ACLU Sues Bush Spy Program - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 10:55 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/17/D8F6IGKO0.html

Begun, the clone war has.

Phoenix · 01-17-2006, 11:05 AM

Bush is running for god after his presidency

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Bush is running for god after his presidency

That's funny! Makes for a great editorial cartoon idea...muahahahahaaaaa!

pr0 · 01-17-2006, 12:27 PM

donate to the aclu

stickyfingerz · 01-17-2006, 12:49 PM

Suing for something that is legal....

sfera · 01-17-2006, 01:04 PM

aclu lmao ok

stev0 · 01-17-2006, 01:11 PM

As long as it's ONLY used to prosecute terrorists I can understand the reason behind the spy program... but it has likely been abused just as the patriot act has.

kane · 01-17-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Suing for something that is legal....

The way I understand it he broke the law. I guess, because of the patriot act, they can spy on people without a warrent but then they have to go back, after the fact and still get that warrent. The idea is that if they get info on a terrorist action they can spy right now and not wait a day or longer to get the warrent. Once they are done they have to go to a judge and get the warrent and make it retroactive. And in many of the cases they have had, they have not bothered to go back and get the warrents they are supposed to get whice makes it illegal.

xclusive · 01-17-2006, 02:42 PM

good hope some truth comes out of this

spanky part 2 · 01-17-2006, 03:06 PM

Sometimes the ACLU does the right thing.

pornguy · 01-17-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Bush is running for god after his presidency

Why run for it, when he can just invade, and take over.

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix
Bush is running for god after his presidency

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Why run for it, when he can just invade, and take over.

ROFLMAO! I can see it now:

NSA: "Mr. President, the intelligence agencies has concluded that there are Al Queda sympathizers in Heaven and are endangering our interests! "

Bush: " Well we can't have that now can we? Get Rumsfeld on the line and use the Patriot Act to put bugs in all the angels' halos and send in a predator drone to bomb the pearly gates to let them know we mean business! "

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The way I understand it he broke the law. I guess, because of the patriot act, they can spy on people without a warrent but then they have to go back, after the fact and still get that warrent. The idea is that if they get info on a terrorist action they can spy right now and not wait a day or longer to get the warrent. Once they are done they have to go to a judge and get the warrent and make it retroactive. And in many of the cases they have had, they have not bothered to go back and get the warrents they are supposed to get whice makes it illegal.

That's scary. The bottom line is for the first time in U.S. history the Executive Branch has been granted unprecedented powers of domestic intervention regarding privacy. Sure, if all apples were sweet the justification is fighting terrorism, but it's the industrialists and elite that fostered that terrorism in the first place by invading the middle east and cutting it up and propping up these dictators. Now when their asses are on fire they wanna fart smoke the other way?

You KNOW these invasive actions were, are, and will be abused. Bush may well be in a situation where's he's up against the wall. He knows full well how corrupted the infrastructure of politics and global industry have become but he's got no where to go but to follow through on 'his' agendas or he'll be the target of the people who are supposed to be supporting him.

Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Gore is bitching about it but he forgot that it was the Clinton Administration that allowed the failed Eschelon email snooping program.

pr0 · 01-17-2006, 05:42 PM

For over eighty-five years the ACLU and its members have been there to stand up for freedom when our leaders disregard and defy the Constitution.

We follow in that tradition today with the filing of ACLU v. NSA, a lawsuit seeking an end to the secret program of illegal electronic surveillance, authorized by President Bush.

Our lawsuit claims that this spying program violates Americans' rights to free speech and privacy under the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution and that the president has exceeded the limits of executive authority under separation of powers principles.

The suit was filed in federal district court in Michigan, on behalf of several prominent journalists, scholars, attorneys, and national nonprofit organizations (including the ACLU) who frequently communicate by phone and email with people in the Middle East.

Though our president claims he can authorize warrantless spying on Americans, this surveillance program is illegal. The ACLU has launched an intensive effort to put an end to the program and restore lawfulness to government and law enforcement activities.

In addition to the ACLU v. NSA lawsuit, we've launched a multi-channel ad campaign, a widespread call for congressional hearings, and are urging the appointment of a special counsel who can independently investigate the actions of this administration and prosecute any and all crimes committed.

In the coming days, watch for news about our suit and other continuing efforts. Partisans in Washington have already been scrambling to undermine inquiries into the NSA scandal, but this lawsuit is grounded in our most basic American principles, and not driven by the tides of politics or spin.

Please continue to stand with us. Look for our advertisements in print and on the Web. Join our call for a special counsel and urge your friends to do the same. Your support has been, and will continue to be, fundamental to our success.

I'm never more proud to lead the ACLU than on days like today when we take the bold steps needed to preserve fundamental Constitutional principles. Through our actions, we will see that justice prevails.

spanky part 2 · 01-17-2006, 05:44 PM

My question is that Bush keeps touting that he has all these war powers to fight the war on terror. OK when do we know the war is over? There has always been terrorists somewhere and always will be. So it looks to me like we are giving the executive branch unlimited powers forever.

