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who · 02-02-2006, 11:07 AM

Please explain exactly what happened on 911. I want some alternate explanations and I think you're the man for the job.

No links to other reading plz, I want it in here, if you have some ideas.

Thanks.

lazycash · 02-02-2006, 11:23 AM

Oh geez, I pray he doesn't see this thread. He'll have some conspiracy theory, probably something like Bush was operating the planes via remote control from his office.

Phoenix · 02-02-2006, 11:26 AM

mike bush was put in charge of securing the towers one month before they went down....prove anything? no..but sure is interesting

WarChild · 02-02-2006, 11:26 AM

Remember all those indictments and what not that were just around the corner? How many of those came to pass? Zero?

who · 02-02-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Oh geez, I pray he doesn't see this thread. He'll have some conspiracy theory, probably something like Bush was operating the planes via remote control from his office.

That's what I am hoping for. I want to compile a list of different theories, see which parts match, which facts are shared, and so on.

who · 02-02-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Remember all those indictments and what not that were just around the corner? How many of those came to pass? Zero?

Yeah... but the fantasy was fun.

chshkt · 02-02-2006, 07:50 PM

OK... that would take me a lot of energy but will do it because i like USA (not the government of course), GFY and i also want to know the whole truth some day (as all) and i hope i won't be insulted in each post with no real objections... and please read it open-minded before making any assumptions and labeling me or the theories... If you don't like the message don't "kill" the messenger...

So... September 11, 2001 was a government inside job. No other explanation makes any sense. You don't need to read conspiracy sites to understand that there's a huge cover-up and many holes in the official version etc...

Some clues. Whenever planes are hijacked in American airspace, an immediate alert goes to the U.S. Air Force to investigate. These planes are scrambled in minutes after being made aware that any plane, had been hijacked or had their transponders turned off. But four planes? Within the space of a few hours are all hijacked? And not one military plane is scrambled to investigate? Inside job? Not one military or political head did something. Instead, the military officers who were in charge of this major screw-up were promoted.

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Montague Winfield was originally scheduled to be at his command post on morning of Sept. 11. But on Sept. 10, he arranged for his deputy to relieve him the next morning at exactly 8:30 a.m. This turned out to be just eight minutes before the military was alerted to the diversion of the first flight (at 8:38 a.m. according to the timeline in The 9/11 Commission Report). The report mentions Winfield by name only once, as a source in a footnote, without clarification (Ch. 1 fn 190, p. 463). His absence from the NMCC after 8:30 a.m. was first revealed to the Commission in a June 17, 2004 statement by his deputy, Capt. Charles J. Leidig (who was recently promoted to admiral).
(See http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearin..._statement.pdf)

Winfield was scheduled to testify before the Kean Commission in public on the same day as Leidig. As on Sept. 11, he was a no-show. Leidig spoke for him, saying under oath that on Sept. 11, "Right after we resolved what was going on with United 93, around that time General Winfield took over" command of the NMCC.
(Transcript of June 17 hearings at http://www.9-11commission.gov/archiv...2004-06-17.pdf)

Thus Gen. Winfield apparently exercised no operational authority until after the attacks were over. In the further absence of Bush and Rumsfeld, the man in charge of the U.S. military during the attacks was apparently Capt. Leidig, a rookie in the job who, in his own words, first qualified in August 2001 "to stand watch as the Deputy Director for Operations in the NMCC."

However, Winfield either forgot his own absence or attempted to gloss over it when he was filmed for a 2002 Discovery-Times documentary, "Attack on the Pentagon." In that interview, he says that the "national leadership" was called to the NMCC "after the World Trade Center was struck." He also describes on camera the process of "resolving" what happened to Flight 93, the final flight, as though he was present.

Was Winfield present at the NMCC at any time during the attacks? If not, why would he try to hide an absence for which no one would otherwise think to blame him, since it was arranged the night before? Where was he during the 90 minutes after 8:30 a.m.?

The Pentagon is the most protected building in the world. It has its own defense system. It was obviously turned off?from within.

The WTC only burned about an hour before collapsing? I?m not a fireman, but even I know a steel building can?t collapse from the top down by what was obviously a controlled demolition. Never in the history of building fires or construction has a tall steel building ever collapsed so precisely from a structural fire, no matter how long it burned, and of course not in one hour. It?s impossible. This more than anything means inside job.

Building 7 collapsed in what also appeared to be a controlled demolition when it wasn?t even hit by any planes.

Bush?s photo op to the elementary school in Florida. Reports said that he had seen the plane hit the first tower before ever going into the school that morning, but it was not on the news until after he went inside. Considering this might be some type of terrorist attack, which they had been warned might happen from claimed earlier intelligence, the Secret Service failed in their duty to protect the President and the children in that school by allowing the photo op to take place. What he really did was to provide an alibi on national TV that he wasn?t involved.

