So how the fuck can they " spread " democracy????

Shouldn't they spread " republicacy " ?????

Oh boy! Yea... that's real useful and economic to fingerprint all children in the expectation this may come in useful if they were kidnapped :winkwink: That's almost as bad as hiding under school desks in the event of a nuclear attack.

There have been plenty plans to record the population and are, to varying degrees. And.. hell, it helps with cashflow forecasts at the IRS when they know, bang - we got another $X 1000 coming on over the lifespan of this set of fingerprints. Damn Sarah.. you messed up the calcs :)

PostWHore.. lmao
"third of all none said communism is evil except usa propaganda"
Are you kidding? If you are serious, you are a serious moron.

yes and Sadam is bad mmmkay

You don?t need an ssn or a birth cert. We have been around, organized, long before we had useless papers. Even then, if you look at them as what they are, they are GOV forms of ID, which only have to be used when dealing with or within the GOV. IE: You really don?t need to give your SSN to get a bank account, some forms of credit, (a natural person)

This still has nothing to do with keeping track of a robber/criminal though. Even if we had no standard form of id, if a person has committed a crime he is going to have prints. And even in todays standard, if he hasn?t done a crime, then they wouldn?t have prints, or be able to track whom it was, even with current forms of ID.

What sucks is they are taking prints for all kinds of crap these days, passports, drivers? licenses, and so on. For what? A ?possible? crime? I don?t plan on doing a crime and the statistical chances of it happening to me is super rare. So why do they need to keep track of me? And why with prints?

Correct! :winkwink:

The less paperwork and crap left around would kill this relatively new offense known as "ID theft".

I've never ever given stuff like an SSN or any "ID" papers to banks - tho with the exception of opening accounts in other countries where that's more for my protection than the bank's biz.

Most folks know who they are, where they stay, what bank accounts they have... least I hope so :winkwink:

Nope. You got me completley wrong.

The Communisim that was evident in Soviet Russian was more than just Wealth Distribution. But it wasn't complete control of all people.

But the Communism that Karl Marx described mainly did deal with a system of redistributing wealth in the end.

Depends on where you live. They have Double Tax Treaties/Agreements with a bunch of countries.

And this thread is fucking retarded. If you don't like the rules a country has, stay the fuck out of it. If you mind getting fingerprinted, you probably have something to hide and should be fingerprinted. It takes about a minute to fingerprint a person and then this insures that you live in a safer country. Makes sense to me. I'd rather have them make more laws like that than do stupid like 2257.

:winkwink:

O RLY???
why is that are you hiding something? or maybe you you dont want to cause you have something to hide? in this case they should inforce the law even harder

from your arguments

everyone who does not want to do fingerprints is a criminal
then
everyone who disagree with legislations about 2257 is a pedo

makes sense to me

by enforcing 2257 the government is making a safer country, so everyone should jus stfu or go to another country

Citizenship does not guarantee a person would follow the laws of a particular area.

Citizenship does not guarantee you can keep track a person.

And if as the U.N. claims, "citizenship is a right."
Then it follows suit that if it is a "right" than it can NOT be an imposition.

If you force citizenship on a person that does NOT want it...
It becomes ownership.

And for the fact that the Canadian goverment has made it clear that for a sum of $x.xx dollars, the issue will disappear and they will acknowledge his renouncement.

It is in fact having to purchase his way out of slavery.

Now personally I don't care if I'm a citizen or not. I go where I want to go and do what I want. And if Canada has a problem with that, they can go to hell.

It kind of makes it impossible to run a functioning society when you don't keep track of things like weither or not they have children, and what country they live in.

You can argue it all day long. They didn't invent these things for your discomfort.

As for the criminal aspect of it - it makes it difficult to find suspects when there isn't even records of them existing.

I don't know what you're thinking but a government that doesn't keep track of it citizens is borderline anarchy.

If you living in a society structured by government then you're a citizen.

I don't see how you expect to live within the system and not be a part of it.

Thats not how it works - like they say

You can't have your cake and eat it too

Imagine living in a place where nobody was accounted for.

I will say it once again for all you moronic porno pushers. If you are unsatisfied with the way this country is run(liberal), get the hell out, nobody wants you here..

Just out of curiosity...
How does having citizenship equal "accounted for"

Is it a special "Number" you get?

In the sense that they know what fucking country you belong to.

Listen..

I don't like tax laws.. doesn't mean I can say fuck it and not pay taxes.

Where I live I'm required to pay taxes and there is a reason for that.