Does that mean he has war powers until he leaves office, or does he take them with him when he leaves?

pr0 · 01-17-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

My question is that Bush keeps touting that he has all these war powers to fight the war on terror. OK when do we know the war is over? There has always been terrorists somewhere and always will be. So it looks to me like we are giving the executive branch unlimited powers forever.

Does that mean he has war powers until he leaves office, or does he take them with him when he leaves?

If you've ever read the book 1984, or seen the movie equillibrium, they pretty much sum it all up for ya.

spanky part 2 · 01-17-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

If you've ever read the book 1984, or seen the movie equillibrium, they pretty much sum it all up for ya.

More like the book "Animal Farm"

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 09:41 PM

Here's the deal on what's really going on. You tech-heads should know by now.

We're at an age in technological advances that exceed the imaginations of the best sci-fi writers. Nano technology, energy, textiles, medical. Every day it's like a new marvel emerges and that right there is the rub.

At any given moment some brainiac could emerge and muster up a new super weapon or super idea that could change the way we do business. The industrialists have to stop that and control it. Americans are inventors. Our history shows more inventions than you can shake a stick at. Same with Austria and Germany back in the early 1900s. Even Einstein worked in the patent or copyright offices of Austria then.

Bottom line, steal the ideas and kill the dreamers before someone catches on. Can't have another Bill Gates popping up. Only justification for that kind of theft?

You got it: War.

Same thing Hitler did. Started a war and ripped Europe off. The inventions he stole ended up in American, Soviet and British hands.

Any one of you on this board is sharp enough to come up with the better mousetrap. Could change political balance.

It's the 1930's all over again.

ronbotx · 01-17-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

good hope some truth comes out of this

Me too. Hopefully it will show that the left, the democrats, and the ACLU are full of shit.

The president is well within his rights as stated in the constitution.

The ACLU is scum that protects the rights of pedophiles and terrorists...

spanky part 2 · 01-17-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Me too. Hopefully it will show that the left, the democrats, and the ACLU are full of shit.

The president is well within his rights as stated in the constitution.

The ACLU is scum that protects the rights of pedophiles and terrorists...

My bet is that if the feds came after you for obscenity, they would be your first call.

Greg B · 01-17-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Me too. Hopefully it will show that the left, the democrats, and the ACLU are full of shit.

The president is well within his rights as stated in the constitution.

The ACLU is scum that protects the rights of pedophiles and terrorists...

Oh that's horseshit!

The ACLU has protected extreme right wing racists for decades as well. The President is within his rights as far as the Legislative and Judicial branches allow. But seeing as the Judicial branch has been flakey over the past few years it ain't a wonder they're letting this nonsense continue.

tony286 · 01-17-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ronbotx

Me too. Hopefully it will show that the left, the democrats, and the ACLU are full of shit.

The president is well within his rights as stated in the constitution.

The ACLU is scum that protects the rights of pedophiles and terrorists...

Thats why your buddy Rush ran for their help sheep lol

stickyfingerz · 01-17-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stev0

As long as it's ONLY used to prosecute terrorists I can understand the reason behind the spy program... but it has likely been abused just as the patriot act has.

Well really? Please provide links and proof of either of the programs being abuse. Its pure complete utter conjecture on your part.

stickyfingerz · 01-17-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The way I understand it he broke the law. I guess, because of the patriot act, they can spy on people without a warrent but then they have to go back, after the fact and still get that warrent. The idea is that if they get info on a terrorist action they can spy right now and not wait a day or longer to get the warrent. Once they are done they have to go to a judge and get the warrent and make it retroactive. And in many of the cases they have had, they have not bothered to go back and get the warrents they are supposed to get whice makes it illegal.

Maybe you dont even understand what they are doing. They are tracing INCOMING calls of KNOWN terrorist suspects calling U.S. citizens. Do you REALLY have a problem with that?

stickyfingerz · 01-17-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Thats why your buddy Rush ran for their help sheep lol

Ya cause Rush is so broke he cant afford his own representation.....

DaddyHalbucks · 01-17-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg B

Gore is bitching about it but he forgot that it was the Clinton Administration that allowed the failed Eschelon email snooping program.

Yup, the Wooden Man is a fool (and a hypocrite).

Clinton/ Gore also spied against Aldrich Ames, a US citizen, without a warrant.

DaddyHalbucks · 01-17-2006, 11:16 PM

The ACLU is out in left field. I won't be renewing my membership.

It's strange how the Looney Left goes after Bush when they imagine he breaks the law to protect the country, but these same lefties are strangely silent when liberals like Bill Clinton who blatantly break the law for personal gain. They also conveniently forget how Clinton did similar spying, and even, how Clinton was super aggressive in assertions of executive priviledge. Clinton sought expanded executive power to cover up and break the law, whereas Bush merely wants to protect our country.

It's sad.

websiex · 01-17-2006, 11:30 PM

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
- Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution

1) Bush violated the rights of the people by spying on US citizens.

