lol I was just indicating why Webcams.com was the best webcam site, which it is

as far as multiple rejoins, if they are from different affiliates we give credit for the sales, for the same affiliate we don't, I think that's pretty standard.

and in regards to not being credited for all sales, why don't you try a test...

go on yahoo messenger or another chat service and pretend you're a model doing webcam shows on ifriends. Talk the surfers into signing up with your clickcash link. Once they are done, have them forward you the confirmation email proving that they signed up. Get 30 people to sign up this way and see how many you get credit for

I can't believe you are too illogical to admit that the best domain name in the business does not mean perceived customer trust .. like I said before that is basic marketing :) I am logical enough to admit that ifriends is still a good site and worthwhile to send traffic to.

And for anyone who has not tried Webcams.com here is our link:

http://www.webcams.com/affiliate/

lol

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ifriends+fraud

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ff&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...am&btnG=Search

interesting thread :2 cents:

I can't tell you if it is standard or not to keep giving credit to people who signup multiple times to through different affiliate links, but I can tell you, you are asking for a lot of fraud problems. I am sure there are people who will exploit this and i wouldn't be surprised if you change it at some point in time now that people are aware of it.


you are sounding more and more like an amateur.

so you really think webcams.com is the BEST out there. What do you have to back this other then your opinion? .... nothing. that's right. Does your site have the most affiliates. most models online, biggest variety to choose from, best features for the customers, do you payout more to affiliates, do you have affiliates that make a million+ a year. I could go on and on, on what deterimes the best company out there. And while some of the factors are subjective, webcams.com is not even in the ball park none the less. Being in the company of cams.com, ifriends, etc. you think you are the best, lol.

so your proof is to get some dude to fake being a model in a chatroom and try to get people to signup. When the surfer says he signed up and you don;t see the sale, that is your fucking proof. :helpme You have got to be kidding me. I don't signup to ifriends every day, but to my knowledge the person does not revceive a confirmation email. Do you know how many times the surfer lies, or gives in and say's they have signed up just to get the girl (or dude pretending to be a girl) to stop asking him to signup, or thinking she will give him something for free. I know first hand, i use to own/opperate a webcam house and I use to have the girls go whore for signups. More then half the time the guy would swear he signed up but he didn't. And this was using ibill, not clickcash. When you try to trick someone do you really expect them to be truthfull back to you? :1orglaugh so clickcash doesn't give people credit for all of their sales because some guys in a chatroom told you they signed up. Even if some sales got lost because the person clicked the non adult signup, or they had cookies disabled, at the end of the day you still make a lot more with clickcash. Ask around, even the people who use them and bitch still tell you this is the case.

The best domain in the business is sex.com. For webcams, I personally like cams.com better. And no, the domain alone doesn't really mean that much to the customer. if the domain was cjdhfkd.ru then yeah, i doubt many people would put their credit card number in but, if it was webcams.com or livecams.com or naughtycams.com no I don't think instills any more or less trust into the surfer.

Man, you are a tool. What experience do you have in this industry? or in marketing that you claim to know so much about.

If you knew anything you would know that all large companies that do a high volume of transactions will always have people that complain. I could do the same search for ebay, paypal, microsoft, adultfriendfinder, etc.... Why don't you wait till you are actually in business for a couple years and if you can do any kind of volume at all you will have you fair share of fraud complaints.

You are full of yourself -- this equals higher conversions too ?

your scrub is low.. so you say, and everyone else is high then ? If your scrub is too low you will be out of business. And those webpages, wow they are so much better then all the other webcam sites :1orglaugh and that name, or that name, the name along converts 10:1 times better then cams.com. :error

For all the success of ifriends, their site is a real pain in the ass and from a usability pov, a disaster. Don't get me wrong, I do know they convert reasonably well but in the year+ I've been using clickcash I've barely seen anything new added to their affiliate tools section.

Webcams.com seems to be constantly adding and improving which, as an affiliate, I'd say is a good thing.

Webcams.com is a new site, see what they have added new in 10 years from now, muchless if they are still around.

clickcash has added stuff over the last year (not much) , but you also have to search ifriends for new features, like groups, or fan club pages, etc.. you can link to these different sections as well.

