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Ace-Ace · 01-11-2006, 07:29 PM

Hey,

I'm mostly involved in mainstream sites and recently came across the whole "AutoSurf" industry. I have done quite a bit of reading & wanted to post my thoughts & get some feedback from everybody.

For those of you actually interested in trying it out, here's the top program (so people say), with my referral link: 12 Daily Pro

Basically, it sounds like these companies generate revenue a few ways:
1) Income from new members (their "upgrades")
2) Dormant income from members who do not surf the necessary amount (9 days, 12 sites per day is the break even point...so anybody who surfs less loses money)
3) Advertisers paying for people to view their sites while "autosurfing" (certainly very very cheap)

It sounds like in order for an autosurf program to keep going, it needs to keep a constant growth rate (money being invested by new members joining) & also maintain a certain failure rate (those whom invest $ and do nothing or those whom invest $ and don't surf the necessary amount to produce profits).

Obviously this is a very high risk venture...but I think money can be made from a surfer's point of view. Then again...at any time, the company could fold & you've lost all money you currently have in the program.

Anybody else have any input on these types of programs? I'm curious to see what others have found and/or what they think.

Take Care,
Kevin

Ace-Ace · 01-11-2006, 11:47 PM

P.S. I'm not spamming this program...I'm just curious to know if anybody has dealt with them at all. It's an all new thing to me...never seen this type of thing before.

The Demon · 01-11-2006, 11:49 PM

Yea they're good, ive been using them for 3 months, they won't last much longer though so if you want to invest, do it quickly.

Ace-Ace · 01-11-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Yea they're good, ive been using them for 3 months, they won't last much longer though so if you want to invest, do it quickly.

Why don't you think they'll last much longer? What market trends send a company like this under? I don't fully understand their revenue streams and/or reason(s) they might go down.

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 01:40 PM

*bump* Still no active discussion about this industry...and I'm still a bit lost.

Theo · 01-12-2006, 02:10 PM

Basically, it sounds like these companies generate revenue a few ways:
1) Income from new members (their "upgrades")
2) Dormant income from members who do not surf the necessary amount (9 days, 12 sites per day is the break even point...so anybody who surfs less loses money)
3) Advertisers paying for people to view their sites while "autosurfing" (certainly very very cheap)

1) true
2) minimal earnings
3) minimal erarnings

it's a pyramid with a camouflage

btw,click my signature to upgrade to better webmaster

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 02:20 PM

I know as a customer, you can deposit $6000 & get 144% returns after 12 days (assuming you surf 12 pages x 12 days). This would result in a return of $8640. Clearly...if everybody did this, the company would go bankrupt.

I'd imagine all their earnings are basically from those who put $6 in (or whatever amount) & never do a damn thing. It looks like they also generate quite a bit of revenue from an autosurf circle jerk - they all participate in each other's programs & just pass money around.

I just don't see how a company like that has been in business so long (mid May of 2005 it looks like) nor how they grew so damn fast: Alexa Ranking.

rowan · 01-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace-Ace

I just don't see how a company like that has been in business so long (mid May of 2005 it looks like) nor how they grew so damn fast: Alexa Ranking.

Assuming that most of their income is from a ponzi type scheme, it's pure hype that keeps them going. Who else to better promote them than members who have genuinely made thousands of dollars?

One day the revenue from signups/upgrades will be insufficient to pay out existing members and it will all fall flat... but anyone who knows about ponzi will already know that will happen...

lazycash · 01-12-2006, 02:47 PM

These pop up all the time, last a few weeks and then suddenly disappear when the new money from the front end is unable to pay the back end. They just disguise the ponzi scheme with some sort of action or product. If you get in early you can do well, but at this point I wouldn't touch the program.

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Assuming that most of their income is from a ponzi type scheme, it's pure hype that keeps them going. Who else to better promote them than members who have genuinely made thousands of dollars?