When the second plane hit, and Bush was informed of it, that was absolute proof that this was a terrorist attack and there were other planes reported hijacked. Still Bush stayed for an additional 17 minutes putting both him and the children in Harms Way, if he truly believed it was a terrorist attack.

Then more than ever, the Secret Service should have gotten him out of that school so fast that it would have made your head spin. Instead, he grabbed a book, ?My Pet Goat.? The book was upside down, but he can't read anyway. That could explain why he bankrupted every business he was put in charge of. But that day, he very possibly didn?t realize the book was upside down.

Then when Air Force planes were finally dispatched, they were both sent in the wrong direction and not at top speed either, then I think only two were dispatched, not a whole squadron going in many different directions, and less than quarter speed of their true flying ability. The twin towers had already collapsed by the time these two planes got there. It was too little too late to do anything. But then, they were never meant to stop it.

The 19 Arabs who were supposedly on the planes and were blamed for 911, turned up alive after 9/11 or were already dead before that happened or were in jail that day. http://www.welfarestate.com/911

The men who were reported out boozing it up the night before were very much out of character for Muslims on a suicide mission. Muslims don?t drink. Other men made sure they were seen to give credence to the planned story of who to blame it on. Reports have since surfaced that the men were really Mossad agents. The Mossad had a interest in making sure 9/11 happened so it was a pretext to start a war in the Middle East and to keep their allies, Bush etc in power.

The buildings of the attack should have been treated as crime scenes, they were not. The steel in the buildings hit were not subjected to forensics to determine what made them collapse. Instead, the steel was shipped off to a foreign country to be recycled so this was not possible. Obvious cover-up.

Bush and Cheney ordered Congress not to investigate it. Yes, Congress was told to not investigate 9/11. Inside job, doesn?t it? Since Congress never really investigated it other than the 9/11 Commission which was a total joke, it wasn?t investigated except to back up the government?s story which had so many holes in it that it couldn?t hold water. Yet, many believed it.

I have read other reports that tall buildings often have explosive charges placed in the building as it is being constructed so it can later be brought down in a controlled demolition in case it becomes obsolete.

It was also reported that trucks were seen that morning carrying out huge amounts of gold bullion from the back of the WTC. A bank heist, too? The Federal Reserve was located in the building. Remember the movie, Die Hard III, where a bomb scare in a school was used as a diversion to loot the Federal Reserve bank of it?s gold? They would most definitely want to protect the gold and would remove it so it wouldn?t be lost when the building was brought down. Again inside job.

What is pointed out in the link below is that a much smaller plane was used on the Pentagon than was used on the twin towers. Why the difference? Why did the plane only hit a small portion of the Pentagon? Why not dive bomb right into the middle of it?
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm

Osama Bin Laden was a close friend of the Bush family. The day after 9/11, when ALL aircraft were grounded throughout the United States, two military planes criss-crossed the country, picking up members of the Bin Laden family and taking them to safety in the Middle East.

The FBI admitted that they had concocted the story about the existence of "Al-Qaeda", but the press still reports it today as the world's major terrorism organisation (not 'The Mossad') and brainwashed individuals admit to belonging to it...

On this website, they have a poll asking five questions. Of those 5 questions, one blames it only on Osama bin Laden, and the government was not involved at all. Only 13.2% of the people who took that poll believed the lie. http://www.letsroll911.org

Also:

http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

This is very well written article, which is by Vietnam Combat Pilot and Commercial Airline Pilot Who Confirms 9/11 was an Government inside job.

This link gives 100 websites that claim a different version of the truth than the Government story.
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/#LINKS
They can?t all be wrong, especially when the governments version never made any sense if you analyse it at all.

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chshkt · 02-02-2006, 07:50 PM

Now some credible individuals exposing the government's lies taken from the book "911 - Fairy Tale From Hell"

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WHO: Morgan Reynolds, Former chief economist for the Department of Labor, former director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas, currently professor emeritus at Texas A&M University.

WHERE: United Press International (UPI), June 14, 2005 and the Washington Times.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2755-6408r.htm

WHAT: Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is ?bogus? and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. ?If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an ?inside job? and a government attack on America would be compelling.? ?It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government?s collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings?

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WHO: Paul Craig Roberts is the John M. Olin fellow at the Institute for Political Economy, research fellow at the Independent Institute and senior research fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. A former editor and columnist for The Wall Street Journal, he writes a political commentary column for Creators Syndicate. He served as assistant secretary of the Treasury for economic policy under President Reagan, and was credited with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981. He was awarded the Treasury Department's Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy.