Where I live I must be a registered citizen and there is a good reason for that.

I suppose if you really felt oppressed about it you can move to some jungle where they don't give a fuck

Yeah!! lol sneaky fucks.. the cops came around for a "police day" at a similar age here and we all got to have a "go" of the ink like it was a game by giving finger prints and filling out the form etc.. fucking sneaky way to get them before you're old enough to realise the full ramifications.

yeah - noone except almost half the population - so there!

Wow eat many retard sandwiches today? You have to do more than just get fingerprints. To become a "citizen" you have to take classes and pass tests. Permanent residency is less though. My wife is a permanent resident. How is making sure you are who you say you are undemocratic? This is possibly the dumbest thing Ive read in the last few months.

Why would a commie be on an adult board where the goal is making money? :uhoh

Is that the departure tax they want you to pay?

Oh and you are right. You are not free. Never were. If you were free then you should be able to renounce your citizenship without a problem.

Noooo it's not a departure tax.

The legal-eze is about 35 pages long regarding "the imbursement."
(And they use the word Imbursement.)

It's not a tax
It's not payment to the goverment for letting you go.
It's not money to secure your future as a "Non-Citizen"
It's not about a dozen other things.

But it is absurdly high and only millionaires can afford it.
The truth is if he pays it, they will acknowledge his renounciation.

The only good news is the attorney said it is a negotiable figure.

Now I personaly think the fight for this is kind of stupid. Especially given how much he will be required to pay.

The ONLY benefit is as a stateless person he can travel to any country and NOT be deported back to Canada.

But in my hubby's defense...

You are the same people that scream out things like,

"If you do NOT like it! Then Leave!"

Well that's exactly what he did. And now everyone is saying to him... "Hey you're a Canadian! Get the fuck back here!"

In hindsight,
Getting jumped out of a gang is easier.
********
Oh and he pays his taxes.
Obeys the law.
Employs people in France.
etc.
And he is NOT a citizen of France.

maybe not the US as a whole but those in power.

DUH?? What are you rambling off on?

I know GFY may not be the university of the planet, but can you lift the level of your comments to above that of a kindergarten?

I live in a society structured by a government and I'm sure not a citizen. Also, I may be part of this society in the social sense, but I sure ain't in any "system".

What's that dialog about "how it works" and who is "they" that are saying??
Dunno about the cake, what kind is it?? :1orglaugh

You sure got the world worked out eh? :winkwink:

Is that even legal? I've never heard of this. On what grounds do they ask for this money? Do they refer to a law at all?

That sounds damned weird leggs. Canada is .. or was... very similar to places like the UK in that respect and there is nothing like that there.

Excuse if I missed a bit along the line but is there any problem simply having dual nationality?

If I lived in canada, I'd never come back here. Free healthcare for everyone. That is the best gift a government can give its people.

The become a citizen of France. That is a option.

Could not agree more AC :thumbsup Apart from food and shelter, healthcare is prob the next basic element for any civilized society.

OK.. folks paying for it may complain and there may be wastage and abuse of funds - but it's still a basic element.

So your not a citizen of any country?

If you pay taxes then you are in a government system.

If you're not familiar with the cake analogy I'm sorry.

:sleep

Sheesh... Yes, I am living in a structured society and no, I don't pay taxes either now that you ask.

And no, I'm not familiar with the supposed cake analogy you mentioned.

He doesn't want to. Why should he have to?

Kenny, have you not read any philosophy? Anything about freedom, etc.?

You don't pay taxes I have no idea how you managed that BUT you are in a small minority there

Never heard of the cake analogy?

http://www.google.com/search?num=100...and+eat+it+too

Again you are in the minority

I don't want to pay taxes

And I don't like to obey some of the laws either

He pays taxes and obeys the laws. He doesn't want to be a citizen there. Did you miss that part?

Oh shit. That's the problem with folks who think they have a clue on how the rest of the world works and try to tell everyone about "structured societies, "how it is" and a dialog about cakes. :1orglaugh

On taxes... it's called being organized and not exactly a secret or illegal in any sense. A simple clue.. there is such a thing as geo-based taxation systems. They are not exactly uncommon.

You think some folks just don't get the point sometimes Manga? :winkwink:

oh - I know EXACTLY how you feel

While the USA getting an NHS would make me think of moving back it is important to point out that NHS systems are not free. It is free at the point of delivery which is a wonderful thing but you do pay for it throught taxes. So, it is not a gift.

Wealthy... cos I don't pay taxes? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dream on!!