Designers - Official Client Blacklist - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

DamageX · 01-27-2006, 01:55 PM

50 designers losing their clients to me.

sextoyking · 01-27-2006, 02:10 PM

All I know in all these years we have been designing at webinc.com we only have less then 6 customers who have ever screwed us over re: payment, etc. The were small little jobs - so not a huge deal.

But I am a collection master

I will track a person down for $20.00 or 2000.00..

99.9% of the time we never have an issue, and never ask for payment upfront.

eroswebmaster · 01-27-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

This project will not only help designers by informing them about who's good and who is not,

While opening up those involved to liability.

DamageX · 01-27-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

While opening up those involved to liability.

Ssshhh, stop trying to help him. Less competition = more money for us with brains.

potter · 01-27-2006, 02:36 PM

DamageX is right on target.

P.S. This thread idea is a terrible one. Take responsibility for your own endeavors. A designer that puts blames onto the client is just showing bad business practice.

tenderobject · 01-27-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

What's great about the idea?

lets put together a blacklist, and only let 5 or 6 people see it, to the exclusion of the hundred of other designers out there ready to get burned...

yup this is right. how aout small companies/outsourced designers and the likes? only 5 lucky design studios would be able to know who's who, who's what?

tenderobject · 01-27-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fris

people i have dealt with that always come through

twistyedbydesigns
damagex
basicman
estup.com
tgp-designer.com/adultblaze.com
galleryguy
tootie
adultdesignkings
team31
sharklaser

peiople i havent dealt with but would recommend

ladymischief
dickmans
webinc
wyldesites
envisionext
bluedesignstudios
tenderdesign

thanks man!

as for this thread. ok jamesK i've red the first page. goodluck bro

DamageX · 01-27-2006, 03:14 PM

BTW, hope the clients start a designer blacklist too. Here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=568937

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:04 PM

You can't come up with good arguments, so you write some bullshit

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tenderobject

thanks man!

as for this thread. ok jamesK i've red the first page. goodluck bro

Thanks. Most people think it's about hating only. It will also praise good customers.

DamageX · 01-27-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

You can't come up with good arguments, so you write some bullshit

Says the guy who suggests discriminating among clients and turning them away.

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Says the guy who suggests discriminating among clients and turning them away.

The truth is no bullshit. Discriminate bad clients, sure. If clients can write about bad experiences with designers then why not otherwise

jonesy · 01-27-2006, 05:17 PM

everyone fucks up once in awhile - its how the fuck up is handled is what matters most.

all this talk of blacklists on either side is a fucking joke because everyone would/could be on it in one way, shape or form.

do your homework before entering into a contract.

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

everyone fucks up once in awhile - its how the fuck up is handled is what matters most.

all this talk of blacklists on either side is a fucking joke because everyone would/could be on it in one way, shape or form.

do your homework before entering into a contract.

Only extreme cases will be listed. If you just act bad against a designer, there's no way your case will be published. We're not drama queens like most others ya know

jonesy · 01-27-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Only extreme cases will be listed. If you just act bad against a designer, there's no way your case will be published. We're not drama queens like most others ya know

whats considered extreme and the criteria?

non payment for services redered no matter the amount is enough to be on any blacklist.

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

whats considered extreme and the criteria?

non payment for services redered no matter the amount is enough to be on any blacklist.

Non payment is not always in the same case. Sometimes clients just waste any designers time, it's not like ANYONE that did ANYTHING BAD will be listed here.

JamesK2 · 01-27-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

All I know in all these years we have been designing at webinc.com we only have less then 6 customers who have ever screwed us over re: payment, etc. The were small little jobs - so not a huge deal.

But I am a collection master

I will track a person down for $20.00 or 2000.00..

99.9% of the time we never have an issue, and never ask for payment upfront.

So you're saying the other 0.01% is not worth listing?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 01-27-2006, 05:49 PM

--MARIAN-- · 01-27-2006, 05:58 PM

I think that you're going to have big problems with determining whom to list, how to "investigate", how to do follow-ups on the case, etc.

If you make such a list "public", how are you going to determine the credibility of the dozens of designers who'd like to badmouth a customer?

I'd never turn down a customer based on some "blacklist" run by people I don't know.

The same goes for a "designer blacklist" run by John Doe, btw.

There are many, many ways you can protect yourself from clients who you call "pain in the ass" - here's a small hint: get it all covered EXTENSIVELY prior to taking the job. I've always done that and I always got paid and I got into a "pain in the ass" client only once and even then, we managed to fix it all without going to GFY or adding one another to some "blacklist".

DamageX · 01-27-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by --MARIAN--

I think that you're going to have big problems with determining whom to list, how to "investigate", how to do follow-ups on the case, etc.

