DigitalPimpShit

What do you think is the actual percent of net surfers who view at 800x600? Do you think its worth my while to make a 800x600 friendly site and 1024x768 version? My site looks much better in the larger format? I don't wanna just write a 800x600 version cause it doesn't look as good, but I also don't wanna piss off any of the pixel-challenged surfers.

FlyingIguana

i would make it look nice in 800x600. still a lot of ppl who run older pc's that have smaller monitors.

payrollpete

this lcd forces me to view shit in like 1200 by 786

fuck i hate it

volante

Some visitor stats from a couple of my sites:

Screen resolution:

640x480 - 3.03%
800x600 - 44.63%
1024x768 - 39.65%
1152x864 - 4.22%
1280x1024 - 5.48%
1600x1200 - 1.15%
Other - 1.8%

Screen colors:
8bit - 2.57%
16bit - 47.87%
24bit - 9.76%
32bit - 39.49%
Other - 0.28%

Hope this helps!

DigitalPimpShit

Thanks volante, maybe I should put some banners for Pricewatch.com or something on my site...lol

FlyingIguana

ya lol, tell em if they upgrade their pc, they can dl porn faster

MetaformX

volante's stats seem very close to my stats as well
40% 800x600
more then worth the effort to make it viewble at that resoulution

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DigitalPimpShit

I did some re-aranging and i got it with the same effect, but at a smaller resolution...THanks for everyones help

Muff

I have a little different. maybe your guys is based on more traffic who knows.

Resolution Visitors %



1. 800 x 600 pixels 3,122,389 53.99

2. 1024 x 768 pixels 1,846,810 31.94

3. 640 x 480 pixels 366,499 6.34

4. Other Resolutions 136,644 2.36

5. 1280 x 1024 pixels 132,186 2.29

6. 1152 x 864 pixels 131,137 2.27

7. 800 x 553 pixels 18,633 0.32

8. 1600 x 1200 pixels 17,865 0.31

9. 1024 x 721 pixels 8,085 0.14

10. 640 x 433 pixels 2,572 0.04

Total 5,782,820 5,782,820 100.00%

chodadog

My stats have always been around 50 percent 1024x768, and 25 percent 800x600.

normally, i design sites optimised for 1024x768, but still look good in 800x600... it's especially easy to do in php. You can use if statements and shit to vary the layout slightly depending on the resolution and shit..

The TGP i'm working on (yes i know, not another fucking tgp) is optimised for 800x600.

Pornwolf

Visitors %

1 800x600 pixels 44.5
2 1024x768 pixels 39.9
3 1280x1024 pixels 5.5
4 1152x864 pixels 3.8
5 640x480 pixels 3.1
6 1600x1200 pixels 1.0
7 1152x870 pixels 0.5
8 960x720 pixels 0.5
9 1280x768 pixels 0.5
10 1400x1050 pixels 0.2
11 768x576 pixels 0.2
12 560x420 pixels 0.2

marty

good info...

what's the browser breakup for you guys?

chodadog

IE completely owns my browser stats.

93 Percent

I noticed Opera is makign quite a rise though! I have just as many visitors using opera as i do using netscape. About 2.8 Percent each. The rest is filled by "Other"

By the way, all you fuckers should download opera:
http://www.opera.com

chances are, if your site works properly in both IE and Opera, you won't ever have a problem with cross browser interpretations. plus, it's just so much more sexy than IE ;)

I use it all the time now.

Pornwolf

Opera is a great browser.

Unfortunately...

1 MSIE 6.0 36.2
2 MSIE 5.5 28.8
3 MSIE 5.0 21.0
4 MSIE 5.1 7.2
5 MSIE 4.1 3.1
6 Netscape 5.0 3.1
7 MSIE 5.13 0.3
8 MSIE 4.0 0.3

LoveAsianChicks

800x600 - is the most common setting based on my stats as well.
At least 50%

spacedog

Hmm.. If I am on 800X600 myself.. how can I get an accurate depiction of how my site looks at the next higher rez??

I can change the setting & view at 1024X768 , but damn, that shit is like staring at a strobe & the shit hurts my eyes & gives me a headache.....


so.. when I do a page, it's optimized for 800X600.. so, theoretically, what do the 1024x768 & higher resolutions see? Just a smaller site/page ?

Juge

Make a home page that has code in it that forces the size to 800x600 - that way you can always view pages at 800x600 if you want to. Even if you work at 1024x768, and just drag another page into the 800x600 window to view it quickly.

here's the code:

self.moveTo(0,0);
self.resizeTo(800,600);

put that in javascript tags. you dont really need the moveto() function call, so you can remove that if you want.

