There are a few pornstars using the name Lolita, if I happen to mention their names when reviewing DVDs and listing the cast, is that going to get me into hot water?
Here are some DVD's with girls named Lolita in them
http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...=DVDS ILVER39

http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...DVDL EGEND298

http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...n=DVDP LATX47

http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...en=DVDR ED212

http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...pen=DVDR ED95

Yo man, I've known to stay away from those terms since 2000. You a newb or something?

i never said in this day and age using that word is a good idea.

the word was killed by visa/mc and thats all there is to it anyone still using it will have more problems then it is worth.

ok bottom line is although the word might be thought of as acceptable by some of you much of society and MOST of the online adult industry shuns this word. Simple answer just don't fuckin use it !!!

Apparently you don't seem to be able to understand rules. Visa and Mastercard will make whatever rules they want to make for whatever SIC codes they choose.

Buying a copy of Nabokov's book is not the same to them as buying a subscription to a porn site. Swiping your card at a restaurant or bar of any name is not the same as buying a subsription to a porn site.

Instead of sitting around complaining about what seem to be, and indeed very well may be, abitrary rules, how about spending the time being compliant where the situation does count...

I don't have a site with "lolita" in it... so I am compliant, get off my back.

I have a DVD with the word lolita in it coming out and that side of the industry does not care about it. They sell the same movies in their stores as I will have on my website, with credit cards, with titles with "lolita" in them. The same movies. But to sell it online I can not use the word. That's just stupid and I have every right to bitch about it.

I used my credit card (Visa) to have two 18 year old whores suck my cock and swallow my sperm, dressed as schoolgirls and they were calling me daddy, in a bar called Lolitas, which did have several underage girls working there. If I wanted them, I could of paid underage girls to do this... with my Visa or MasterCard.

The rules are BS, that's all.

It's been like that for a few years..too controversial and I wouldn't want any thing to do with a site either

Where did you come up with that?

No, I think you just took that title with your post. FTP knows of what he speaks. :2 cents:

You got a good point there DWB!

It's true adolescent does not necessarily mean minor. Just look at some of the posts on GFY from adults, they sure are adolescent! :1orglaugh

Exactly! :thumbsup

It's not a damned debating society - more common sense and sane business judgement than anything.

You've hit the nail on the head...

In the US, the connotation is different; absent any other context, "young girl" would probably be presumed to mean more like 5-14, while teenager would more typically mean 13-17. (Or technically 13-19).

Of course context does matter. Two old farts might talk about all the "young girls" running around campus, referring to 18- to 25-year-olds. But judging contextual usage is too subjective and complicated, so terms are banned outright.

sorry i still think he is full of it i used to promote ccbill programs years ago with that word in the domain with fully legal content and my cancels/refunds were the same as any other sponsor at the time.

i guarantee you that i am not... you should try to talk to a compliance manager at a credit card processor to ask them about the sh*t they have to deal with, when it comes to bad affiliates doing bad marketing, that jeopardizes their processing ability with the banks and with VISA.

bad marketing hurts everyone up the chain, starting with the paysite that you promote.. but that thought is usually just a passing one and replaced with how much more PPS money can be made.


Fight the ignorance!

I can understand the denial for "lolita", but "young girl" ? They are too strict..

In other words, don't waste time worrying about things you can NOT control and more time on things you CAN control! :)

girl ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gûrl)
n.

A female child.

Frankly I'd have to say that young girl is actually worse - a YOUNG female child - not good.

i see now why you think the way you do.. you've come to a false conclusion... that since you never got dinged by CCbill for using lolita in your domain name, or had any chargeback issues, therefore there is no issue.

that's the same as sticking your head in the sand and saying there is no problem because you don't see it.


Fight the nose chopping!

if an affiliate was promising people things that were not in the members area yes it can be an issue i never did that and never had an issue so yes what im saying is from what i have seen.

affiliate promising things that are not there is nothing new tho and has nothing to do with a certain word.

nowhere in my posts was i talking about people promising illegal content in members area or actual illegal content.

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Does it make it right?

They are skating on thin ice as it is.

ARS has had this policy for a long time. They list all the "no can do" words on their terms of service.

i rememebr getting my account yanked years ago for the same thing. Years ago. it's in the TOS. You read those things, right?

remove the words...reapply and stop bitching.

no need to use the word lolita or the phrase young girl to convert or get clicks.

What he said, works for both you and ARS..

ARS, dont need it.

OK then, after some thinking, checking thehun's archives for the L word and not finding it there anymore (It was used on that site in the past). I deceided to get rid of the word. 40 minutes editing and my site is 100% lolita free.

Mainly to avoid problems with sponsors and payments in the future, I do understand some of them have a certain fear to be associated with the word, (US based companies that is) and certainly those who are selling the lolita type content.
As it is my intention to offer a quality site towards my surfers I also don't want to be a bad affiliate for my sponsors so I'm clean now.

Now for the term "young girl" that's just rediculous. Like many people mentioned above when for example two old guys are talking about the young hot girls from the university in their city they are referring to 23 year old women. Since I also use terms young chicks, young babes etc.... I am not even gonne start on that subject.