One day the revenue from signups/upgrades will be insufficient to pay out existing members and it will all fall flat... but anyone who knows about ponzi will already know that will happen...

*nods* That's pretty much what I thought.

The Demon · 01-12-2006, 03:25 PM

What soul rebel said, that's how they generate their income. Sooner or later they'll just have everyone referring other people to make a quick buck off of commission, and very few people actually upgrading, and that's when it'll go under.. I give it another month tops..

$5 submissions · 01-12-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

What soul rebel said, that's how they generate their income. Sooner or later they'll just have everyone referring other people to make a quick buck off of commission, and very few people actually upgrading, and that's when it'll go under.. I give it another month tops..

Good prediction. These types of mainstream biz models don't usually pan out.

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Demon

What soul rebel said, that's how they generate their income. Sooner or later they'll just have everyone referring other people to make a quick buck off of commission, and very few people actually upgrading, and that's when it'll go under.. I give it another month tops..

Another month after 9 successful months eh? I'm not doubting you...I'm surprised they've been around this long with such great success.

woj · 01-12-2006, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Assuming that most of their income is from a ponzi type scheme, it's pure hype that keeps them going. Who else to better promote them than members who have genuinely made thousands of dollars?

One day the revenue from signups/upgrades will be insufficient to pay out existing members and it will all fall flat... but anyone who knows about ponzi will already know that will happen...

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 06:39 PM

Sounds like if you can analyze market trends & the typical life span of one of these sites...and identify what stage they're in, you can learn when to get in and when to get out. Could possibly be some $ involved in these. Obviously, as they're called HYIP (high yield investment program), they're also very high risk - you pick one that's about to go under & there goes your money.

The Demon · 01-12-2006, 06:44 PM

I have a lot of $$$ invested in a few HYIPs and have been burned by most of them. It's about understanding what is a logical % of profit, and then going with the sponsors that offer that. Ratings don't hurt either...

Ace-Ace · 01-12-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I have a lot of $$$ invested in a few HYIPs and have been burned by most of them. It's about understanding what is a logical % of profit, and then going with the sponsors that offer that. Ratings don't hurt either...

Yeah...I wouldn't think 12% interest per day for 12 days would fall under the "logical % of profit" group...but they've somehow been around for 9+ months with that business model. *shrug*

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 09:04 AM

It looks like this is basically just a well-crafted Ponzi scheme (http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/) with additional revenues (not actually revenues, just less paid out due to surfing obligations not being met). I'd imagine that if you could analyze the trends & get into these early (and have them last a while), you could generate decent revenue. However, as the sites indicate...it is a certainly a high risk venture since you can lose all of your money at any time.

MacDaddyPlaya · 01-18-2006, 09:23 AM

They have been around for a while and I have gotten money in and out of the program. Many people I know have made good money of this program as well. If you have some discretionary income you want to place in a high risk/high return investment, this is defintiely for you.

IMHO, I think this program is still pretty hot, growing and there is an opportunity to make money. There is defintiely a Ponzi aspect to this site, however they do have additional revenue streams as mentioned. They also rely on people re-upping their membership. They have up to 7 buisiness days to pay you out. They depend on you re-buying your membership while you await on pay out. This is another way they keep the funds coming in the front.

It really doesn't take that long to get past the break even point and after that it is all gravy so you take what you can get and ride it until it goes bad.

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 10:11 AM

*nods* You see things the same way I do. I put in $120 to see how it does. I plan on taking out 25% after each period (12 days) and compounding the other 75%...so effectively I'm gaining 133% interest (not 144%) - but if they go under...I should be above where I started.

pornpf69 · 01-18-2006, 10:18 AM

I dont get the point on that kind of program....

it simply is another piramyd scheme....

Matt 26z · 01-18-2006, 10:29 AM

Exactly how long has this program been going for? Seems like All Advantage on steroids. People are obviously making money, but it's not safe long term income.