I am always an option to work with. I probably have 10x more promos and plug-ins that you can use for clickcash plus one on one help. You can think of me as a rep, that actually knows what he is doing. We all know most reps are reps and not advertisers for a reason.

check out some of my new promos:

http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/geo-targeting.htm Can't say that clickcash doesn't offer geo-targeting anymore. Unlike other affilite programs, my script allows you to place the location any where you want, with your own promos or mine. I also have 3 options available, the correct city(local city according to your ip), a close city (random city with in 300 miles of you), and a random city (pulls any random city). Here is a little free advice for everyone, surfers are catching on to geo-targeting, those of you who show like 8 girls and all 8 are from the surfer's city, LOL they are not falling for that shit anymore. You need to mix it up now, have 1 -2 from their local city, 1 or 2 from a city close, and the rest random, this will sell them every time and convert geo-targeting 100% better. Also this requires no programming on your end, it is simple java script that you place on your site. For those of you who like to steal, it is protected, I have to authorize you to use it.(suggestions/consulting like this is also included in addition to the promos I create for to those of you who work with me.)

http://www.teamclickcash.com/promo/webcam-plugin.htm - this displays some of the chathost who are live on cam right now. Plugin can be modified by size, color, categories, which category displays on page load, etc... I am working on several other variations/layouts for this. Connects either to their profile or to their live chatroom on ifriends.

Working example of geo-targeted add made for TCC member: www.cruisingforcams.com/cfs/demo.htm

I have several other promos and several more in the works... So i know you guys say Clickcash doesn't provide a lot of tools, but i do, so whats the difference really ? I don't charge for my services, just ask you refer me.

I tried and signed up for ifriends couple of months ago.
Afaik to get my account activated I was supposed to fax
some documents which I thought its pretty retarded for this day of age.
Oh well.

having to fax or mail a signed agreement is retarded? Some compaines actually take their TOS seriously. More so then just clicking [YES] I agree.

It's not like they even make you wait to get started. You can start right away, just need to get them the docs before you get your first check.

Yes I think its retarded. You see we invented this thing called internet, read
about it. When you see a company asking you to use deprecated tools
just because they can't go with the times its obviously a turn off for
me and prolly many others.
Good thing they didn't require smoke signals.
At the end of the day, fuck em, I got others to chose from.

glad to hear that you do well with clickcash, unfortunately most can't say the same.

I don't really do anything with cams directly anymore, but I did promote clickcash(ifriends) from 1999-2003.

the only real changes they made during those years were up the base signups and lower the payouts.

I've tried just about every cam sponsor, and besides hsn pre-ifriends backbone (where you are fucked if the people signing up already used that card on ifriends), webcams.com is one of the best converting so far. not only in click to sale ratio, but dollar per clicked traffic earned. not to mention the only traffic they recieve from me currently is not really cam friendly, I just needed to fill banner space.

I'd love nothing more to see clickcash get off its ass and do a little updating. a new outdated affiliate design just doesn't cut it. ifriends is still using windows 95 while the rest of the market is preparing for longhorn. was a great program prior to this time 2002ish, maybe one day it will be revived.

deprecated tools ?

there is still such a thing as a signature that the law still gives a lot of weight to. You sound like you are 18, you think the fax machine is obsolete ?

When you grow up and sign real contracts you will understand this.

missinformed idiot.

ask around, most people do well with clickcash, how do you explain the fact that they payout more each month then most, if not all, other affiliate programs???

Just because you stopped making money with them doesn't mean everyone else has. they have also added a good bit of tools over the years, i guess you missed them. Also, you didn't see my post where I offer tools for people. Or hey how about this, you make your own. wow how hard is that?

and their outdated site, you really haven't looked around ifriends lately.They added a lot of new features and sections to ifriends. As far as the design/look, hey why fix it if it isn't broke. It obviously works, why change it?

I happen to sign a lot of contracts, that doesn't mean I have to like
the way its beeing done. However thats mainstream stuff.
I certainly won't do this for the right to make them money.
You probably consider google and others alike not a real business because
they don't ask for such things.
As far as I'm concerned they can stay like that forever I really have
nothing to lose from that.

You know what, if you wanna talk to me from now on you should
send me a mail or fax :1orglaugh

Hey hey. Our affiliate program www.visit-x.net/webmaster is doing well. I wouldn't have thought that visit-x.net would convert as well, I guess I was wrong. Those are my 10 cents to the topic.

I agree that the whole fax thing is really stupid, uh why the fuck cant I email the signed pdf to you guys...oh ya because you dont have anyone that answers email on a regular basis. It makes 0 sense that faxes are only accepted, I'm fine with signing the stupid thing but really why cant it be emailed its not the 80s, they still have those giant cell phones over at clickcash?

and see sig

I'm sure glad you are not an actual ifriends "rep", as your endless defence/ranting/insulting sure aren't winning any new fans.