WHAT: "I guess the real story about 9/11 is about what the people are actually saying. I?ve gotten hundreds of emails in response to my columns and many of them talk about not getting the truth from the government or the media about what really happened at the World Trade Center. I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility."
"The reasons they (the American people) were given by their president, vice president, secretary of defense, national security adviser, secretary of state, and the sycophantic media were nothing but a pack of lies." Although professing to know "a little about engineering" from his undergraduate days at Georgia Tech, Roberts deferred formulating any serious conclusions about the fall of the WTC, but expressed doubt as to the credibility of the entire official version based on past government lies uncovered at Waco, Ruby Ridge and the threat of WMD in Iraq.

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WHO: Steven E. Jones, Professor of research in fusion and solar energy at Brigham Young University.

WHERE: BYU website: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
and Utah Deseret Morning News, both in print format and on the web at:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

BREAKING UPDATE: Professor Jones? updated work can now be found at Scholars for 9/11Truth, http://www.st911.org comprized of Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, and up of 50 academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term.

WHAT: The group's charges include:
? Members of the Bush administration knew in advance that the 9/11 attacks would happen but did nothing to stop them.
? No Air Force or Air National Guard jets were sent to "scramble" the hijacked planes, which were clearly deviating from their flight plans, although jet fighters had been deployed for scramblings 67 times in the year prior to 9/11. The procedure for issuing orders for scrambling was changed in June 2001, requiring that approval could only come from the Secretary of Defense, but Donald Rumsfeld was not alerted soon enough on 9/11, according to Scholars group.
? The video of Osama bin Laden found by American troops in Afghanistan in December 2001, in which bin Laden says he orchestrated the attacks, is not bin Laden. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth compared the video with a photo of the "real" bin Laden and argue that there are discrepancies in the ratio of nose-length to nose-width, as well as distance from tip-of-nose to ear lobe.
? Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it. Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag, Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-toyellow-hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.
? Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse."
? No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says.
? Jones points to a recent article in the journal New Civil Engineering that says WTC disaster investigators at NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology) "are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers."

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WHO: David Shayler, Former British Secret Service agent (MI5 officer). He joined MI5 in Oct/1991 and worked there for five years. He started at F Branch (countersubversion) in Jan/1992, and worked in T Branch (Irish terrorism) from August 1992 until October 1994.

WHERE: Shayler appeared on The Alex Jones Show to kick off what will be a wider public campaign to educate the public on 9/11 issues and government corruption.
WHAT: Shayler said that his suspicions were first aroused about 9/11 when the usual route of crime scene investigation was impeded when the debris was immediately seized and shipped off to China. "It is in fact a criminal offence to interfere with a crime scene and yet in the case of 9/11 all the metal from the buildings is shipped out to China.?
"The more I look at it, you realize that it's not incompetence. There were FBI officers all over the country."
"There are so many questions that need to be answered, protocols being overridden within national defense, people actively being stopped from carrying out investigations. This wasn't an accident, they were aware there was intelligence indicating those kind of attacks, there were FBI intercepts saying it in the days before the attacks. When you look at it all, that is a big, big intelligence picture and yet these people were crucially stopped from doing their jobs, stopped from trying to protect the American people."

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WHO: David Ray Griffin, professor of philosophy of religion at Claremont School
of Theology and Claremont Graduate University and one of the co-directors of the Center for Process Studies.

WHERE: Dr. Griffin made a rare public appearance at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, April 18th.2005 at 7:30 p.m. in 272 Bascom Hall.
And on the web: http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

WHAT: Professor Griffin takes a critical look at the official 9/11 Commission Report. Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Professor Griffin covers topics he says have been inadequately answered by the commission. These include questions surrounding the attack on the Pentagon, the way in which the World Trade Center towers collapsed, and the behavior of President Bush and his Secret Service detail following notification that a second plane hit the WTC.

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WHO: David Ray Griffin, professor of philosophy of religion at Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University and one of the co-directors of the Center for Process Studies.

WHERE: Dr. Griffin made a rare public appearance at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, April 18th.2005 at 7:30 p.m. in 272 Bascom Hall.
And on the web: http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

WHAT: Professor Griffin takes a critical look at the official 9/11 Commission Report. Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Professor Griffin covers topics he says have been inadequately answered by the commission. These include questions surrounding the attack on the Pentagon, the way in which the World Trade Center towers collapsed, and the behavior of President Bush and his Secret Service detail following notification that a second plane hit the WTC.

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chshkt · 02-02-2006, 07:51 PM

More individuals on 9/11:

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WHO: Michael Meacher, MP Member of Parliament, Studied at New College, Oxford and London School of Economics. Before entering Parliament was a lecturer. MP for Oldham West (now Oldham West & Royton) since 1970. Privy Counsellor and Minister for the Environment 1997-2003. Member of the Shadow Cabinet (1983 - 1997). Member of UNISON, the Fabian Society, SERA and the Child Poverty Action Group.