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Exactly how long has this program been going for? Seems like All Advantage on steroids. People are obviously making money, but it's not safe long term income.

It's been around since May of 05.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...ilypro.com#top

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornpf69

I dont get the point on that kind of program....

it simply is another piramyd scheme....

Yes - it's a well organized Ponzi scheme. It's not just the basic "pyramid" scheme...they have other methods to generate revenue (and also methods to not pay out certain people if they don't meet certain obligations).

rowan · 01-18-2006, 10:47 AM

Pyramid schemes are different because you need to recruit people under you. Ponzi schemes fund returns from ANY new memberships.

I've bought into 12daily as well, just $102 for now. It's still the hot program of the moment and Alexa suggests it's going strong (hype, hype, HYPE!). If the graph ever starts dipping substantially then it's time to walk away.

BTW one easy way to see that surfing has absolutely nothing to do with earning money on autosurf sites is that the surfing requirement is the same regardless of whether you buy 1 or 100 units. It's a bit of extra income for them - imagine 100k members consistently surfing 12 sites a day and selling that traffic at $2/k - but compared to their upgrades and payouts it's probably small fry.

rowan · 01-18-2006, 10:56 AM

Actually I'm wrong, surfing DOES have something to do with earning the money... plenty of people probably miss a day occasionally, which means more money in the pool.

12DP doesn't seem to have an itemised history so I can't be 100% sure that I've surfed every day.

Here's the Alexa (rank) graph for 12DP. It's up to #360

rowan · 01-18-2006, 11:01 AM

Sorry, here's the link.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...12dailypro.com

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Actually I'm wrong, surfing DOES have something to do with earning the money... plenty of people probably miss a day occasionally, which means more money in the pool.

12DP doesn't seem to have an itemised history so I can't be 100% sure that I've surfed every day.

Here's the Alexa (rank) graph for 12DP. It's up to #360

They do have itemized history - go to "View Account Summary" & look to the bottom. Regardless...surfing certainly does have something to do with it - a fair share of people won't surf 12 pages x 12 days (human nature to be lazy). Those lack of layouts to the lazy people go to payout those who do surf 12 pages x 12 days.

rowan · 01-18-2006, 11:11 AM

If the autosurf progs didn't swap sites automatically then I think the traffic would be of a much better quality. Sometimes the 20 second countdown is into the 10's or 5's by the time the site has rendered enough to start reading. I've missed a few interesting looking ones because the next one loaded before I could stop the timer.

Would be far better if you had to click a link once the timer reached zero, that way there's also a much better chance that a human is actually sitting at the browser... how many people start the surfbar and walk away?

sumphatpimp · 01-18-2006, 11:13 AM

ever buy traffic?
well, that is just one of the less than honorable ways to generate that traffic.

rowan · 01-18-2006, 11:22 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if 12DP has made a deal with stormpay (above the normal affiliate referral system). Since most of the funds probably never leave the 12DP account (for REAL investing) stormpay is getting a free 3-6% each time the funds go from a member to 12DP then back to the member. Not bad for a microsecond computer transaction where the funds are not leaving stormpay.

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

If the autosurf progs didn't swap sites automatically then I think the traffic would be of a much better quality. Sometimes the 20 second countdown is into the 10's or 5's by the time the site has rendered enough to start reading. I've missed a few interesting looking ones because the next one loaded before I could stop the timer.

Would be far better if you had to click a link once the timer reached zero, that way there's also a much better chance that a human is actually sitting at the browser... how many people start the surfbar and walk away?

Yeah, they could definitely make their advertising more valuable - that's for sure.

Ace-Ace · 01-18-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

I wouldn't be surprised if 12DP has made a deal with stormpay (above the normal affiliate referral system). Since most of the funds probably never leave the 12DP account (for REAL investing) stormpay is getting a free 3-6% each time the funds go from a member to 12DP then back to the member. Not bad for a microsecond computer transaction where the funds are not leaving stormpay.