If you make such a list "public", how are you going to determine the credibility of the dozens of designers who'd like to badmouth a customer?

I'd never turn down a customer based on some "blacklist" run by people I don't know.

The same goes for a "designer blacklist" run by John Doe, btw.

There are many, many ways you can protect yourself from clients who you call "pain in the ass" - here's a small hint: get it all covered EXTENSIVELY prior to taking the job. I've always done that and I always got paid and I got into a "pain in the ass" client only once and even then, we managed to fix it all without going to GFY or adding one another to some "blacklist".

webcrawler · 01-27-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by --MARIAN--

I think that you're going to have big problems with determining whom to list, how to "investigate", how to do follow-ups on the case, etc.

If you make such a list "public", how are you going to determine the credibility of the dozens of designers who'd like to badmouth a customer?

I'd never turn down a customer based on some "blacklist" run by people I don't know.

The same goes for a "designer blacklist" run by John Doe, btw.

There are many, many ways you can protect yourself from clients who you call "pain in the ass" - here's a small hint: get it all covered EXTENSIVELY prior to taking the job. I've always done that and I always got paid and I got into a "pain in the ass" client only once and even then, we managed to fix it all without going to GFY or adding one another to some "blacklist".

Not to mention if he has the luxury of time to verify all information to be passed on him.

wyldblyss · 01-27-2006, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Only extreme cases will be published. If you rarely bitch about things then there's NO chance you will be listed on it

So you are basically saying that companies that 'bitch" will be exposed, ICQ logs published etc.?

Ok, so will you publishing a list of all desigers participating because I for one will not be using any of them

Do I bitch, yep, sometimes I do. Most of the time it is for things like missed deadlines. People are hiring a designer for a service, a designer is paid to produce. Now obviously there are going to be disagreements, misunderstanding and sometimes things just do not go right....but if I am going to hire someone, I'll be damned if I feel I have to pussy foot around them and accept whatever shit they throw at me because I'm afraid I might show up on some damn list.

So whatever list YOU have of designers participating, I will get ahold of it and use it as a guide of who NOT to hire...and trust me...I get a TON of design work done.

onno · 01-28-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

James you will end up in court...
You will end up ostracised.

Trust me on this.

In circulation in the underground such information can be found but to make a site whose sole purpose is to discredit or claim or even document issues against a company especially ones in the Us becomes subject to serious legal battles.

You got no idea what you are up against.
I rather see you just designing tours for what they are and filtering clients, or generating traffic and making sales.

There is no reason to stand out and have others work you out of the business.

Dam! at least someone sensible that pointed this to the reality. Not sure in the US, but lots of countries have really strict laws about privacy.

JamesK2 · 01-28-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wyldblyss

Ok, so will you publishing a list of all desigers participating because I for one will not be using any of them

I was drunk when I wrote that so I couldn't get the right words out of my mouth.

A lot of clients bitch. It's not about just bitching. If you read the whole thread you'll know what I mean.

If you don't want to use the designers that participate on this project just because they publish scammers and deadbeat clients (that's really not just bitching, but clients that waste designers time constantly).

I do understand if some clients might not understand what I'm talking about. You have to be a designer yourself to experience this problem.

JamesK2 · 01-28-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

AlienQ, you truely are a fucking assclown.

I wrote a serious response to your post and all you could do was post a pic? Weak.

JamesK2 · 01-28-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by onno

Dam! at least someone sensible that pointed this to the reality. Not sure in the US, but lots of countries have really strict laws about privacy.

Did you read the whole thread or just stop reading at AlienQ's post?

onno · 01-28-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Did you read the whole thread or just stop reading at AlienQ's post?

I read almost all thread, but I only replayed his message because i think he said something really sensible. I cant say about US because i dont live there, but make public personal info about clients with out their authorization is illegal in a lot of countries.

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potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	DamageX is right on target. P.S. This thread idea is a terrible one. Take responsibility for your own endeavors. A designer that puts blames onto the client is just showing bad business practice. __________________

01-27-2006, 03:14 PM	#58
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	BTW, hope the clients start a designer blacklist too. Here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=568937 __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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01-27-2006, 05:58 PM	#69
--MARIAN-- Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 298	I think that you're going to have big problems with determining whom to list, how to "investigate", how to do follow-ups on the case, etc. If you make such a list "public", how are you going to determine the credibility of the dozens of designers who'd like to badmouth a customer? I'd never turn down a customer based on some "blacklist" run by people I don't know. The same goes for a "designer blacklist" run by John Doe, btw. There are many, many ways you can protect yourself from clients who you call "pain in the ass" - here's a small hint: get it all covered EXTENSIVELY prior to taking the job. I've always done that and I always got paid and I got into a "pain in the ass" client only once and even then, we managed to fix it all without going to GFY or adding one another to some "blacklist".