WHERE: Guardian Unlimited, British Web Newspaper,
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/...036687,00.html
Article title: This war on terrorism is bogus

WHAT: ?Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not?? ?There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are sent up to investigate. Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11??
??it is not surprising that some have seen the US failure to avert the 9/11 attacks as creating an invaluable pretext for attacking Afghanistan in a war that had clearly already been well planned in advance. There is a possible precedent for this. The US national archives reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the US fleet. The ensuing national outrage persuaded a reluctant US public to join the second world war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the "go" button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement.?
?The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the "global war on terrorism" has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project.?

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WHO: Catherine Austin Fitts has been a Wall Street executive, a government official, and President of her own investment bank. She is currently the director of Solari. Fitts served as Managing Director and Member of the Board of Directors of the Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co., Inc. and also as Assistant Secretary of Housing/Federal Housing Commissioner at HUD in the first Bush Administration.

WHERE: Article jointly written by Catherine Austin Fitts and Congresswoman McKinney on excellent 9/11 website http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...41101130426916

WHAT: ?From the first, the Bush Administration resisted investigation and disclosure. Families of September 11 victims were forced to lobby the administration and Congress for a full and independent inquiry. They fought for 14 months, blocked every step of the way by the White House. The families demanded a full investigation, posing nearly 400 questions to the Kean Commission. The commissioners said they welcomed these queries. But their final report ignored most of the unanswered questions. Still posted on the website of the September 11 Family Steering Committee, these questions are a stark reminder of the Kean Commission's failures. Until the unanswered questions about 9/11 are laid to rest, by a truly independent investigation that does not declare legitimate avenues of inquiry off-limits, they will continue to haunt our country.?

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WHO: Robert M. Bowman PhD., Lt. Col., USAF (Ret.) head of advanced space programs for the Department of Defense [DOD], Combat Veteran, Rocket Scientist, Businessman, College Professor, Fighter Pilot, Executive in both government and industry, family man (seven children, twenty-one grandchildren), Bishop, and Peace Activist

WHERE: Posted on his personal Website:
http://www.rmbowman.com/ssn/Secrecy.htm

WHAT: ?Many people are convinced that George W. Bush knew what was going to happen and purposely allowed it to happen so he and his neo-conservative buddies could have the ?new Pearl Harbor? they needed to justify their wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. Others go further. They are absolutely sure Cheney and company actually planned and carried out the attack. What is so disturbing is that their arguments are quite convincing. If an enormous cloud of suspicion is not to be permanently over the head of our government, the Bush Administration must ?come clean,? releasing information thus far withheld from the American people. Why did John Ashcroft and top Pentagon officials cancel plans to fly commercial airlines the morning of 9/11? If they knew what was about to happen, why wasn?t it stopped? Who made all the millions of dollars selling short United and American Airlines [stock] just before 9/11? Why weren?t the hijacked airliners intercepted by jet fighters and shot down before they could fly into the WTC and Pentagon? What did the air traffic controllers say, and to whom? Why did the FBI impound the tapes of those conversations? Why has the public never been told what was on them? Why weren?t the congressional investigators told? If it was just a matter of incompetence or somebody not doing their job, why hasn?t anyone been fired or reprimanded??

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chshkt · 02-02-2006, 07:51 PM

And more...

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WHO: Nila Sagedevan, Commercial pilot and aeronautical engineer.

WHERE: Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, on the Republic Broadcast Network

WHAT: "The government wants us to believe that a person who couldn't even solo a small Cessna took over the controls of a Boeing 757 jetliner and performed complicated maneuvers even myself or other experienced pilots could have never performed.? "It's just not going to happen and, from my point of view, is impossible. If this was fabricated by the government so was the rest of the 9/11 story." "You mean to tell me, the supposed inexperienced 5'8" Arab terrorist overpowered the pilot, who weighed more than 185 lbs and trained in the military. And then after that overpowered the co-pilot in the same manner, a person who also weighed upwards of 185 lbs," "I am not sure if anyone has been in the cockpit of one of one of these big jets, but I will tell you there isn't much space. How in the world would one man pull out two big pilots in cramped quarters while, at the same time, maintaining control of the airline? Again, it's just not going to happen.? "In the beginning right after 9/11, like most people, I believed most of what I heard about 9/11, not really giving much thought to a government conspiracy. However, about a year ago when I began gathering information related to my expertise as an aeronautical engineer and pilot, I began to see clearly how the government story regarding the four flights, their paths and their pilots didn't make sense.?
"Now I am firmly convinced after looking at an enormous amount of evidence, as well as using well-establishing aviation principles, that something else crashed into the Pentagon since it couldn't have been a commercial jetliner."
"First of all, the supposed pilot would have been overwhelmed just looking at the complexity of the cockpit controls, he would have had no idea what to do, but we are led to believe that he was able to turn the jet around, head back to Washington D.C. and then bank at high speeds and at a low altitude, hitting a target which would have looked as small as thimble from the air. Again, it's impossible and you don't really need an expert to make this final determination.""The evidence indicates that the airplane was flying low before it reached the Pentagon lawn since several light poles were sheared off several hundred yards away form the building. With that in mind, the plane was traveling at about 400 knots at about 20 feet off the ground for a long distance prior to hitting the Pentagon. ?
"This in itself is an impossibility since the airplane would have been kept from hitting the ground by a cushion of air termed 'ground effect.' No pilot in the world would have been able to control the plane while maintained that air speed at 20 feet off the ground for that long a distance. Again, it's just impossible but here I will admit that an expert is needed in order to explain the standards of lift and drag associated with flying a large airliner. ?
"I really don't understand how anyone could give the government's story any credibility after seeing the original pictures taken of the small hole left in the Pentagon wall by whatever flew into it. I am not totally sure what the military used but one thing for sure, it wasn't a 757 jetliner."
"I think if someone just looks at the hole left and then looks at the size of 757, experts aren't needed to determine itwas an impossibility that a big jet hit the Pentagon wall, especially when there was very little wreckage visible after
the crash."

