http://www.asacp.org/best_practices.php
Search all sites that direct traffic to your site and parse any sites that use any of the unacceptable terms ( http://asacp.org/list.html ).

ARS is right, and you are wrong. don't use CP words on your site and they should accept you.

you can't be serious?

Only thing lolita does is draw attention to your site you don't want. In most people's minds it implies underage girl, period. If the general public feels this means and underage girl why use it?

From what you are saying teen = 13-19, under 18 = illegal so teen = illegal?

A lolita = Adult person who dresses up (pretending to be) a schoolgirl/ young girl.

Besides from what I read, "young girl" was cool to use in 2000-2001 but things have changed and now it's isn't anymore.

Anyway enough said, this could be an endless discussion. As long as there aren't any strict guidelines about it or laws everybody should make up his own mind.

Just checked on worldsex.com, typed the L word in their searchbox and hey guess what 50 results with links. So let's leave this debate open.

btw, i don't think anyone posted it yet so i will.

Dictionary.com definition of Lolita:

Lohahaha183;lihahaha183;ta ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l-lt)
n.
A seductive adolescent girl.

Good clues there Swippy! :thumbsup

Ironic they have the word "minors" on that list :winkwink: I've been using that word on warning pages for years - instead of "underage" or other closely related terms.

OK.. So we now got to say stuff like "persons who are under 18 years of age" :winkwink:

Sure I am, I'm from Europe. Young girl or teenager means exactly the same in my native language wich is Dutch. That is why I don't see the harm in it.
Perhaps in the US it's different, cultural language difference could be the case.

this argument has been going on forever about the word lolita visa/mc a few years ago banned the word and sponsors banned the word also.

has nothing to do with anything else its pure biz everyone needs to process visa/mc there used to be a ton of teen tgp's with the word lolita in them years ago most people gave up the domains because sponsors would not take traffic from the domains because of visa/mc rules.

ARS are right, you should not be using those terms, remove lolita and instead of young girl, use 18year old girl or something.

50.............

Ok and here an adolescent = adult. Can't argue with the dictionary can you?

Ok now I need to get back to work, writing links that is :1orglaugh

I had the same problem with ARS a couple of years ago, their bot picked up the domain name of a trade I had. The word was in a href only, it wasn't actually visible on the page. When I explained this they made an exception and allowed my app.

In your case I feel more strongly. lolita is definitely not a word that I feel is even remotely associated with an adult female. Wasn't the girl in that movie 14?

(Yes, I know it's also a female name... but the movie has tainted the generic use of that word forever IMHO)

As an adult webmaster running a TEEN site you need to be a little more paranoid than most, and make sure that you can adapt to whatever the industry as a whole deems acceptable or unacceptable.

We know the meaning of lolita, it's not about the meaning of the word, it's about the way it has been used in the past :2 cents:

words like 'lolita' and 'beastiliality' are on visa's banned words list.

ARS uses an IPSP (credit card processor) or their own merchant account that connects to a bank that connects to VISA.

Affiliates that use "badwords" that are connected to ARS become liabilities to ARS from the heirarchy.

Visa slaps the bank, the bank slaps the merchant account, the merchant account slaps ARS.

So ARS is looking out not only for their business but everyone up the chain that will get fined because of bad marketing practices.

The word 'lolita' has been misused by many webmasters to represent "young".

Lolita is pre-pubscent.. under 13-14..

"Young girl"... that's a phrase that is connected with CP.. and while you may be using both terms in context of an 18+ year old model and feel that you are justified, the reality is, the people connected with credit card processing aren't fine with it.

So you could think you might just not promote ARS and try another program that may not be proactive in checking out affiliates... you may get into those other programs.. but eventually, your use of 'lolita' will cause problems for the sponsor, their credit card processer on up.

ARS is doing the right thing in denying you as an affiliate, and it's your choice to continue to use the word 'lolita' be understand that your continued use of the word will bring liability to whatever program you are sponsoring and they will ultimately have to terminate you if they get slapped for having you as an affiliate.



Fight the 7 words!

i agree with ars

So you give in to the abusers, I understand your point of view.

for anyone that cant read visa/mc have banned the word thats why ars checks for it.

i agree with the Shemp

adolscent=adult?

Dictionary says:

n.

A young person who has undergone puberty but who has not reached full maturity; a teenager

So i guess that COULD mean 18/19, but that would be a LOOSE translation ;)

You do realise that the word lolita means underage right?

Boohoo. Too bad.

Also. 'young girl'.

Really, we are treading on thin ice calling models girls anyways, a girl is .. a girl! At 18 .. they become what's called a woman. Ok, so in our society we call most younger women girls. But young girl? That only implies someone way too young to even know what a tampon is let alone being old enough to model.

www.younggirls.com is a paysite :2 cents:

Jees, I use young girl, young chick, young Asian, young chubby chick, young woman, young teen couple, Young pigtailed teen just to have variation. If I would have to ask myself "won't I step on someones toes writing this" every time I write a description I would never get my listings done.