In my native language a young girl can be in the range of 15 years to 23 depending on how the particular girl looks. America is not the world and the world is not America, I think I adjusted my site enough and have to draw the line somewhere. Because if I don't who says I'm not gonne get sued by some animal organisation like PETA because I abuse the term pussy to much and they are sponsored by Visa and so on.....

The main thing is the porn links are clean and have nothing to do with kiddieporn. From time to time I also don't list certain sponsor galleries just because the particular girl in that gallery doesn't look like she has reached adult age in my eyes.

Before I started my site I did check on the controversial term lolita and saw many adult sites are even using it in their keywords or title so I figured it wasn't illegal and didn't see the harm using it in the proper context.

Enough said and thanks to some of the people in this thread who supplied valid arguments to get rid of the word.


GFX3

Then you can't join, no biggy.

What I mean is, "young girl" is a banned term. Arguments about it simply dont matter :)

You are 100% incorrect. You just gave the definition of a "teen", not a "lolita".

"Lolita" is a keyword used to search for girls 17 years old and younger. In other words, girls who are not legal yet.

Dude, ARS has a good reason for banning you because you use that name. I've been to a federal building where a room of feds where scanning the Internet looking for sites with that name. What you or I may think is normal and ok doesn't have anything to do with what the government thinks. You might want to roll the dice and take a risk, but I'm sure ARS doesn't want to be red flagged.

The issue of the word 'lolita' is not US-based.. it's VISA-based. VISA is international and their rules apply to all countries.

I understand your point that sometimes things are so US-centric in view and how we try to export those views to other countries, but you are not dealing with the government here, you are dealing with VISA's TOS that is passed on down the chain.


Fight the blinders!

I understand, I guess your terms are to strict for me. Young girl, young teen are listed but young chick or young ebony aren't. One would get confused :)
I also looked at the list from the US goverment and I'm ok with that list. There wouldn't be a prob if I used thumbs but I went with text, I still want to write my descriptions in a creative style so I don't care I can't be an affiliate.
Besides I write 80 links each day and if I make a mistake in a moment I'm not concentrated and write young teen or something you would close my account according to your terms.

That is not correct. If you knew anything about what pedos really look for you would find out that "lolita" is not a term they really use. Yes, it means a young adolescent girl, but it does not always mean it's an underage girl. There are LOTS of other keywords that they use when looking for CP. There are several detailed reports of this online, go look some of them up and see for yourself. If I have time later I will find them and post them here for you. A very interesting read.

I will also add that true CP is NOT common to find in pay sites or even in the open. All the real CP that is floating around is done so via P2P networks, for free.

I'm not really for or against the word for internet use, I just disagree that it sould be banned when other words are much worse. :2 cents:

Exactly. You can also dress them in pigtails, in schoolgirl costumes, have them suck their thumbs, fuck their daddies friends, ride the school bus and fuck the bus driver, sleep with stuffed animals and over all appear to be underage as long as you don't say they are or use the few silly terms set by visa. :helpme

I'm sorry but the only girls that ride a school bus are underage. The only girls who wear school girl clothes are underage. Having a site that has "virgins" is clearly about underage girls. There is not a virgin that is over 18 years old within 5000 miles from where I'm sitting.

So with that said, I think it's all just a buch of BS and the same people who will bash you for wanting to use "lolita" or "young girl" will promote the exact same site that those terms apply to but worse because the girls will act the part. Schoolgirls, riding the bus, fucking dads friends, virgins, first timers, teens... produced by some of the largest programs on the internet, but that's somehow all ok. The industry is full of fed fearing hypocrites.

And don't even get me started on the Asian niche where the majority of the people promote a site where the guy has HIV and is still shooting. Nobody cares, because promoting such a site will not get them into trouble. It would take Visa or the government to say sites with HIV+ talent are now banned to get them to stop.

Fucking greedy assholes. All of you. :321GFY

lolita word is against visa regulations

that alone sets a rule to follow

:1orglaugh stupidest statement I've read in a long time...

You know what "lolita" means and it's origins, right?

Please this says more about you than it does about my knowledge about the damn word.

Your native language has nothing to do with it. Your site is in English and you're marketing it to Americans. The money you make from it comes from American companies, processed through American processing accounts.

How can you argue with dictionary definitions of words?

lolita - n : a sexually precocious young girl
(precocious - adj. : Showing unusually early development or maturity.)

That means a lolita is a young girl who is sexually developed/mature before her peers typically are. Most females become sexually developed/matured in their mid-teens, so a lolita is someone who is younger than her mid-teens.

girl - n : A female child.

If a girl is a female child, what does that make a young girl?

Listen twit Lolita means underage. The girl in the book was 12. People looking for "lolita" pics are looking for CP, PERIOD. So why are you catering to them? Any dude that likes women to dress up like little girls is a pedophile. He just doesn't want to get caught so he does the next best thing to fill his sicko desires.

As far as "young girl" welll technically "girl" means under 18 though most people us it when refering to women mostly under 25. But when you add YOUNG you are explicity referring to underage girls. One again you want this traffic why? Do you want the FBI to starting keeping tabs on you?