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WHO: Respected Leaders and Families 9/11 Truth Statement An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11

WHERE: Posted on a dedicated website
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...41026093059633

WHAT: An alliance of 100 prominent Americans and 40 family members of those killed on 9/11 announced the release of the 911 Truth Statement, a call for immediate inquiry into evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur. The Statement's list of signatories includes notables spanning the political spectrum, from Presidential candidates Ralph Nader, Michael Badnarik, and David Cobb to Catherine Austin Fitts, a member of the first Bush administration, as well as Washington veterans like Pentagon whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg and retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern. Other signers range from peace activists like Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans and Global Exchange's Kevin Danaher to former US Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq, Edward L. Peck; from environmentalists like Randy Hayes and John Robbins to business leaders such as Paul Hawken and Karl Schwarz, CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies; from populist journalist Ronnie Dugger to renowned investigative reporter Kelly Patricia O'Meara.

The Statement also includes 43 noted authors, including New York Times #1 bestseller John Gray, as well as 18 eminent professors, historians, and theologians. Other notables include five-term Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, singers Michelle Shocked and Michael Franti, and actors Ed Asner and Mimi Kennedy.

We want truthful answers to questions such as:
? Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
? Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not
activated during the attack?
? Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned
about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
? Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed
that day?
? Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading
that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of
dollars of traceable gains?
? Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been
publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bushappointed
judge?
? How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40
minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US
military?
? How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as
well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
? What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence
agencies or heads of state?
? Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in
Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the
ringleader of the hijackers?
? Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in
addition to almost all of the questions posed here? Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive
Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with
Condoleezza Rice?

Thanks for reading it all.

CheeseFrog · 02-02-2006, 08:34 PM

Riiiight... Because Muslim's are too stupid to orchestrate such an attack. Is that what you're saying? I smell a racist! hahah

lazycash · 02-02-2006, 08:34 PM

I was about to begin to point out several erroneous statements and dispute much of what was said, but then I realized I'd be typing this post for a few hours considering the amount of bullshit.

chadglni · 02-02-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I was about to begin to point out several erroneous statements and dispute much of what was said, but then I realized I'd be typing this post for a few hours considering the amount of bullshit.

Guy you can point out a dozen erroneous statements, that doesn't erase the ones that aren't. Something was covered up in this mess, too many loose ends and bullshit coincidences to not be. There are a few things that make absolutely 0 sense and anyone with a brain can see it whether they want to admit it or not.

Doctor Dre · 02-02-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Oh geez, I pray he doesn't see this thread. He'll have some conspiracy theory, probably something like Bush was operating the planes via remote control from his office.

He'll copy paste a bunch of shit from other websites I think.

Doctor Dre · 02-02-2006, 09:00 PM

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Then more than ever, the Secret Service should have gotten him out of that school so fast that it would have made your head spin. Instead, he grabbed a book, ?My Pet Goat.? The book was upside down, but he can't read anyway. That could explain why he bankrupted every business he was put in charge of. But that day, he very possibly didn?t realize the book was upside down.

A big problem is that you beleive a lot of the shit you read from non news site and take it for granted... but you don't verify the sources. The book upside down was NOT true.

Now I personally beleive there is something beleive, but I don't have the arrogance to pretend I know what happened...

chshkt · 02-03-2006, 07:47 AM

A big problem is that you beleive a lot of the shit you read from non news site and take it for granted... but you don't verify the sources. The book upside down was NOT true.

Now I personally beleive there is something beleive, but I don't have the arrogance to pretend I know what happened...

Yeah but they are entertaining, much of them can't be confirmed from official sources but even though they are too many correct. Like the illuminati. There's so much proofs. If you connect the dots from all the material on the Internet/Books/Videos you will understand it too. Illuminat means the enlightened ones. The people that knows the secret/s. Keeping the world enslaved with that.