I'm quite confident they've done just that. 12DP is making Stormpay a killing. 12DP now allows funding via emocorp.com as well. 12DP announced that there were 10,000 new emocorp members from them the first night they offered it.

01-11-2006, 07:29 PM	#1
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	AutoSurf Programs - Scams? $ to be made? Hey, I'm mostly involved in mainstream sites and recently came across the whole "AutoSurf" industry. I have done quite a bit of reading & wanted to post my thoughts & get some feedback from everybody. For those of you actually interested in trying it out, here's the top program (so people say), with my referral link: 12 Daily Pro Basically, it sounds like these companies generate revenue a few ways: 1) Income from new members (their "upgrades") 2) Dormant income from members who do not surf the necessary amount (9 days, 12 sites per day is the break even point...so anybody who surfs less loses money) 3) Advertisers paying for people to view their sites while "autosurfing" (certainly very very cheap) It sounds like in order for an autosurf program to keep going, it needs to keep a constant growth rate (money being invested by new members joining) & also maintain a certain failure rate (those whom invest $ and do nothing or those whom invest $ and don't surf the necessary amount to produce profits). Obviously this is a very high risk venture...but I think money can be made from a surfer's point of view. Then again...at any time, the company could fold & you've lost all money you currently have in the program. Anybody else have any input on these types of programs? I'm curious to see what others have found and/or what they think. Take Care, Kevin __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-11-2006, 11:47 PM	#2
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	P.S. I'm not spamming this program...I'm just curious to know if anybody has dealt with them at all. It's an all new thing to me...never seen this type of thing before. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-12-2006, 01:40 PM	#5
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	bump Still no active discussion about this industry...and I'm still a bit lost. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-12-2006, 02:20 PM	#7
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	I know as a customer, you can deposit $6000 & get 144% returns after 12 days (assuming you surf 12 pages x 12 days). This would result in a return of $8640. Clearly...if everybody did this, the company would go bankrupt. I'd imagine all their earnings are basically from those who put $6 in (or whatever amount) & never do a damn thing. It looks like they also generate quite a bit of revenue from an autosurf circle jerk - they all participate in each other's programs & just pass money around. I just don't see how a company like that has been in business so long (mid May of 2005 it looks like) nor how they grew so damn fast: Alexa Ranking. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-12-2006, 06:39 PM	#15
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	Sounds like if you can analyze market trends & the typical life span of one of these sites...and identify what stage they're in, you can learn when to get in and when to get out. Could possibly be some $ involved in these. Obviously, as they're called HYIP (high yield investment program), they're also very high risk - you pick one that's about to go under & there goes your money. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-11-2006, 11:49 PM	#3
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	Yea they're good, ive been using them for 3 months, they won't last much longer though so if you want to invest, do it quickly.

01-12-2006, 02:10 PM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Basically, it sounds like these companies generate revenue a few ways: 1) Income from new members (their "upgrades") 2) Dormant income from members who do not surf the necessary amount (9 days, 12 sites per day is the break even point...so anybody who surfs less loses money) 3) Advertisers paying for people to view their sites while "autosurfing" (certainly very very cheap) 1) true 2) minimal earnings 3) minimal erarnings it's a pyramid with a camouflage btw,click my signature to upgrade to better webmaster

01-12-2006, 02:47 PM	#9
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	These pop up all the time, last a few weeks and then suddenly disappear when the new money from the front end is unable to pay the back end. They just disguise the ponzi scheme with some sort of action or product. If you get in early you can do well, but at this point I wouldn't touch the program.

01-12-2006, 03:25 PM	#11
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	What soul rebel said, that's how they generate their income. Sooner or later they'll just have everyone referring other people to make a quick buck off of commission, and very few people actually upgrading, and that's when it'll go under.. I give it another month tops..

01-12-2006, 06:44 PM	#16
The Demon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,336	I have a lot of $$$ invested in a few HYIPs and have been burned by most of them. It's about understanding what is a logical % of profit, and then going with the sponsors that offer that. Ratings don't hurt either...