Many of the points here are valid and in regards to the lack of tools, they shouldn't just be available to people like you, most cam sites make excellent promo tools for ALL webmasters ... and listen to their affiliates by adding new ones sometimes.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

CC would can your account quick like

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

haha

a little too defensive eh?

it's ok. while the rest of the industry moves forward, keep on truckin'.. backwards.

LOL good to see will76 back at it again keeping everyone on their toes.

Welcome back will :)

good thing clickcash has terrible support and pathetic promo tools so will can stay in business :1orglaugh

you are an idiot. go fax yourself.

it can be mailed through the mail too, if you don't have a fax. I mean all you little bitches crying about this why? why the crying that you need to fax something, Listen to yourself, you say why can't i just sign it, scan it, and email it. Well who the fuck cares, is it that much harder to print it and fax it? What's the fucking difference. Or how much harder to hit print, sign it, and instead of scaning you put it in a fucking envelope and drop it in the mailbox. How fuckign hard is that, little bitches probably spend all day just trying to find something to complain about.

i don't give a shit if you like me or not you can honestly kiss my ass for all i care Get your shit straight, the tools are not just available to 'people like me". I made the tools myself, is it ok if I can use them since I made them. I also let other people who work with me use them too. Everything Clickcash makes is available to all ClickCash users. I am a successful webmaster and I know what works best and I share that with people I work with. I am not that selective with who I work with either so it pretty much leaves the door open to people who actually make a few bucks and have a good attitude. I don't need any of you, i make 95% of my income from my own sales. I like working with people though, but not the ones that bitch and complain. I am easy to work with, just ask the people work with me. I am not a kiss ass like most of the company owners here.

hey, good to be back. Nothing like wasting 10 mins a week on people who think they know it all but make jack shit, as evident from the posters in this thread.

in reply to one resident idiot of this post... I'll just keep on trucking backwards making more and more each year (over the last 5 years).

Congrats on the new addition to the family. :thumbsup

nice reply to my other early posts....

FYI, fucktard, 95% of my income is from my own sales, not referrals.

What is your role with webcams.com ? are you a rep, owner, employee, what?

I hope you are an owner, it would be ashame if you are actually getting paid to work.

Each and every cam program has some certain area of weakness.



well, except for WebcamCash

when an affiliate has to make tools for the sponsor then
no doubt that sponsor has reached its maximum.
will I don't know your connection with clickcash here but
you're obviously blind

you are right, who am i to know anything about this. You have it all figured out. You are the guy making 20K+ a week, and I am making nothing. I just talk for the sake of talking... i don't know nothing, I am just posting here inbetween my McDonalds shifts. I'm just a surfer who thinks he knows it all, you are the man making all the money, and obviously knows what he is talking about. how did i ever doubt you. I must be blind.

it's the sheep and clueless like you that are going to start to give me an attitude on here. For now on if you want to try to "tell me something" and that I am wrong, either have the sales each week to back it up or shut the fuck up. If you don't make more then 10K a week then don't talk to me like you are trying to clue me in on something.

will you are a funny guy.

I'll take the idiot remarks as a compliment, I do good business.

if you were a little less tempermental perhaps more would be willing to take a shot at "TCC." hell maybe even anti-CC people like myself.

webcams.com pays well, converts well, and I'm paid every monday.

a question(s), what do you do with the traffic that doesn't convert on ifriends? do you do still push ifriends to the traffic leaving?

You're not blind, your just a shill for iFriends which makes anything you have to say about them suspect. We all know that iFriends CS sucks, it's practically non-existent. They don't supply "much" for affiliate. They claim to have the most models, but most models have 5-10 accounts on there so you can't really tell. And there's been other threads on here about people who have done tests to show that iFriends shaves (not to mention other tests people have done and talked about but not posted, including other WMs signing up thru referal links). If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. Nothing you say can change any of that. Why don't you stick to your own threads to suck in the newbs.

oh so just because you make 10k a week you're right and I'm sheep.
Lol, yea I see the logic in that.

LOL dude do you ever read anything before posting? This seems to be a recurring pattern.

how hard is it for them to accept it by email? mail and fax are so old school, you can call me a bitch all you want everyone on here who actually knows me knows what volume of signups I'm sending. When I have programs practically begging me to put up their ads I'm not gonna bend over backwards to promote clickcash. To be honest I dont even trust them, why dont they have any icq contacts? even emailing them is a lost cause.