I've seen the snopes article that debunks the upside-down book, but so what? That's not something important for the case so i said it because it's funny. But I've also said that he can't read even though he probably can... spell out few words... like freedom and terror.

And yes i understand americans (and all the world) that are afraid from the bloody system and don't want to look up because if 7th grader can be investigated from Secret Service for including Bush in his essay or woman can be arrested for a t-shirt or that NSA is spying on everyone they want or the CIA using torture for making the people to admit they're terrorists or whatever, which they are not... then anyone can be manipulated and controlled. That's how we don't get the truths out. Not mentioning the blackmailing of all the congress (and not only) so they can accept their unlawful laws.

Few more laws and USA will be equal to Nazi Germany... but that has to stop!
I don't understand how the son and the grandson of such nazist (Preston Bush, that helped Hitler's rise to power) can become presidents.
Is there anyone who can stand up and say that he wanted that to happen?
If not why it happens? Who's ruling the world? Aren't all the people supposed to determine the rules and the way the system works?

So instead the nation to rule the government it's vice-versa. Bunch of retards that only little percent brainwashed individuals wants them in office are ruling and making nazism out of a great country and with that the whole world.

Their main weapon is fear, if you live in fear (as too many does) you won't question anything, you will live your life as they want it, you will do what they say. Easily accomplished with the fraudulent banking and tax system. So if you are afraid you've done their job. There's so much things that the people are afraid of. Do not be afraid! That's our chance to win this one!

chshkt · 02-03-2006, 08:08 AM

something's wrong with the quote thing

Mr Dickovitch · 02-03-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chshkt

something's wrong with the quote thing

Actually something is wrong with your brain.

If you read everything you posted it all comes to one conclusion. The Jews did it.

Nice one you anti-semite fuck.

Veterans Day · 02-03-2006, 08:54 AM

this guy is my new favority GFY'er.

directfiesta · 02-03-2006, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch

Actually something is wrong with your brain.

If you read everything you posted it all comes to one conclusion. The Jews did it.

Nice one you anti-semite fuck.

So tired of that over used argument

mockomo · 02-03-2006, 09:56 AM

everyone believes in what he wants.So, if you don`t want to see the truth in the information you won`t see it,even if bush come to whisper it in your ears.Amazing how some people are so blind for everything.But whatever, they choose it.
I totally agree with chshkt.Come on its so easy and so simple if you want to understand it.And to those guys, who event don`t read the whole stuff and saying something only for saying it.Well it is a pitty.Sorry for my english, falks.Chshkt well done!

Mr Dickovitch · 02-03-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

So tired of that over used argument

You hate the Jews also? It doesn't surprise me.

Mr Dickovitch · 02-03-2006, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mockomo

everyone believes in what he wants.So, if you don`t want to see the truth in the information you won`t see it,even if bush come to whisper it in your ears.Amazing how some people are so blind for everything.But whatever, they choose it.
I totally agree with chshkt.Come on its so easy and so simple if you want to understand it.And to those guys, who event don`t read the whole stuff and saying something only for saying it.Well it is a pitty.Sorry for my english, falks.Chshkt well done!

I will whisper something in your ear. The Jews are coming to get you, run run!!!!

directfiesta · 02-03-2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch

You hate the Jews also? It doesn't surprise me.

Thanks for proving my point...

And no, I was married to one for 14 years ...

I think YOU hate Jews, as a Zionist

Mr Dickovitch · 02-03-2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Thanks for proving my point...

And no, I was married to one for 14 years ...

I think YOU hate Jews, as a Zionist

Your black female lover told me she has the herpes.

chshkt · 02-04-2006, 02:17 PM

General Ivashov: "International terrorism does not exist"
By General Leonid Ivashov