01-18-2006, 09:04 AM	#18
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	It looks like this is basically just a well-crafted Ponzi scheme (http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/ponzi/) with additional revenues (not actually revenues, just less paid out due to surfing obligations not being met). I'd imagine that if you could analyze the trends & get into these early (and have them last a while), you could generate decent revenue. However, as the sites indicate...it is a certainly a high risk venture since you can lose all of your money at any time. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-18-2006, 09:23 AM	#19
MacDaddyPlaya Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Just north of Cuba Posts: 1,785	They have been around for a while and I have gotten money in and out of the program. Many people I know have made good money of this program as well. If you have some discretionary income you want to place in a high risk/high return investment, this is defintiely for you. IMHO, I think this program is still pretty hot, growing and there is an opportunity to make money. There is defintiely a Ponzi aspect to this site, however they do have additional revenue streams as mentioned. They also rely on people re-upping their membership. They have up to 7 buisiness days to pay you out. They depend on you re-buying your membership while you await on pay out. This is another way they keep the funds coming in the front. It really doesn't take that long to get past the break even point and after that it is all gravy so you take what you can get and ride it until it goes bad. __________________ Sigless

01-18-2006, 10:11 AM	#20
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	nods You see things the same way I do. I put in $120 to see how it does. I plan on taking out 25% after each period (12 days) and compounding the other 75%...so effectively I'm gaining 133% interest (not 144%) - but if they go under...I should be above where I started. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

01-18-2006, 10:18 AM	#21
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01-18-2006, 10:29 AM	#22
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Exactly how long has this program been going for? Seems like All Advantage on steroids. People are obviously making money, but it's not safe long term income.

01-18-2006, 10:47 AM	#25
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Pyramid schemes are different because you need to recruit people under you. Ponzi schemes fund returns from ANY new memberships. I've bought into 12daily as well, just $102 for now. It's still the hot program of the moment and Alexa suggests it's going strong (hype, hype, HYPE!). If the graph ever starts dipping substantially then it's time to walk away. BTW one easy way to see that surfing has absolutely nothing to do with earning money on autosurf sites is that the surfing requirement is the same regardless of whether you buy 1 or 100 units. It's a bit of extra income for them - imagine 100k members consistently surfing 12 sites a day and selling that traffic at $2/k - but compared to their upgrades and payouts it's probably small fry.

01-18-2006, 10:56 AM	#26
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Actually I'm wrong, surfing DOES have something to do with earning the money... plenty of people probably miss a day occasionally, which means more money in the pool. 12DP doesn't seem to have an itemised history so I can't be 100% sure that I've surfed every day. Here's the Alexa (rank) graph for 12DP. It's up to #360

01-18-2006, 11:01 AM	#27
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Sorry, here's the link. http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...12dailypro.com

01-18-2006, 11:11 AM	#29
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	If the autosurf progs didn't swap sites automatically then I think the traffic would be of a much better quality. Sometimes the 20 second countdown is into the 10's or 5's by the time the site has rendered enough to start reading. I've missed a few interesting looking ones because the next one loaded before I could stop the timer. Would be far better if you had to click a link once the timer reached zero, that way there's also a much better chance that a human is actually sitting at the browser... how many people start the surfbar and walk away?

01-18-2006, 11:13 AM	#30
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	ever buy traffic? well, that is just one of the less than honorable ways to generate that traffic.

01-18-2006, 11:22 AM	#31
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	I wouldn't be surprised if 12DP has made a deal with stormpay (above the normal affiliate referral system). Since most of the funds probably never leave the 12DP account (for REAL investing) stormpay is getting a free 3-6% each time the funds go from a member to 12DP then back to the member. Not bad for a microsecond computer transaction where the funds are not leaving stormpay. Last edited by rowan; 01-18-2006 at 11:24 AM..