I don´t intend to take sides here, and Dickmans Design doesn´t do any business related to webcams, nor we have big webcam clients, but I wanna say that Will76, you are an intelligent guy - interesting opinions / line of thought. I dont really care if Ifriends is good, cams.com is good, webcams.com is good or anything - just want to say you write stuff that makes sense. Good read!

Bruno Dickman :thumbsup

well you are really making a name for yourself.. congratulatons buddy :)

http://www.webcams.com/affiliate/

As far as trying to get people to join TCC, thats not why I am here. Go look at the signup page on my site, it is invitation only. I pretty much hand select the people I want to work with and I don't have the time for noobs, which is the majority of the people who chime in on this site anyway.

here are my comments to your early post with a little less sarcasim. You claim that clickcash was a great program, now payouts are lower, etc. What am I a freak of nature ? How can what you say be true if I keep making more and more money with ClickCash. Last year, 2005 was my best year yet with them, but you say they have sucked since 2002... How can this be? Could it be possible that I am doing something right and maybe you are doing something wrong, and it has nothing to do with clickcash? please educate me, how can i be doing so damn well with a program that you say is trucking backwards. I generated over 1.5 million is sales in 2005 from my own traffic with clickcash, and you have the nerve to tell me I am truckin backwards....

Find one post where i argued that clickcash had great or even good customer service. Find another post where I said they supply a lot of tools to webmasters. I am not disputing that.

But person after person continue to chime in here and they don't know jack shit about what they are talking about. ifriends does have more models, there is a function called "show unique names mode." on the main page of the site. There are currently 3754 live chat sessions, when I enable unique names it shows 1932. That means that there are 1932 models on ifriends as of right now doing a combined 3754 live rooms. Go find me a cam site that has more then 1932 models live, even the sites where they all share the same chathost platform can not touch this. Ifriends DOES have the most models on and this is easy to prove.

i don't want to change your mind, you are an idiot. I do want other people who happen to read this thread see the truth. I am not a shill. I have been advertising clickcash for over 5 years and I make 7 figures from them every year. How many other people can say that about the affiliates they send their traffic to? Honestly, the last thing i want to do is get a bunch of newbies to email asking me how can i help them get more traffic, etc.. I don't have time for that shit, so your assumption that, this is why I am here posting is dead wrong. Like i said earlier I hand select who i work with. I am here posting in this thread (which i might fucking add was titled " which webcam sites convert the best" ) to correct idiots like you from the bullshit you post about clickcash. So you keep getting your information for "other threads here" which are more people like you posting about shit they know nothing about, I will keep informing people of the truth when it comes to clickcash, and if you don't like it you can keep replying making yourself look like an idiot.

lol believe me, it is very apparent you don't see the logic. let me try to make this simple for you to understand. If you make money, you must know what you are doing/talking about. If you don't make money then it is pretty obvoius that you don't know what you are talking about. If you don;t make money but you think you know more then someone who makes 100x more then you, then you are the person that is blind.... deaf... and dumb.

BTW, I make a lot more then that a week.

If you do the volume you say you do then it baffles me that you would let a fax vs. email of the webmaster agreement stop you from making more income.

Seriously, maybe it is not hard for them to accept email, but fax/mail is the way their program is setup. If your determining factor of using them or not is because of the way they accept the webmaster agreement then I don't think that is too bright on your part. I wouldn't even consider that as an issue muchless a deteriming factor. I am worried about things like, how much I get paid and receiving checks, etc...

I expect the noobs here to argue about insignificant shit like having to fax it, but I am surprised that someone who does well for themself would even see this as an issue to using a company and making themselves more money.

if they wanted me to sign it with green cryon and mail it on a monday in a yellow envelope I wouldn't careless. I am thankfull to be working with them and making a lot of money, a lot more then i ever made from any other company. I am even more thankfull that I didn't let something VERY insignificant prevent me from joining them in the first place.

thank you. The last thing I want to sound like is a "know-it-all". But, when you have people who are lucky to pay their rent money come on here and try to tell me about a company (clickcash) that they have never tried how it works and doesn't work, etc.... I have no choice but to tell them to stfu.