http://www.periodico26.cu/english/op...shov011806.htm

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens.
As the current international situation shows, terrorism emerges where contradiction aggravate, where there is a change of social relations or a change of regime, where there is political, economic or social instability, where there is moral decadence, where cynicism and nihilism triumph, where vice is legalized and where crime spreads.
It is globalization what creates the conditions for the emergence of these extremely dangerous phenomena. It is in this context that the new world geo-strategic map is being designed, that the resources of the planet are being re-distributed, that borders are disappearing, that international law is being torn into pieces, that cultural identities are being erased, that spiritual life becomes impoverished...
The analysis of the essence of the globalization process, the military and political doctrines of the United States and other countries, shows that terrorism contributes to world dominance and the submissiveness of states to a global oligarchy. This means that terrorism is not something independent of world politics but simply an instrument, a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite. It is precisely this elite that constitutes the key element of world terrorism, its ideologist and its "godfather". The main target of the world elite is the historical, cultural, traditional and natural reality; the existing system of relations among states; the world national and state order of human civilization and national identity.
Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people.
Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality.
In this context, if we analyze what happened on September 11, 2001, in the United States, we can arrive at the following conclusions:
1. The organizers of those attacks were the political and business circles interested in destabilizing the world order and who had the means necessary to finance the operation. The political conception of this action matured there where tensions emerged in the administration of financial and other types of resources. We have to look for the reasons of the attacks in the coincidence of interests of the big capital at global and transnational levels, in the circles that were not satisfied with the rhythm of the globalization process or its direction.
Unlike traditional wars, whose conception is determined by generals and politicians, the oligarchs and politicians submitted to the former were the ones who did it this time.
2. Only secret services and their current chiefs hahaha8211; or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations hahaha8211; have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist hahaha8211; let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex.
3. Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance.
The use of the term "international terrorism" has the following goals:
Hiding the real objectives of the forces deployed all over the world in the struggle for dominance and control;
Turning the people's demands to a struggle of undefined goals against an invisible enemy; Destroying basic international norms and changing concepts such as: aggression, state terror, dictatorship or movement of national liberation;
Depriving peoples of their legitimate right to fight against aggressions and to reject the work of foreign intelligence services;
Establishing the principle of renunciation to national interests, transforming objectives in the military field by giving priority to the war on terror, violating the logic of military alliances to the detriment of a joint defense and to favor the anti-terrorist coalition;
Solving economic problems through a tough military rule using the war on terror as a pretext.
In order to fight in an efficient way against international terrorism it is necessary to take the following steps:
To confirm before the UN General Assembly the principles of the UN Charter and international law as principles that all states are obliged to respect;
To create a geo-strategic organization (perhaps inspired in the Cooperation Organization of Shanghai comprised of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan) with a set of values different to that of the Atlantists; to design a strategy of development of states, a system of international security, another financial and economic model (which would mean that the world would again rest on two pillars);
To associate (under the United Nations) the scientific elites in the design and promotion of the philosophical concepts of the Human Being of the 21st Century.
To organize the interaction of all religious denominations in the world, on behalf of the stability of humanity's development, security and mutual support.

MicDoohan · 02-04-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch

Your black female lover told me she has the herpes.

you are such a stupid little fuck - his clear and concise arguments leave your pathetic one liners for fuckin dead.

Then again what the fuck would we expect from some who labels themselves a dick

who · 02-04-2006, 03:30 PM

Why can't anyone in here read what's on offer and accept it as a different point of view, rather than resort to childish slander? People can believe whatever they want - but they should at least be aware of other points of view. Just look at muslims, they are so rigid in their beliefs that they are almost ridiculous.

What you believe should be what you believe - not just the first idea/opinion you've heard. Listen/read them all - then decide. But decide with your brain, not with a bunch of keyboard warrioring..

02-02-2006, 11:26 AM	#3
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02-02-2006, 11:26 AM	#4
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02-02-2006, 08:34 PM	#11
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02-03-2006, 07:47 AM	#16
chshkt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,500	A big problem is that you beleive a lot of the shit you read from non news site and take it for granted... but you don't verify the sources. The book upside down was NOT true. Now I personally beleive there is something beleive, but I don't have the arrogance to pretend I know what happened... Yeah but they are entertaining, much of them can't be confirmed from official sources but even though they are too many correct. Like the illuminati. There's so much proofs. If you connect the dots from all the material on the Internet/Books/Videos you will understand it too. Illuminat means the enlightened ones. The people that knows the secret/s. Keeping the world enslaved with that. I've seen the snopes article that debunks the upside-down book, but so what? That's not something important for the case so i said it because it's funny. But I've also said that he can't read even though he probably can... spell out few words... like freedom and terror. And yes i understand americans (and all the world) that are afraid from the bloody system and don't want to look up because if 7th grader can be investigated from Secret Service for including Bush in his essay or woman can be arrested for a t-shirt or that NSA is spying on everyone they want or the CIA using torture for making the people to admit they're terrorists or whatever, which they are not... then anyone can be manipulated and controlled. That's how we don't get the truths out. Not mentioning the blackmailing of all the congress (and not only) so they can accept their unlawful laws. Few more laws and USA will be equal to Nazi Germany... but that has to stop! I don't understand how the son and the grandson of such nazist (Preston Bush, that helped Hitler's rise to power) can become presidents. Is there anyone who can stand up and say that he wanted that to happen? If not why it happens? Who's ruling the world? Aren't all the people supposed to determine the rules and the way the system works? So instead the nation to rule the government it's vice-versa. Bunch of retards that only little percent brainwashed individuals wants them in office are ruling and making nazism out of a great country and with that the whole world. Their main weapon is fear, if you live in fear (as too many does) you won't question anything, you will live your life as they want it, you will do what they say. Easily accomplished with the fraudulent banking and tax system. So if you are afraid you've done their job. There's so much things that the people are afraid of. Do not be afraid! That's our chance to win this one! __________________ Start An Online Business, FREE!