BTW, 50% of all surfers surf at 800x600 - it is well worth it to make your screen viewable by that resolution. And if you consider that the 'stupid' surfers are more likely to make you $$, then realize that the 'stupid' surfers are more likely to be surfing in a lower resolution.

Pornwolf

LOL! What better explanation would anyone need for designing for 800 x 600!

Ludedude

Actually, what's interesting is that a year ago, my stats showed closer to 60% 800x600, so it's definitely moving along to 1024x768.

WTF...is it those BIG ASS 15 inch monitors that they're finally surfing on??

Ah well, it's still too soon to design for 1024x768 but what a pain in the ass since my monitors run at 1280x1024

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LoveAsianChicks

why is it 80% of the surfers are using a dialup modem when high speed has been out for years, but half these guys own HUGE 17" or larger brandnew monitors?

Mine is 17" and I use 800x600.
Stats show, most surfers are using 800x600 setting. It would be stupid if you ignore the most popular resolution setting. Just because you got yourself some 21" monitor and like the higher resolution.

ToolGuy

You can also make different versions of your site and use some code to redirect your visitor based on their resolution. Works pretty good on smaller sites....frames can be a pain though.
Check out http://www.echoecho.com/toolscreenre...onredirect.htm for the code and if you want to see what your site looks like at different resolutions go to http://www.echoecho.com/toolresizer.htm and enter the url.

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bunky

1. 800x600 1487 69.47%
2. 1024x768 1124 17.69%
3. 640x480 173 10.41%
4. 1152x864 16 0.86%
5. 1280x1024 12 0.43%


Browser Specifics
1. MS Internet Explorer 5.5 1294 41.94%
2. MS Internet Explorer 6.0 1210 29.96%
3. MS Internet Explorer 5.0 1150 21.40%
4. MS Internet Explorer 5.01 125 3.57%
5. MS Internet Explorer 4.01 116 2.28%



hope it helps

bunky

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bunky

i use 800*600 and i have a 21" monitor..


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Corona

I build my pages at 440 pixel width.

I don't want to lose out on those Web TV surfers.

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Juge

I once saw a site in 1024x768 that had most of its banners off of the right side of the screen. I asked the guy about it, and he said he designs in 1600x1200! I told him he could at least put the money making crap, and link trades on the left side so people can click them. I wonder how much $$ he's making?

kmanrox

mine are somewhat in line with these as well

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boneprone

The monitor trend is reverting back now.
The 21 inch moitor is going out of style fast.

All the new expensive monitors are going LCD, small is in, big bulky monitors are no doubt out.

15, and 17 inch with 800x600 arent going to evolve to what many of you 21 inch monitor people think. IN fact the trend is reverting back to 800x600 as the LCD trend takes over.

I fucking put my 21 inch bulk of space and shit in the oven and tossed it out to get me the LCD Flatscreen prototype monitor.

And 800x600 is the best suited for it.

Most of these lcds are 15 inch now, and fucking expensive.
The trend is going towards smaller monitors now not big.
Everyone wants to save deskspace and look trendy.

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chodadog

Spacedog, it depends how you make your site. If you do your layout with percentages, your site will probably fit the higher resolution fairly well, some things might look a little odd though. Fixed pixel sizes will gaurentee a uniform look over all resolutions.

Whoever said 440 pixels.. jesus.. what percentage of your visitors are using web TV?
I wouldn't bother unless it was a fairly substantial amount.

And boneprone, i hear you about people wanting to look trendy. And i'm sure that's a big part of the smaller monitor thing. But the main reason is quite simply that there aren't that many large LCD screens on offer. And the ones that are on offer, are ridiculously expensive!

bhutocracy

spacedog you need a better videocard or better monitor.. working in 800 x 600 is claustrophobic as hell.. no room to move..

boneprone, CRT monitors are still retardedly cheap compared to LCD's, even small LCD's.. as most video cards shipping with low-end systems are geforce mx's and other cheapies that are capable of higher res's all it really takes is for the user to go into their property settings..
the manufacturers just have to make 1024 x 768 as default and that will clear this whole thing up..

that said, most people can get by quite easily on 800 x 600.. when using web design programs i used to crank my 17" to 1280 x 1024 so i could fit everything on the page without scrolling.. when designing *for* 800 x 600 you should be running in a higher resolution so you can see tool pallettes and everything as well as the canvas... but that only applies to people doing design...

theres no way i'd give up my 21" for a smaller LCD.. (cept of course for the fact that a 19" LCD screen actually is 19" but a 21" CRT is 19.8" viewable or whatever, so yeah i wouldn't mind taking less radiation and going for a 19" LCD..)

volante

If anyone else is throwing out their 21" monitor, I'll have it!