Like I said before this could be endless. I understand the credit card companies and ARS but still when lolita is used in the proper way to describe a gallery nobody could make problems and if they did and you went to court you would get paid.

To me the milton twins are young girls. You can't call them young women, they wear braces and sleep with teddybears or whatever.

To anyone AGAINST porn, the phrase "young girls" and "lolita" mean 12 or 13 year olds. Forget what it means to you, check the TOS. :)

Seriously. Always be asking yourself "How defensible is this?" and you'll be around a lot longer. IMHO plus :2cents

you must not be getting it. there is no "proper" way to use the word "lolita" to describe sexually explicit content.

if you were doing a literary site and you were reviewing the book, the movie, etc.. that's different.

But using 'lolita' as an adjective that describes girls (under 18) is incorrect usuage of the word by the dictionary, incorrect by society (globally), and violation of TOS of ARS and everyone up the food change.

You should be concerned about what "toes get stepped on" based on how your write your text.

A pedo could do a search, and land on your site because of your CP related words.

He joins the paysite you are promoting, thinking that the CP stuff is probably behind closed doors, afterall, you used the CP words on your web page to attract him.

The pedo joins the site, doesn't see CP, does a chargeback.

You may not care about the chargeback if the sponsor doesn't deduct that from you, but the sponsor just ate the loss, their CC processor took a loss,etc.

If enough chargebacks start occurring from the paysite, the cc processor will contact the paysite and ask whats going on.. and look in their records to see that chargebacks might be coming from same affiliate.. they check the affiliate out, see the bad words and terminate them or else be terminated by the credit card processor.

So your actions affect everyone up the chain. If you don't want to take responsibilty to know how you might be causing companies you promote harm, them don't be surprised as you were by ARS when they start denying you or terminating your abilty to be their affiliate.


Fight the second chances!

this is the dumbest post i think in this thread by far.

It's not what you personally think that matters. Re-read this thread, how many people are agreeing with your definitions?

if this wasn't a sarcastic post, then post up what you don't agree with or misunderstood..


Fight the wuh?

You may agree with gfx3 as much as you like. However, Visa and Mastercard DO NOT agree. So much so that they will terminate accounts where they find the word in the site. PERIOD.

the same lolita debate has been going on since 2000 when i ran teen tgp's even back then there were people that had a problem with the word they in general were told to fuck off and no one really cared, there were teen sponsors with no cp with the word lolita in their domains and everything was fine till visa/mc decided lolita was a banned word at that time all the people with lolita domains besides a few got rid of them.

your argument i have never heard of and doubt there is any truth to it.

good info ill have to throw those words into my tgp script so it blocks all that garbage. :thumbsup

people keep arguing a debate that has been going on forever and keep missing this point.

the only point that really matters in this thread.

Huh? Please tell me where adolescent = adult, they are distinctly different.

It's pretty common to have a site rejected for the word Lolita. You should know that, if not, now you do, and that's how we learn.

Lightspeedcash also does not accept any traffic from sites using the word "lolita" on their pages. We also parse all referring urls from every join every day, in case someone wants to play games after they pass our pre-screening. Affiliates found using banned keywords are suspended, and if they refuse to remove the offending words, then their account is closed for TOS violations.

You might think that word is ok, but you are in the minority. We have to do what is necessary to protect our US-based business.

Steve Lightspeed

Yea... you can use "TEEN" but not "LOLITA"... go figure. I think it is fucking stupid as well.

But you can have a site called "[email protected]" and be ok.

We have a DVD coming out called "Asian Lolitas" and the DVD world has no problems with it. It's not about underage girls, but it is about girls who look young enough to still be in high school. Nothing wrong with that. They are all 18+ and never say they are underage.

The internet world has its head up its ass.

Yet they will process sales of the movie called "Lolita" at any of the countless online video stores where you can buy it. They will also process sales for a book called "Lolita" as well several other titles that have "lolita" in the name.

They also process drink bills and sex payments from a blow job bar called LOLITAS in Thailand. Want a blow job in the bar from a girl who is dressed like a school girl? You can pay for it with your Visa or Mastercard.

And all of that is OK?

Agreed.

But there are only TWO legal years of teenagers where it is ok... 18 and 19. All the others... 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 are all referring to underage girls. So how is it the term TEEN is ok?

Teen is worse than Lolita when I hear it because the term lolita does not define an age. It says that the girl is young and immature. An adolescent. girl. The word adolescent does not mean necessarily mean it's a minor.

FYI: There is a town in Texas called Lolita. Lolita is a female name very common in the 1800's and early 1900's.

thank you for admitting that you don't know what you are talking about.

i happen to know what is going on and can back all that i have posted, but that's not really for me to prove.

if you want to use the word lolita, then that's your business. but if you get dropped by a sponsor, then don't let it be a surprise.



Fight the ostrich!