02-03-2006, 08:08 AM	#17
chshkt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,500	something's wrong with the quote thing __________________ Start An Online Business, FREE!

02-02-2006, 11:07 AM	#1
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Dear chshkt - Please explain exactly what happened on 911. I want some alternate explanations and I think you're the man for the job. No links to other reading plz, I want it in here, if you have some ideas. Thanks.

02-02-2006, 11:23 AM	#2
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02-03-2006, 08:54 AM	#19
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02-03-2006, 09:56 AM	#21
mockomo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8	everyone believes in what he wants.So, if you don`t want to see the truth in the information you won`t see it,even if bush come to whisper it in your ears.Amazing how some people are so blind for everything.But whatever, they choose it. I totally agree with chshkt.Come on its so easy and so simple if you want to understand it.And to those guys, who event don`t read the whole stuff and saying something only for saying it.Well it is a pitty.Sorry for my english, falks.Chshkt well done!

02-04-2006, 02:17 PM	#26
chshkt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,500	General Ivashov: "International terrorism does not exist" By General Leonid Ivashov http://www.periodico26.cu/english/op...shov011806.htm General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens. As the current international situation shows, terrorism emerges where contradiction aggravate, where there is a change of social relations or a change of regime, where there is political, economic or social instability, where there is moral decadence, where cynicism and nihilism triumph, where vice is legalized and where crime spreads. It is globalization what creates the conditions for the emergence of these extremely dangerous phenomena. It is in this context that the new world geo-strategic map is being designed, that the resources of the planet are being re-distributed, that borders are disappearing, that international law is being torn into pieces, that cultural identities are being erased, that spiritual life becomes impoverished... The analysis of the essence of the globalization process, the military and political doctrines of the United States and other countries, shows that terrorism contributes to world dominance and the submissiveness of states to a global oligarchy. This means that terrorism is not something independent of world politics but simply an instrument, a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite. It is precisely this elite that constitutes the key element of world terrorism, its ideologist and its "godfather". The main target of the world elite is the historical, cultural, traditional and natural reality; the existing system of relations among states; the world national and state order of human civilization and national identity. Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people. Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality. In this context, if we analyze what happened on September 11, 2001, in the United States, we can arrive at the following conclusions: 1. The organizers of those attacks were the political and business circles interested in destabilizing the world order and who had the means necessary to finance the operation. The political conception of this action matured there where tensions emerged in the administration of financial and other types of resources. We have to look for the reasons of the attacks in the coincidence of interests of the big capital at global and transnational levels, in the circles that were not satisfied with the rhythm of the globalization process or its direction. Unlike traditional wars, whose conception is determined by generals and politicians, the oligarchs and politicians submitted to the former were the ones who did it this time. 2. Only secret services and their current chiefs hahaha8211; or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations hahaha8211; have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist hahaha8211; let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex. 3. Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance. The use of the term "international terrorism" has the following goals: Hiding the real objectives of the forces deployed all over the world in the struggle for dominance and control; Turning the people's demands to a struggle of undefined goals against an invisible enemy; Destroying basic international norms and changing concepts such as: aggression, state terror, dictatorship or movement of national liberation; Depriving peoples of their legitimate right to fight against aggressions and to reject the work of foreign intelligence services; Establishing the principle of renunciation to national interests, transforming objectives in the military field by giving priority to the war on terror, violating the logic of military alliances to the detriment of a joint defense and to favor the anti-terrorist coalition; Solving economic problems through a tough military rule using the war on terror as a pretext. In order to fight in an efficient way against international terrorism it is necessary to take the following steps: To confirm before the UN General Assembly the principles of the UN Charter and international law as principles that all states are obliged to respect; To create a geo-strategic organization (perhaps inspired in the Cooperation Organization of Shanghai comprised of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan) with a set of values different to that of the Atlantists; to design a strategy of development of states, a system of international security, another financial and economic model (which would mean that the world would again rest on two pillars); To associate (under the United Nations) the scientific elites in the design and promotion of the philosophical concepts of the Human Being of the 21st Century. To organize the interaction of all religious denominations in the world, on behalf of the stability of humanity's development, security and mutual support. __________________ Start An Online Business, FREE!

02-04-2006, 03:30 PM	#28
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Why can't anyone in here read what's on offer and accept it as a different point of view, rather than resort to childish slander? People can believe whatever they want - but they should at least be aware of other points of view. Just look at muslims, they are so rigid in their beliefs that they are almost ridiculous. What you believe should be what you believe - not just the first idea/opinion you've heard. Listen/read them all - then decide. But decide with your brain, not with a bunch of keyboard warrioring.. Last edited by who; 02-04-2006 at 03:31 PM..