2) Bush didn't use Warrants, which are specifically required to conduct a search on a US citizen according to the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

3) Bush hasn't proven probable cause for any search thus far; probable cause is required for a warrant.

4) Bush hasn't described the place to be searched to any US court, secret or public; therefore, violating the United States Constitution, the Fourth Amendment in specific.

There are the facts presented, you decide.

01-17-2006, 10:55 AM	#1
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01-17-2006, 11:05 AM	#2
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01-17-2006, 05:42 PM	#14
pr0 rockin tha trailerpark Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: ~Coastal~ Posts: 23,088	For over eighty-five years the ACLU and its members have been there to stand up for freedom when our leaders disregard and defy the Constitution. We follow in that tradition today with the filing of ACLU v. NSA, a lawsuit seeking an end to the secret program of illegal electronic surveillance, authorized by President Bush. Our lawsuit claims that this spying program violates Americans' rights to free speech and privacy under the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution and that the president has exceeded the limits of executive authority under separation of powers principles. The suit was filed in federal district court in Michigan, on behalf of several prominent journalists, scholars, attorneys, and national nonprofit organizations (including the ACLU) who frequently communicate by phone and email with people in the Middle East. Though our president claims he can authorize warrantless spying on Americans, this surveillance program is illegal. The ACLU has launched an intensive effort to put an end to the program and restore lawfulness to government and law enforcement activities. In addition to the ACLU v. NSA lawsuit, we've launched a multi-channel ad campaign, a widespread call for congressional hearings, and are urging the appointment of a special counsel who can independently investigate the actions of this administration and prosecute any and all crimes committed. In the coming days, watch for news about our suit and other continuing efforts. Partisans in Washington have already been scrambling to undermine inquiries into the NSA scandal, but this lawsuit is grounded in our most basic American principles, and not driven by the tides of politics or spin. Please continue to stand with us. Look for our advertisements in print and on the Web. Join our call for a special counsel and urge your friends to do the same. Your support has been, and will continue to be, fundamental to our success. I'm never more proud to lead the ACLU than on days like today when we take the bold steps needed to preserve fundamental Constitutional principles. Through our actions, we will see that justice prevails. __________________ __________ Loadedca$h - get sum! - Revengebucks - mmm rebills! - webair (gotz sErVrz)

01-17-2006, 12:49 PM	#5
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	Suing for something that is legal....

01-17-2006, 01:04 PM	#6
sfera Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: ICQ: 248877409 Posts: 8,597	aclu lmao ok

01-17-2006, 01:11 PM	#7
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	As long as it's ONLY used to prosecute terrorists I can understand the reason behind the spy program... but it has likely been abused just as the patriot act has.

01-17-2006, 03:06 PM	#10
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	Sometimes the ACLU does the right thing.

01-17-2006, 05:44 PM	#15
spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	My question is that Bush keeps touting that he has all these war powers to fight the war on terror. OK when do we know the war is over? There has always been terrorists somewhere and always will be. So it looks to me like we are giving the executive branch unlimited powers forever. Does that mean he has war powers until he leaves office, or does he take them with him when he leaves?

01-17-2006, 09:41 PM	#18
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Here's the deal on what's really going on. You tech-heads should know by now. We're at an age in technological advances that exceed the imaginations of the best sci-fi writers. Nano technology, energy, textiles, medical. Every day it's like a new marvel emerges and that right there is the rub. At any given moment some brainiac could emerge and muster up a new super weapon or super idea that could change the way we do business. The industrialists have to stop that and control it. Americans are inventors. Our history shows more inventions than you can shake a stick at. Same with Austria and Germany back in the early 1900s. Even Einstein worked in the patent or copyright offices of Austria then. Bottom line, steal the ideas and kill the dreamers before someone catches on. Can't have another Bill Gates popping up. Only justification for that kind of theft? You got it: War. Same thing Hitler did. Started a war and ripped Europe off. The inventions he stole ended up in American, Soviet and British hands. Any one of you on this board is sharp enough to come up with the better mousetrap. Could change political balance. It's the 1930's all over again.

01-17-2006, 11:16 PM	#27
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	The ACLU is out in left field. I won't be renewing my membership. It's strange how the Looney Left goes after Bush when they imagine he breaks the law to protect the country, but these same lefties are strangely silent when liberals like Bill Clinton who blatantly break the law for personal gain. They also conveniently forget how Clinton did similar spying, and even, how Clinton was super aggressive in assertions of executive priviledge. Clinton sought expanded executive power to cover up and break the law, whereas Bush merely wants to protect our country. It's sad. __________________ Boner Money

01-17-2006, 11:30 PM	#28
websiex Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, United States of America Posts: 987	The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. - Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution 1) Bush violated the rights of the people by spying on US citizens. 2) Bush didn't use Warrants, which are specifically required to conduct a search on a US citizen according to the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution. 3) Bush hasn't proven probable cause for any search thus far; probable cause is required for a warrant. 4) Bush hasn't described the place to be searched to any US court, secret or public; therefore, violating the United States Constitution, the Fourth Amendment in specific. There are the facts presented, you decide.