize off of all those gallery spots on their own and make a KILLING, but they make enough profit with less headache and less RISK by selling the spots to other webmasters.

:2 cents:

-P

Sounds like a great source of traffic if you ask me.

I personally would not buy a big 5k or 10k package...i think there about are 1001 better and safer things to spend 10k on than p2p traffic :1orglaugh

But yeah, if it works for you then thats good and you should keep buying. Im not gonna take the risk.

Maybe now that they offer smaller campaigns...who knows.

Im just very careful when it comes to buying traffic...

If you have enough of it yeah...obviously the quality itself is horrible...but the quantity makes it up.

u can apply that saying to galleries on tgps no?