Juge

I couldn't live without my 21". 19" is okay, but anything smaller is too small - you can put the res up high, but you can't read anything, and the dotpitch is crap, so you lose scanlines. i figure it you're looking at the thing 8 hours/day, why not have the best you can get? very little investment $$ for huge pay outs - the same goes for the keyboard and mouse. they are more important than getting a new 2GHz rather than a 1.5GHz.

bhutocracy

thats so right.. i'd always skimped on monitors in the past but after i got a 21" sony g520 at the office i realised the error of my ways and got one home too.. it was like a breath of fresh air.. still running at 1280 x 1024.. just 4" larger

SykkBoy

I tend to do my "webmaster oriented" pages for 800x600 but keep my surfer stuff around 640x480, mainly because of AOL surfers, even if they are at 800x600, AOL's deafult browser doesn't go full screen and most AOL people don't maximise their browsers....
in a perfect world, AOL users would all have fast connections, browseers that worked (their new one is better, but their older browsers sucked ass), AOLers wouldn't clog ther newsgroups with "me to" posts...but I don't live in a perfet world and there are 20 million of those bastards out there......

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bhutocracy

io thought AOL was like 770x 450 ?

bhutocracy

anyway when designing for 800x600 you never actually make a design 800x600.. you take 30 pixels off the width for the scroll bars and at least 130 off the height (becuase of the address bar and whatnot) and you're left with 770 x 470 which is what i generally design to.. however 470 isn't a hard and fast figure as it changes between IE and netscape (which was around 460).. and AOL which im pretty sure is 450.. so i generally design for 770 x 470 but make sure that all "join", "tour" etc buttons are above the 450 mark even if some of the design is obscured..

RIPP

These are rough figures:

<font color="aqua">0% 160x1200 - Numbers too small for stats
3% Unknown
3% 1152x864
5% 640x480
6% 1280x1024
33% 1024x768
50% 800x600</font>

<font color="orange">3% UNKOWN
42% 1024x768 and ABOVE CONFIRMED
55% BELOW 1024x768 CONFIRMED</font>

I work with a 15inch Sony @ 1280x1024 gotta love her
Sharp text, graphics and <b>NO FLICKER</b>.

You need run a monitor at 75Hz non interlaced or above to get rid of flicker or 87Hz interlaced,[like a tv].

If your monitor barely makes 75Hz non interlaced then even if you get no flicker your image will probably be slightly out of focus and crap.

Poor mans non flicker trick... [Assumes a video card with interlacing abilities,(most cheap ones or tvout ones should have it...[some more expensive ones have it on the ramdac but for some reason have disabled it's functioning])] ... Set your video Hz speed to 43Hz under windows DISPLAY PROPERTIES - Refresh Rate... This should then force/trick your monitor to run at 87Hz interlaced.

You can run 87Hz interlaced for linux also.

<font color="yellow">Working on a monitor setting of 800x600 by choice = crazy</font>

<font color="yellow">Working on a monitor setting of 800x600 because your videocard or monitor causes flicker at higher rates means, if been in the industry for a while, then you need to make a <b>LOT MORE MONEY</b> or simply spend some money and get some decent equipment</font>

Design at a high setting for users at a low setting and if in windows you can do your page checks by simply changing your monitor resolution.

[<font color="aqua">800x600 and lower under windows use SMALL FONTS, 1024x768 and above, if SENSIBLE, use LARGE FONTS</font>]

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DigitalPimpShit

I have been just putting the whole page inside a table and setting the width to 765 pixels, I found it easier then changing my resolution on my computer to 800x600, this way I can see my whole page and still have my toolbars visible.

RIPP

Using a VISIBLE BORDERED table is good for quickly working on the sites at higher desktop resolution settings, but nothing can compare for accuracy than <b>ACTUALLY</b> changing your screen resolution now and again to fully check your sites look and feel for users running at lower desktop settings.

There is a <b>BIG</b> difference between SMALL FONTS & LARGE FONTS also,(<font color="aqua">large fonts as I mentioned above are usually set by sensible installers or users when desktops are going to run at 1024 or higher,[<font color="orange">this assumes surfers are not running a 21 incher</font> ]</font>).

Later, RIPP