GFY is has a ton of people who think they know it all but they don't make shit. I really wish people would address themselves first before trying to jump into a conversation. " Jon here, 25,000 post count, i make $40 a week and have been on GFY for 5 years..... i just want to say you are blind, you don't know anything." :1orglaugh We all know who some of the more successful people here are (very short list), and then there is everyone else with a few mixed in that stay low key.

I would just love to know WHO is giving me advice or telling me I am wrong. If it was coming from someone who is successful, I would listen a lot closer and give them the benefit of the doubt and think about what they are saying. I know I don't know it all and I am always open to listening to those who are more successful then me, hell i encourage their feedback.

Don't you have more threads to go start and replies to make blowing your company?



So what is your relation to webcams.com? Do you own the company, are you a rep, or just an office employee? Or are you content? do you show off in the guys rooms?

Please let us know your affiliation to the company.

ok, i'll be mature. I take back the statement. i'd rather focus on money than sarcastic banter.

I'm sure there are ways to still make money with CC. I'm glad you found a niche or way of doing so that is highly profitable.

I simply can't convert CC to my expectations and right now Webcams.com meets MY demands.

This is nice.... I much prefer talking to people like this as well.

Here is my thoughts on what you posted. Advertising is not that easy. Most people find one way to advertise that works and that is all they do, they never change anything or do anything differently. First of all I applaud them for finding something that works, it is not easy to do and takes a lot of hard work to profect a traffic source and turn it into money. What most people don't realize is that there are several SEVERAL ways to make money online that others have tried and failed at. It takes a person that can do it a little different that makes them money from it, being a little creative and thinking out of the box. It also might take you 20 attempts at something before you get it right too.

Now where most of these people fail, is because once they find something that works they run it into the ground and switch a lot of sponsors along the way. If you doing good at something people will sooner or later catch on and copy you. So you need to stay one step a head of them and always reinventing yourself and doing it better. When most people who keep doing the same thing (using the same page, ads, same approach, etc...) start to decline in sales they blame it on the affiiate company. So they switch to something new (which usually gives them something new, new promos, new signup page, etc) and they *usually* see a spike in sales and think the new sponsor is doing better. Where as all along the orginal one might have been the best if they changed up the way they were advertising them. Sooner or later the new sponsor will decline and they will keep jumping ship and they never realize it is them and not the company.

I could help you make 3x more money then you are making from webcams.com right now by switching back to clickcash. It's not the sponsor to blame. Clickcash by far pays the best of any company out there, by using another company you are leaving money on the table.

I've been promoting iFriends since 2001. They used to be my top sponsor, but then their conversion rates droped as everyone else started promoting them and they increased their payouts. Hell, I had some of the huge tgps "stealing" my ads because they were doing so well for me. In fact, a lot of the TGPs in my "niches" have "borrowed" my techinques of promoting iFriends for themselves. All these "iframe" ads people are doing showing who's live etc., I was doing in 2001 with a custom script pulling who was live from the iFriends pages. When the surfer clicked on their image, they were sent straight to a page that showed who was live which included the girl they were interested in. Still far better than a lot of the current iframe ads. I still promote them and they're still my best webcam sponsor but that's not a fair comparision since I haven't spent as much time on marketing material for the other ones yet. So please, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I just focus on other sponsors and use iFriends as a type of "upsell".

The reason "your" money etc. keeps going up is because
A. you focus primarily on promoting them, maybe even them exclusively which means you are constantly adding more and more promotions for them thus garnering more and more traffic that will buy.
B. You're also getting people to sign up under you and as you yourself said, you're cherry picking who you take on so that you know they'll make you money.
C. And quite frankly, if you're as big a player with them as you say you are, you're going to be getting special treatment that other smaller affiliates won't get. i.e. in return for you shilling for them.

I've run my own "tests" my friend. And after having dozens of other WMs signup under me and very few of them actually show up, it becomes pretty clear what's going on.

Bottom line is this. Yes, I hold my nose as I make more money from clickcash than other cam programs. But when the day comes that I make more money from someone else (and pussycash is slowly getting up there), I'll be jumping ship as I don't want to do business with a company that shows disdain for their affiliates and who is shady as I have proven to my own satisfaction. You'll never see me argue with you that you can make a lot of money with clickcash, but I'm not going to say they're the best webcam sponsor. The best sponsor is more than just how much money you can make with them. There's morals, ethics and a "partnership" aspect to it as well.

So you can go on and on about how you make 7 figures, blah blah blah and spouting off your version of the "truth". The rest of us will do the same.